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by **Fo Dne** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:08 pm

I only joined in March or I only re-joined in March?

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:19 pm

Stu ,get a clue lad , you talk nonesense .

I totally disagree with you on skrtle and arbeloa

Skrtle has still to learn the english game , so forgive him the ball watching if he's not up to the speed of the league . His passing and ball control is very good and will get better. His reading of the game is good but will get better once he gets used to the prem .

Arbeloa i've said all season will make right back his own . He has pace he has passing ability ,he 's not afraid to get forward and he has heart . First game in a Liverpool shirt ,he plays left back and marks lionel messi out if the game away at Barca. That one game alone showed to me that the lads got it .

I'll stick to my guns on them two and believe that your opinion will change on both.

Skrtle and Agger will be the future centre half pairing imo.

I know you know your footy ace , but i think you will change your opinion on them two. I also like babel and think he will make a very good striker once he learns to calm down abit ,infront of goal .

Lucas is the man i'm pinning most of my hopes on , i think he has the potential to become a great player . THe lad has everything , apart from experience . He will dominate the centre of midfield for year to come imo .

Welcome back mate. It's good to see you posting again.

by **Sabre** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:48 pm

Igor, note that Stu doesn't say they're shíte, but not good enough.

I think Stu needs very proven players in certain positions. That is, he'd never sign an Agger or a Skrtel for playing regularly NOW in a top club, but a Woodgate or a Cannavaro, both of them well proven.

And in that sense he has a point. Because the owners, the crowd, the media, everybody demand us titles, and demand means no patience, and that means we don't have much time to progress with young players. Agger for instance is doing remarkably well until injured (I disagree here with Stu) but we should have signed a seasoned CB in summer. A Woodgate, or a Cannavaro. Even a Heinze.

Arbeloa is a correct-good player doing things very well in this club, he deserves all the credit he's got. Fabio Aurelio is a better player IMHO, but not performing that well.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:12 pm

Or could it simply be that Man Utd have better players than us and we have better players than the likes of Middlesbrough and Reading.

by **tubby** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:46 pm

The new system isnt working beacause put simply our team isnt good enough. Good players will make a good team. Some good players and the rest average will make a team that can sometimes play good but for the most part - play :censored:

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by **ivor_the_injun** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:43 am

That's the rub - the system's fine when the players play well. It worked for a few games, but even so there were players in there that were empty shirts for long spells. Then we come up against Man U and never really get going anywhere on the pitch, get slapped about for 40 mins, our midfield destroyer implodes, and in all fairness we end up 3-0 down when they could have had anything between 4 and 8.

For the majority of the season we've looked like a team looking for a system, and now it looks like Rafa has himself a system looking for a team.

We've had square pegs into round holes all season long, but maybe now we are getting a glimpse of the football Rafa intends us to play long term - plenty of defensive cover, but plenty of scope for attacking fast on the break.

Unfortunately, we have a few players key to the success of the formation (Torres, Gerrard, Mascherano), whose absence through injuries and suspensions would necessitate a complete overhaul of the system, and that's a searing indictment on the squad Rafa's assembled.

The reality is that a lot of our current players will be surplus to requirements if what we've seen over the last month is any indication of what's to come next season.

by **The_Rock** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:38 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:gerrard would be better off on the right hand side instead of kuyt. that would be
-----------reina
finnan-carra-agger-riise
-----xabi---mash
gerrard--benayoun--babel
--------torres

at least benayoun has the creativity and vision to create something unlike kuyt whose a pile of dung IMO. never rated him and never will. offers nothing more than being a barricade in front of crouch. if rafa isnt gonna use players like benayoun then why on earth buy them? every week i see kuyt play and its fecking depressing when i know someone else could do a much better job there.

Agreed...benayoun would deffo do a better job than kuyt....but i too will put gerrard on the right and put benayoun as the support striker.

Although i don't really rate him, he is the best we have in that role (just shows you how much sh1t players we still have at this club after 4 years of clearing deadwood) :no

I hope kuyt does a voronin and does not get anywhere near the field action.....

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:32 am

Steven Gerrard will need more time to fully adapt to being the second striker for England - but the Liverpool captain is confident he can 'make things happen' in the role behind Wayne Rooney.
Gerrard played just behind Wayne Rooney in last night's 1-0 defeat against France in Paris and looked dangerous in the first half when Fabio Capello's side dominated possession, before falling behind to a Franck Ribery penalty.

He has enjoyed success in the position in partnership with Fernando Torres at club level but concedes he is still learning what is required if he is to become fully effective.

Gerrard said: 'I've been playing that role for Liverpool. I've been enjoying it. To play with players like Torres and Rooney is always a pleasure, and I'm involved and I can get forward.

'I don't know if it's my best position. I'm a central midfielder; I've played there all my life but I do feel as if I can cause problems in there and I can adapt to the role - but I'll need more time.

'I am still learning that position. I think I've played it 10 to 15 times but I am confident I can make it happen in there.'

Gerrard believes Rooney, who has sparkled himself in the past in the second striker role, will have to adapt his game and play further forward.

He said: 'I think Wayne slightly has to adapt his game as well - because, for me to get space in there and for it to work, he has to play a lot higher and stretch the defence.

'I think that is why I and Torres are having a lot of joy, because he is so direct and plays high up.

'With two holding midfielders behind us, the team are a lot more secure when they lose the ball. Wayne will have to adapt his game - but if anyone can do it, it is him.

'I've seen him do it with Manchester United. He destroyed us at the weekend with his direct running and making it difficult for defenders. I am sure both of us can make it work.

'It is going to take time. We've had two games together, four or five training sessions - and it is a brand new set-up, not just the manager but the whole coaching side.

'It will take time for us to adapt to each other, but I think there were signs of improvement there against France.'

Gerrard can see positive indications from the two games Capello has been in charge - but has called for patience in giving time for things to gel.

He said: 'You don't want to lose a football match. But you look at the game as a whole, and there was a slight improvement on the performance against Switzerland.

'It is all about patience and getting used to what the manager wants. I think there were signs of that in Paris, certainly in the first half.

'We were happy, controlling the game. But we conceded a stupid goal - which we will have to eradicate in the future.

'The message is that everyone has to be patient. We need time to work on different formations and tactics.'

The intention is that England are ready to start the World Cup qualifying campaign as a well-organised team.

'The important thing is we peak in September,' said Gerrard. 'We all know when the important games are in the World Cup qualifiers, but it is important now to start getting it right before we go into those games.

'The manager wants us to be a lot more aggressive without the ball and pass it a lot more - and we controlled the game first half.

'Without the ball, France couldn't play. Up until the goal, which was a stupid goal to concede, we were comfortable and in charge.'

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=520391&cc=4716

by **Fo Dne** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:12 am

Igor Zidane wrote:Stu ,get a clue lad , you talk nonesense .

I totally disagree with you on skrtle and arbeloa

Skrtle has still to learn the english game , so forgive him the ball watching if he's not up to the speed of the league . His passing and ball control is very good and will get better. His reading of the game is good but will get better once he gets used to the prem .

Arbeloa i've said all season will make right back his own . He has pace he has passing ability ,he 's not afraid to get forward and he has heart . First game in a Liverpool shirt ,he plays left back and marks lionel messi out if the game away at Barca. That one game alone showed to me that the lads got it .

I'll stick to my guns on them two and believe that your opinion will change on both.

Skrtle and Agger will be the future centre half pairing imo.

I know you know your footy ace , but i think you will change your opinion on them two. I also like babel and think he will make a very good striker once he learns to calm down abit ,infront of goal .

Lucas is the man i'm pinning most of my hopes on , i think he has the potential to become a great player . THe lad has everything , apart from experience . He will dominate the centre of midfield for year to come imo .

Welcome back mate. It's good to see you posting again.

Igor, I like alot of your posts mate but when it comes to judging players we always disagree. To be honest, I'm bored of hearing the "when he does this he'll be great arguement".

With Baros it was "when he gets his head up he'll be world class".

With Sissoko it was "when he learns to pass he'll be the new Vieira".

We've had it with ever player and it will continue for all of time and nothing wiill ever change.

Now you're telling me "when Babel calms down and Skrtyl learns not to ball watch and learns to position himself and be a good defender they'll be good players". I'm telling you now, it'll never happen.

It never does, players never ever become something they aren't. They fine tune there ability, thats all. They have to be good players in the first place, these lads aren't.

Arbeloa, I'm sorry isn't upto it. He falls short on all of the top full backs ini just about every area and his lack of pace, strength positional sense and passing ability worry me immensely. He's not a footballer what so ever. He's a decent fulll back who can do a job if others are injured, nothing more.

Lucas is one i'm not yet decided on, theres potential there but it could prove to be nothing, then again he could prove to be another Fabregas which would be great news.

by **RedBlood** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:43 am

babel and skrtel arent good players?

arebola has a lack of pace and passing ability?

you really are a pleb

i think most people say IF this happens they will go on to be great players but theres nothing wrong with being positive and saying WHEN

by **Judge** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:48 am

Fo Dne wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Stu ,get a clue lad , you talk nonesense .

I totally disagree with you on skrtle and arbeloa

Skrtle has still to learn the english game , so forgive him the ball watching if he's not up to the speed of the league . His passing and ball control is very good and will get better. His reading of the game is good but will get better once he gets used to the prem .

Arbeloa i've said all season will make right back his own . He has pace he has passing ability ,he 's not afraid to get forward and he has heart . First game in a Liverpool shirt ,he plays left back and marks lionel messi out if the game away at Barca. That one game alone showed to me that the lads got it .

I'll stick to my guns on them two and believe that your opinion will change on both.

Skrtle and Agger will be the future centre half pairing imo.

I know you know your footy ace , but i think you will change your opinion on them two. I also like babel and think he will make a very good striker once he learns to calm down abit ,infront of goal .

Lucas is the man i'm pinning most of my hopes on , i think he has the potential to become a great player . THe lad has everything , apart from experience . He will dominate the centre of midfield for year to come imo .

Welcome back mate. It's good to see you posting again.

Igor, I like alot of your posts mate but when it comes to judging players we always disagree. To be honest, I'm bored of hearing the "when he does this he'll be great arguement".

With Baros it was "when he gets his head up he'll be world class".

With Sissoko it was "when he learns to pass he'll be the new Vieira".

We've had it with ever player and it will continue for all of time and nothing wiill ever change.

Now you're telling me "when Babel calms down and Skrtyl learns not to ball watch and learns to position himself and be a good defender they'll be good players". I'm telling you now, it'll never happen.

It never does, players never ever become something they aren't. They fine tune there ability, thats all. They have to be good players in the first place, these lads aren't.

Arbeloa, I'm sorry isn't upto it. He falls short on all of the top full backs ini just about every area and his lack of pace, strength positional sense and passing ability worry me immensely. He's not a footballer what so ever. He's a decent fulll back who can do a job if others are injured, nothing more.

Lucas is one i'm not yet decided on, theres potential there but it could prove to be nothing, then again he could prove to be another Fabregas which would be great news.

be kind to igor, he's only just recovered from bellends palsy of something

mind you his wife preferred him with the disease, as he looked so much better for it

by **Igor Zidane** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:46 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Stu ,get a clue lad , you talk nonesense .

I totally disagree with you on skrtle and arbeloa

Skrtle has still to learn the english game , so forgive him the ball watching if he's not up to the speed of the league . His passing and ball control is very good and will get better. His reading of the game is good but will get better once he gets used to the prem .

Arbeloa i've said all season will make right back his own . He has pace he has passing ability ,he 's not afraid to get forward and he has heart . First game in a Liverpool shirt ,he plays left back and marks lionel messi out if the game away at Barca. That one game alone showed to me that the lads got it .

I'll stick to my guns on them two and believe that your opinion will change on both.

Skrtle and Agger will be the future centre half pairing imo.

I know you know your footy ace , but i think you will change your opinion on them two. I also like babel and think he will make a very good striker once he learns to calm down abit ,infront of goal .

Lucas is the man i'm pinning most of my hopes on , i think he has the potential to become a great player . THe lad has everything , apart from experience . He will dominate the centre of midfield for year to come imo .

Welcome back mate. It's good to see you posting again.

Igor, I like alot of your posts mate but when it comes to judging players we always disagree. To be honest, I'm bored of hearing the "when he does this he'll be great arguement".

With Baros it was "when he gets his head up he'll be world class".

With Sissoko it was "when he learns to pass he'll be the new Vieira".

We've had it with ever player and it will continue for all of time and nothing wiill ever change.

Now you're telling me "when Babel calms down and Skrtyl learns not to ball watch and learns to position himself and be a good defender they'll be good players". I'm telling you now, it'll never happen.

It never does, players never ever become something they aren't. They fine tune there ability, thats all. They have to be good players in the first place, these lads aren't.

Arbeloa, I'm sorry isn't upto it. He falls short on all of the top full backs ini just about every area and his lack of pace, strength positional sense and passing ability worry me immensely. He's not a footballer what so ever. He's a decent fulll back who can do a job if others are injured, nothing more.

Lucas is one i'm not yet decided on, theres potential there but it could prove to be nothing, then again he could prove to be another Fabregas which would be great news.

Well i'm not bragging or nothing stu ,but i did say at the start of the season that Kuyt would have a blinding season and proove all the doubters wrong . :laugh:

by **Judge** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:55 pm

he is having a blinding season is kuyt. he's that blind he cant see to score

by **LFC2007** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:26 pm

Fo Dne wrote:Lucas is one i'm not yet decided on, theres potential there but it could prove to be nothing, then again he could prove to be another Fabregas which would be great news.

I thought you could spot a player in 10 mins?

by **Fo Dne** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:06 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:Stu ,get a clue lad , you talk nonesense .

I totally disagree with you on skrtle and arbeloa

Skrtle has still to learn the english game , so forgive him the ball watching if he's not up to the speed of the league . His passing and ball control is very good and will get better. His reading of the game is good but will get better once he gets used to the prem .

Arbeloa i've said all season will make right back his own . He has pace he has passing ability ,he 's not afraid to get forward and he has heart . First game in a Liverpool shirt ,he plays left back and marks lionel messi out if the game away at Barca. That one game alone showed to me that the lads got it .

I'll stick to my guns on them two and believe that your opinion will change on both.

Skrtle and Agger will be the future centre half pairing imo.

I know you know your footy ace , but i think you will change your opinion on them two. I also like babel and think he will make a very good striker once he learns to calm down abit ,infront of goal .

Lucas is the man i'm pinning most of my hopes on , i think he has the potential to become a great player . THe lad has everything , apart from experience . He will dominate the centre of midfield for year to come imo .

Welcome back mate. It's good to see you posting again.

Igor, I like alot of your posts mate but when it comes to judging players we always disagree. To be honest, I'm bored of hearing the "when he does this he'll be great arguement".

With Baros it was "when he gets his head up he'll be world class".

With Sissoko it was "when he learns to pass he'll be the new Vieira".

We've had it with ever player and it will continue for all of time and nothing wiill ever change.

Now you're telling me "when Babel calms down and Skrtyl learns not to ball watch and learns to position himself and be a good defender they'll be good players". I'm telling you now, it'll never happen.

It never does, players never ever become something they aren't. They fine tune there ability, thats all. They have to be good players in the first place, these lads aren't.

Arbeloa, I'm sorry isn't upto it. He falls short on all of the top full backs ini just about every area and his lack of pace, strength positional sense and passing ability worry me immensely. He's not a footballer what so ever. He's a decent fulll back who can do a job if others are injured, nothing more.

Lucas is one i'm not yet decided on, theres potential there but it could prove to be nothing, then again he could prove to be another Fabregas which would be great news.

Well i'm not bragging or nothing stu ,but i did say at the start of the season that Kuyt would have a blinding season and proove all the doubters wrong .

Another one to add to the list then isn't it.

It was quite amusing the slating i was getting last season for saying Kuyt was never good enough. I was told, "give him another season" remember Drogba, Henry etc...

Now, not one person would argue Kuyt isn't upto it.

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