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by **Judge** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:01 pm

the annoying thing about the commentary was the way that the thick fuck known as david pleat couldnt get benayouns name right :angry:

by **stmichael** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:48 pm

Judge wrote:the annoying thing about the commentary was the way that the thick fuck known as david pleat couldnt get benayouns name right

Bobby Robson went a whole career without getting a player's name right!

by **Judge** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:59 pm

stmichael wrote:
Judge wrote:the annoying thing about the commentary was the way that the thick fuck known as david pleat couldnt get benayouns name right

Bobby Robson went a whole career without getting a player's name right!

aye he did

by **peterc1992** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:05 pm

Big Niall wrote:He scored a hatrick in an 8-0 win so lets look at the long term performances.

Manure have Ronaldo, Arsenal have Van Persie, Chelsea have SWP, does anyone think that he is better than those?

Possible as good as swp,but not as good as ronaldo or van persie,he doesnt have the flair.plus hes old enough and all these players are young and they will all be better than benayoun is wen there his age

by **bigmick** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:30 pm

It really does make you wonder when you watched Benayoun the other night, why on earth Pennant is seemingly incapable of doing the same thing. Many of us on here have been banging on about the positions he ought to be taking up since the day he arrived and I've no doubt the coaching staff must surely have mentioned it to him, but it just never happens.

Wide midfielders tracking into the box when the ball is on the other flank is a concept which is as old as the hills. There's nothing new in it, nor anything particularly clever, it's just the obvious thing to do. Benayouns first goal the other night when he converted Voronins cross was a classic example. Ball on the other flank so I'll wander in and see what happens. Does Pennant think Ronaldo scores all his goals from with a yard of the touchline?

It's annoying to me because he's obviously a very talented player and it's such a simple, fundemental concept. If you told Pennant to not even think about things, if the ball is being crossed from the other flank then just move your erse and stand on the corner of the box, every single time, he would increase his goal tally twofold. It's a really basic concept alright but failure to grasp it though will probably and rightly result in him losing his place in the team.

by **LOVERPOOL** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:34 pm

He scored a hatrick in an 8-0 win so lets look at the long term performances.

Manure have Ronaldo, Arsenal have Van Persie, Chelsea have SWP, does anyone think that he is better than those?

who's compare?
they all are better then Benayoun, they are in the top!
but Benayoun, in my opinion, is one of those who can be in the higher level in Liverpool.
He is special player, and person...

by **Aaron** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:35 pm

Judge wrote:the annoying thing about the commentary was the way that the thick fuck known as david pleat couldnt get benayouns name right

What annoyed me aswell was the fact he kept going on about England when he scored. No offence intended to England fans on here, but if he is scoring for Liverpool, I couldnt give a :censored:

if he helped Englands cause or not. Pleat seemed to keep harping on about saving some for Russia :veryangry

by **destro** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:55 pm

I wouldn't go as far as to say he is better than Ronaldo or Van Persie but he has the ability to win a game on his own just as they do. I am not sure what he is like on the left BUT he is more of a goal threat and provider than Kewell, Pennant and from what I have seen so far although it is still early Babel, and therefore deserves his place in the team.

He is one of a few players we have that is able to provide that one moment of skill that would win us a game the others being Gerrard and Torres.

Considering Kuyt and Voronin spend most of their time OUTSIDE the box his contribution and his willingness to take a chance and be in the right place INSIDE the box could prove to be vital over the season.

He also cost a lot less than SWP,Ronaldo and I would imagine Van Persie ( who's fee is undisclosed? )

by **bigmick** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:05 pm

destro wrote:I wouldn't go as far as to say he is better than Ronaldo or Van Persie but he has the ability to win a game on his own just as they do.

He also cost a lot less than SWP,Ronaldo and I would imagine Van Persie ( who's fee is undisclosed? )

Lets be perfectly open and honest about it mate, he isn't in the same stratosphere as Ronaldo, not on the same planet footballing wise so anybody who is going down that road needs to think again IMHO.

I've noticed Van Persie getting thrown into the mix by a couple of people as well. I personally think the Arsenal man is another superb footballer, who FWIW is way ahead of our Yossi but is more of a centre forward anyway so I can't really understand the comparison.

That's not to say Benayoun isn't a talented player though because he certainly is. I had grave reservations when he first came and as usual said so, but the little Israeli is well into the process of proving me totally wrong and fair play to him for it. If he can play wide midfield on either side and chip in with a few goals, he will be a good signing.

Ronaldo though? Not really.

Van Persie cost around three million quid I think. Apparently there were/are problems with his attitude on occasions hence the ridiculously low fee. I know the praising up of Wenger gets peoples backs up on here sometimes, but at that money with his ability he was a fantastic buy.

by **Sabre** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:50 pm

I hope Rafa doesn't rotate any more, because that way Bigmick will focus in excellent post like the last couple

. I agree both of them.

Particularly in the comparison he does between the wide midfielder and our winger Pennant, he describes well what one player does and what the other doesn't. Maybe I disagree when he says it's not particularly clever. It's easy to spot what they should do from outside, but as years passes, I've seen more wide midfielders that fail to have that basic concept nailed in the head. Maybe it is that like always from outside everything seems easier.

Other than that little detail, I agree what he says. I also had doubts about his signing up. I consider him a decent squad player for Liverpool or a very good player for a minor team like Santander or Westham, and we had been looking for a quality winger for ages, I had doubts (and I have) that he can considered a *high* quality player. But there's no doubt he could and he is being useful for the club. In summer I thought that with his incoming we would see more Gerrard in the middle, he's more a midfielder than a winger.

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:07 pm

Greatful as I am for his goals this season, I still have big doubts about Benayoun. I don't think he is consistant or good enough to hold down a regular place in a title challenging team. To compare him to a fit Kewell is just a joke IMHO. Better than Pennant possibly but neither are the quality I was hoping for this season.

I see him as a player who can come on as a sub and maybe offer something different or perhaps even play the odd game or two without letting the side down, but I don't see him setting the prem alight or even playing much more than a bit part really.

I am very pleased with his attitude, effort and his goals so far, but sadly I don't see him as any sort of solution to our right wing problems.

If I was Rafa I would still be looking to bring in a top quality right winger asap.

I hope I am wrong and he has a great season, but I won't be holding my breath in anticipation.

by **Sabre** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:16 pm

I also agree S@int's post. I think he can provide what S@int's comments and when you want to do a possession game, he's the kind of wide player that can give you some possession, he's not like Gerrard in the sense he hasn't the oposition goal in mind, he knows to stop if he doesn't see a good chance of success, and do an easy pass horizontally when necessary. That attitude is not negative, is just waiting the proper moment to wait until other team mates reach better positions.

I think that a good measure of what is your importance and quality is the Rafa-o-meter. There's, IMHO, a pattern in Rafa's words. The very strong players of the team, the players who have a stablished place in the team, HARDLY get Rafa's praises. They simply do not need them. I think, and I don't know if someone else agrees, that Carraguer, Alonso, Gerrard and Alonso hardly get a praise or an "excellent job" from the manager. Rafa praises more the players that are questioned, or the players who are going to see many games from the bench. Since Benayoun is very praised, my conspiration theory is that Benayoun's not a key player for Rafa. Strange theory I know

and probably total bóllocks. But's it's my hunch

by **Mikz** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:21 pm

Gotta say saint -I hope you are wrong too. Sometimes its the ones we least expect that hit it off.
I like him, always have, i think hes a lot better than people think and rate him far higher than most of the right siders weve had , and even the one we didnt get from Benfica. Hes neat and tidy when its compact , give him space and he will run them ragged.
If he was just more consistent, no more fits and starts -if i was rafa Id play him at every opportunity and when his confidence peaks -well see a great player

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:29 pm

I see him as a handy lad to have in the side. For me, he's an intelligent and versatile player who can play throughout the midfield and who will look to chip in with few goals as the season goes. Not a nailed on first-teamer but a lad who can come in and acquit himself well when called upon and who can maybe change a game every once in a while.

As for comparisons, most will look to Garcia--the man he ostensibly replaced. In that regard, I don't think he'll ever provide quite the same flair or goal threat as Garcia but he isn't a "ball waster" either. IMO, though, it's better compare him with Zenden, given that he's predominantly a squad player who is valued for his versatility. With that in mind, I think he's a very good piece of business. Of course, he's always going to come up short if the comparison is made to Mancini, Ribery, or any other "proper" winger that you'd care to name and whom you were hoping we'd go get given the Yankee war chest.

by **bigmick** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:39 pm

Bad Bob wrote:IMO, though, it's better compare him with Zenden,

Feck me Bob if that's the criteria we are going to use, I'll come out of retirement meself and have a go for a spot in the squad

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