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puroresu wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:

metalhead wrote:True s@int, but one the games was the F.A cup, against Havant

Key players this season were hardly rotated when Benitez learned that he can't drop them after the portsmouth game. Only during F.A and carling cup games our key players were rested.

However, this complete rotating of the squad players is bollox.

Very true, but I think the reason he rotates the wide players so much is because there's not enough quality in those areas.  It may be Rafa's fault but I think that if he was allowed to buy Alves and Simao we would rarely see them get rotated.

There is no maybe about it.  He persists with Harry Kewell even though Kewell has done nothing.  He paid to much for pennant and for that money could of found someone else.  He signs Babel for £12 mil and he doesnt know what to do with him. He gives him a go out on the left and then drops him. A few weeks later its Babel's time again.  He signed Leto who seems to have dropped from the face of the earth.  He signed Gonzales who was supposed to be the next big thing and within a year his sold.  He bought Yossi who has never been and will never be a true winger.  We have had problems in the wide positions for years and Rafa has not resolved these problems.

megabomberman wrote:This whole Rafa not wanting the league thing is now bordering on ridiculous....

Some fans here are impatient, they believe rafa isn't good enough to guide liverpool and I respect your opinions on that, they are valid...

But when this bullcrap about rafa not wanting to win the league come out, you have to think its so pathetic, the anti rafa brigade will twist and turn at anything to heap everyone against him to force him out...

Rafa doesn't want the league! What a load of BS... Reina, Hypia, Carra, Gerrard, Masch and Torres have practically played everygame in the league this season, and don't come balling to me about fratton park where torres got a solitary rest by god he could do with one now, but of course all you lot would be on here ranting about it in 2 months time saying remem when benitez rested torres! Rafa obviously cares about the bread and butter, we're just not good enough yet, how could we be, Rafas fighting against a hill, Arsenal/chelsea/man utd all have advantages in one way or another, in terms of squad value, manager time spent there, youth set ups or transfer kittys... For Rafa to overcome this he needs time..

Like the way his most expensive winger is babel for around 10mill (the amount chelsea pay for fullbacks), and most expensive left back signing was how much? FREE! Get a grip, the funds will be transfered to where he needs it most in due time! You hardly expect him to go and fill every position with quality right away with the money he's been given, whilst trying to get cover for injuries...

When Rafas finished, we won't be able to argue that the team doesn't care about the league because the squad will be so awesome it won't be possible to come accross that way..

megabomberman wrote:This whole Rafa not wanting the league thing is now bordering on ridiculous....

Some fans here are impatient, they believe rafa isn't good enough to guide liverpool and I respect your opinions on that, they are valid...

But when this bullcrap about rafa not wanting to win the league come out, you have to think its so pathetic, the anti rafa brigade will twist and turn at anything to heap everyone against him to force him out...

Rafa doesn't want the league! What a load of BS... Reina, Hypia, Carra, Gerrard, Masch and Torres have practically played everygame in the league this season, and don't come balling to me about fratton park where torres got a solitary rest by god he could do with one now, but of course all you lot would be on here ranting about it in 2 months time saying remem when benitez rested torres! Rafa obviously cares about the bread and butter, we're just not good enough yet, how could we be, Rafas fighting against a hill, Arsenal/chelsea/man utd all have advantages in one way or another, in terms of squad value, manager time spent there, youth set ups or transfer kittys... For Rafa to overcome this he needs time..

Like the way his most expensive winger is babel for around 10mill (the amount chelsea pay for fullbacks), and most expensive left back signing was how much? FREE! Get a grip, the funds will be transfered to where he needs it most in due time! You hardly expect him to go and fill every position with quality right away with the money he's been given, whilst trying to get cover for injuries...

When Rafas finished, we won't be able to argue that the team doesn't care about the league because the squad will be so awesome it won't be possible to come accross that way..

puroresu wrote:Yes he hasnt been able to spend £15 mil on Malouda.  However the point I'm trying to make is with the money his had his bought to many poor players.  U can find good players with the money his had.  Wenger seems to do it just fine.  Rafa just aint the best judge of players.

nobybob wrote:

Remembering also that his options to rotate have been limited by injuries to Alonso, Agger, and the atrocious form of Kuyt and Voronin.

In my opinion it is BECAUSE of injuries to ALONSO and AGGER and the bad form of KUYT and VORONIN that rafa has rotated so much this season. I feel Alonso and agger injury free and in form would be nailed on to start every game.
rafa is still trying to find the ideal partner for Torres (who plays every game now incidentally) hence the swapping from the out of form KUYT and voronin with the less than ideal crouch. non of these  IMO will in the long run provide the answer.

pennant is a difficult one because at times he really impresses only to swiftly fall back into mediocrity. I think much of the right wing problem is down to GERRARD because rafa has previously come under a lot of stick, for using GERRARD on the right and not in the centre were he is undoubtedly one of the best in the world. SO  rafa has given in to the pressure and played him in the middle . OK but he is also our best option on the right by a long way, he should go back right even if he does moan about it because with Alonso macha and Lucas we would still have a great midfield and the team would be so much more balanced

puroresu wrote:Yes he hasnt been able to spend £15 mil on Malouda.  However the point I'm trying to make is with the money his had his bought to many poor players.  U can find good players with the money his had.  Wenger seems to do it just fine.  Rafa just aint the best judge of players.

puroresu wrote:

ruskiy playmaker wrote:

puroresu wrote:Yes he hasnt been able to spend £15 mil on Malouda.  However the point I'm trying to make is with the money his had his bought to many poor players.  U can find good players with the money his had.  Wenger seems to do it just fine.  Rafa just aint the best judge of players.

I agree with you on this but there are very few known managers in the world who could do what Wenger does.  Sure I'd like to see Rafa go out and buy the next Hleb instead of Pennant, but you have to understand that even the best managers like Fergie need lots of money to buy quality talents nowadays.  When Rafa buys Babel-10.5,Lucas-8, Fergie buys Nani-14,Anderson-18.  How do you expect us to overtake Man U, when it's clear that they have a much bigger budget than us?

Man Utd have had a bigger budget than us for years.  Before Nani and Anderson they were paying £30 mil for Rooney and Rio Ferdinand.  Man Utd will always have a bigger budget than us but the team who spends the most doesnt always win. We dont need to be able to match Man Utd pound for pound to beat them.  Martin Jol at Spurs spent more money than anyone other than Mourinho and still couldnt break the top 4.  Compare his spending to his rival Wenger at Arsenal and u see that its not just about spending.  Any Inter Milan fan can vouch that for years they spent millions and millions and won nothing.  Its not simply about money.  Like I have said before even if Rafa had more money I'm still not convinced he would still find the right players.  If Rafa had the money I doubt he would ever dare to buy an Anderson or Nani for the money Man Utd spent.  Those sort of players are to risky for Rafa.