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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:08 pm

RedBlood wrote:babel and skrtel arent good players?

arebola has a lack of pace and passing ability?

you really are a pleb

i think most people say IF this happens they will go on to be great players but theres nothing wrong with being positive and saying WHEN

Great post again, your excellent you.

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Postby RedBlood » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:38 pm

your a joke thats why your constantly getting banned and the mad thing is LARRR you think your posts are interresting :laugh:
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Postby JoeTerp » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:42 pm

Its still too early to judge Skrtel, because defending is about being steady over a long period of time; and wile Babel certainly has shown that he has weaknesses, he also has enough strengths to play consistently, which is and isn't saying a lot considering our squad
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Postby banana » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:50 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
RedBlood wrote:babel and skrtel arent good players?

arebola has a lack of pace and passing ability?

you really are a pleb

i think most people say IF this happens they will go on to be great players but theres nothing wrong with being positive and saying WHEN

Great post again, your excellent you.

Am dead jealous! You're boss you lad.... :sleep

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So this is Stu?

Hey there lad, just back to give you a beatin for old times sake. What ya say old chap...

just kiddin,,, I suppose we have had our disagreements but with Kuyt I suppose we agreed from day 1. I disliked Kuyt a lot last year as his movement, pace and skills were so limited. I remember a couple of friends making fun of me after I had talked all day of how :censored: Kuyt was, and then he scored 2. But I guess I got them in the end.

It is quite amazing how people actually gave him credit for the game at old trefford, in my book he:

made zero crosses
had zero shots on target
won zero free kicks
won zero corners
made zero dribbles

how you can credit a wing player with such stats is crazy. I reckon we need two strikers next year (as Kuyt and Voronin is horrible and Crouch only can work as an impact player for the last 15 minutes), one right winger and a left back.

It is going to be hard and expensive to find the necessary quality.

What is your prediction for the derby?
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:17 pm

When Agger arrived, he was disappointing, made one or two errors, but given time he's become the best defender from abroad that this league has seen since Hyypia. I don't think Skrtel is as good as Agger but that's because I think so highly of our danish centre half, I think given the time Skrtel will be good enough for us.
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Postby bigmick » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:54 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:When Agger arrived, he was disappointing, made one or two errors, but given time he's become the best defender from abroad that this league has seen since Hyypia. I don't think Skrtel is as good as Agger but that's because I think so highly of our danish centre half, I think given the time Skrtel will be good enough for us.

Agger is or was a good player, and was continuing to develop apace. I must confess though I think he has a long way to go to become the best foreign centre half in the League.

With blokes like Gallas, Toure, Vidic, Carvallho around (not saying BTW that Agger is arguably better than a couple of those) and fellas in the past like Stam and players of similar ilk, the Premiership has had some good centre halves along the way.

Agger is probably one of the best ball-playing centre halves of his generation there's no doubting that, the kid really is a smashing footballer. Developement though will come and will need to in his physical presence, his aerial ability etc. If and until that happens, he's always going to need a really top class no-nonsense defender alongside him to be seen at his very best. While probably not being actually the very top class Carragher filled the role ably and they looked like a good pairing when playing together. Worryingly however this hasn't been one of Jamies best seasons, and while I appreciate peoples opinion that it's "too early" to call Skyrtel, there are one or two worrying signs I think that he has that "standby" mode where he switches off and ball watches during games.

On the positive, he does look to have plenty of pace and can play a bit, and he does look like the "no-nonsense" type which Agger needs. Poor decision making though such as the first goal against Man Utd, or allowing Rooney to run off him while he watched a long punt from Van Der Saar fly seventy yards over his head are a concern. It maybe too early to definitively know one way or the other whether he will develop into a top-class centre back, but IMHO at least he is a fair distance short of being one right at this moment.
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Postby NANNY RED » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:12 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
RedBlood wrote:babel and skrtel arent good players?

arebola has a lack of pace and passing ability?

you really are a pleb

i think most people say IF this happens they will go on to be great players but theres nothing wrong with being positive and saying WHEN

Great post again, your excellent you.

Am dead jealous! You're boss you lad.... :sleep

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That reply had me chokin with laughin absolute quality :laugh:
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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:12 pm

RedBlood wrote:your a joke thats why your constantly getting banned and the mad thing is LARRR you think your posts are interresting :laugh:

Another excellent post...

Your contribution to this forum is excellent...

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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:15 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:When Agger arrived, he was disappointing, made one or two errors, but given time he's become the best defender from abroad that this league has seen since Hyypia. I don't think Skrtel is as good as Agger but that's because I think so highly of our danish centre half, I think given the time Skrtel will be good enough for us.

Agger's better than Toure, Gallas and Vidic and even Carvalho?

Not convinced. To come out with a comment like that is typical of the fuck wittery you often spout.
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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:16 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
RedBlood wrote:babel and skrtel arent good players?

arebola has a lack of pace and passing ability?

you really are a pleb

i think most people say IF this happens they will go on to be great players but theres nothing wrong with being positive and saying WHEN

Great post again, your excellent you.

Am dead jealous! You're boss you lad.... :sleep

:no

That reply had me chokin with laughin absolute quality :laugh:

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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:22 pm

bigmick wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:When Agger arrived, he was disappointing, made one or two errors, but given time he's become the best defender from abroad that this league has seen since Hyypia. I don't think Skrtel is as good as Agger but that's because I think so highly of our danish centre half, I think given the time Skrtel will be good enough for us.

Agger is or was a good player, and was continuing to develop apace. I must confess though I think he has a long way to go to become the best foreign centre half in the League.

With blokes like Gallas, Toure, Vidic, Carvallho around (not saying BTW that Agger is arguably better than a couple of those) and fellas in the past like Stam and players of similar ilk, the Premiership has had some good centre halves along the way.

Agger is probably one of the best ball-playing centre halves of his generation there's no doubting that, the kid really is a smashing footballer. Developement though will come and will need to in his physical presence, his aerial ability etc. If and until that happens, he's always going to need a really top class no-nonsense defender alongside him to be seen at his very best. While probably not being actually the very top class Carragher filled the role ably and they looked like a good pairing when playing together. Worryingly however this hasn't been one of Jamies best seasons, and while I appreciate peoples opinion that it's "too early" to call Skyrtel, there are one or two worrying signs I think that he has that "standby" mode where he switches off and ball watches during games.

On the positive, he does look to have plenty of pace and can play a bit, and he does look like the "no-nonsense" type which Agger needs. Poor decision making though such as the first goal against Man Utd, or allowing Rooney to run off him while he watched a long punt from Van Der Saar fly seventy yards over his head are a concern. It maybe too early to definitively know one way or the other whether he will develop into a top-class centre back, but IMHO at least he is a fair distance short of being one right at this moment.

Skrtyl has no chance mate.

Simple as, as I said to you a million times, players don't learn to do this that or the other. They either have it in there game of they don't. Its that simple.

Other than that a good post. :)
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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:26 pm

banana wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
RedBlood wrote:babel and skrtel arent good players?

arebola has a lack of pace and passing ability?

you really are a pleb

i think most people say IF this happens they will go on to be great players but theres nothing wrong with being positive and saying WHEN

Great post again, your excellent you.

Am dead jealous! You're boss you lad.... :sleep

:no

So this is Stu?

Hey there lad, just back to give you a beatin for old times sake. What ya say old chap...

just kiddin,,, I suppose we have had our disagreements but with Kuyt I suppose we agreed from day 1. I disliked Kuyt a lot last year as his movement, pace and skills were so limited. I remember a couple of friends making fun of me after I had talked all day of how :censored: Kuyt was, and then he scored 2. But I guess I got them in the end.

It is quite amazing how people actually gave him credit for the game at old trefford, in my book he:

made zero crosses
had zero shots on target
won zero free kicks
won zero corners
made zero dribbles

how you can credit a wing player with such stats is crazy. I reckon we need two strikers next year (as Kuyt and Voronin is horrible and Crouch only can work as an impact player for the last 15 minutes), one right winger and a left back.

It is going to be hard and expensive to find the necessary quality.

What is your prediction for the derby?

I only predict Europe, I've won 3 bets in europe this season, none in the premier league. :D

What happened to you anyway? You stopped posting for ages, thought you was dead. Lol (joke).

The place went down hill after you left, you stopped being allowed to debate and it become all politically correct with to many cryers who couldn't take being called a name.
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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:33 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:When Agger arrived, he was disappointing, made one or two errors, but given time he's become the best defender from abroad that this league has seen since Hyypia. I don't think Skrtel is as good as Agger but that's because I think so highly of our danish centre half, I think given the time Skrtel will be good enough for us.

Agger's better than Toure, Gallas and Vidic and even Carvalho?

Not convinced. To come out with a comment like that is typical of the fuck wittery you often spout.

yes Agger is better than all of them and he's a lot better than many more around europe.

Last season Carragher didn't put a foot wrong, he had Agger along side him all year. This year, we were top of the league when Agger was in the side, since then we're struggling to get fourth. Two years ago we won the FA Cup with Agger in the side, this year we're out to Barnsley without Daniel Agger.

Agger's a much better ball playing centre half than anything else in the league. He had one of the hardest jobs in the world by trying to step into the boots of Hyypia and he's done it with ease. What did Gallas have to do to make himself look good...replace Cygan? Vidic had to replace Mikele Sylvestre? And Carvalho had to replace Mario Melchiot? Hardly difficult to make yourself look good when you're replacing nobody of any quality anyway. Toure had a hard job trying to replace Tony Adams and he's done it to such an extent that he's a leading centre half in the league.

Agger and Toure are the best two out of the lot, with Agger nudging it. They also cost the least. Gallas has cost English clubs eight million, Carvalho was nearer 20 million and Vidic cost around 10 million. Agger cost five and you get a lot more from him.

He's the best centre half from abroad since Hyypia.
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2) pass and move is the Liverpool groove
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Postby Fo Dne » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:40 pm

god_bless_john_houlding wrote:
Fo Dne wrote:
god_bless_john_houlding wrote:When Agger arrived, he was disappointing, made one or two errors, but given time he's become the best defender from abroad that this league has seen since Hyypia. I don't think Skrtel is as good as Agger but that's because I think so highly of our danish centre half, I think given the time Skrtel will be good enough for us.

Agger's better than Toure, Gallas and Vidic and even Carvalho?

Not convinced. To come out with a comment like that is typical of the fuck wittery you often spout.

yes Agger is better than all of them and he's a lot better than many more around europe.

Last season Carragher didn't put a foot wrong, he had Agger along side him all year. This year, we were top of the league when Agger was in the side, since then we're struggling to get fourth. Two years ago we won the FA Cup with Agger in the side, this year we're out to Barnsley without Daniel Agger.

Agger's a much better ball playing centre half than anything else in the league. He had one of the hardest jobs in the world by trying to step into the boots of Hyypia and he's done it with ease. What did Gallas have to do to make himself look good...replace Cygan? Vidic had to replace Mikele Sylvestre? And Carvalho had to replace Mario Melchiot? Hardly difficult to make yourself look good when you're replacing nobody of any quality anyway. Toure had a hard job trying to replace Tony Adams and he's done it to such an extent that he's a leading centre half in the league.

Agger and Toure are the best two out of the lot, with Agger nudging it. They also cost the least. Gallas has cost English clubs eight million, Carvalho was nearer 20 million and Vidic cost around 10 million. Agger cost five and you get a lot more from him.

He's the best centre half from abroad since Hyypia.

You should be banned...

Absoloutely pathetic, next you'll be saying Pennants better than Ronaldo...

Oh wait...

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Postby god_bless_john_houlding » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:49 pm

and like most on here you take every word literally. I'll tell you what, don't read my posts and we'll get along fine because you don't seem to see any positives in any single player.
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