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f9Torres wrote:I think that Torres will go out because Forlan is very near, and nobody pay 20.000.000€ for a striker with Torres and Aguero in your team. And our economy is not very well to pay this. I have read that Torres is a man of 15 goals for season. Well, but you only have to see who play with Torres. An example, Samuel Eto'o when he played in Mallorca, he was a man of 13 goals for year, now, with Ronaldinho, Messi, Deco, etc, he score 25.

f9Torres wrote:

Sabre wrote:Hola Colchonero, another Spaniard (from San Sebastian) here. Be welcome.

Well I just was warning my friends around here not to put too much hopes in Torres being the mesiah of strikers. I think he has dribling, pace, and skill but when it comes to finnish he's not that kind of killer many people are waiting for.

If you think the opposite the people will be happy to hear it.

I have an in depth question for you. Torres is a 23 year old player and still young, what would you say it's been the major improvement in his game in the last 4 years? what aspects of his game has he improved?

Hola Sabre. Well, this year, Torres has scored almost all the 1 vs 1 with the goalkeeper. This is one of is improvements. Now, he see the play much better than years ago, he knows when he has to do a thing a when has to tho the other. The principal problem of Torres is that in many times, he had to take the ball in the middle of the field, ¿to haggle? 4 or 5 opponetns and score. It is imposible. I think that with better player around of Torres He would be one of the most importants players in the wolrd. The only player that has been in a level seem Torres is Maxi Rodriguez, the others very far, and it is very difficult play when the other team knows that you are the 90% of the team.

First of all, welcome mate and thanks for your input.

You've raised an interesting point here about Torres's mentality at AM.  As the main man, so to speak, he probably feels like he has to do everything.  Sometimes that comes off and he carries the team on his back while other times he fails to find his form because he's looking to do the impossible every time he touches the ball.  Is that what you're saying?

If so, to me that sounds an awful lot like someone else we know.  Gerrard used to feel like he had to do everything for the team: win the ball, beat defenders, create, score, etc.  Undoubtedly he had the talent to do all of those things well but, in not trusting his teammates and in trying to do it all himself, he sometimes negated his own talent.  Remember his first season under Rafa?  He was still trying to do it all and Rafa really had to work with him to get him to focus his skills and trust his teammates.  We saw the fruits of that last season, where Gerrard had a fantastic season as part of a team rather than as a one-man gang.

Now, I'm not saying Torres is at or ever will be at Gerrard's level but I wonder if the same pressures are there for him at AM.  Perhaps a move to Anfield, where he'll be just another spoke in the wheel so to speak, is precisely what the lad needs to focus his game and take it to the next level?  (Or is that just so much wishful thinking? )

s@int wrote:

f9Torres wrote:I think that Torres will go out because Forlan is very near, and nobody pay 20.000.000€ for a striker with Torres and Aguero in your team. And our economy is not very well to pay this. I have read that Torres is a man of 15 goals for season. Well, but you only have to see who play with Torres. An example, Samuel Eto'o when he played in Mallorca, he was a man of 13 goals for year, now, with Ronaldinho, Messi, Deco, etc, he score 25.

Not to be greedy but how good is Aguero now and how much would he cost?

Is this just to win our debate, Saint? 

Incidentally, I'll hopefully get a chance to see Aguero live next week when I watch the U-20 Argies in Ottawa.  I'll ask him then if he fancies a move to Anfield!

s@int wrote:

f9Torres wrote:I think that Torres will go out because Forlan is very near, and nobody pay 20.000.000€ for a striker with Torres and Aguero in your team. And our economy is not very well to pay this. I have read that Torres is a man of 15 goals for season. Well, but you only have to see who play with Torres. An example, Samuel Eto'o when he played in Mallorca, he was a man of 13 goals for year, now, with Ronaldinho, Messi, Deco, etc, he score 25.

Not to be greedy but how good is Aguero now and how much would he cost?

Bad Bob wrote:

f9Torres wrote:

Sabre wrote:Hola Colchonero, another Spaniard (from San Sebastian) here. Be welcome.

Well I just was warning my friends around here not to put too much hopes in Torres being the mesiah of strikers. I think he has dribling, pace, and skill but when it comes to finnish he's not that kind of killer many people are waiting for.

If you think the opposite the people will be happy to hear it.

I have an in depth question for you. Torres is a 23 year old player and still young, what would you say it's been the major improvement in his game in the last 4 years? what aspects of his game has he improved?

Hola Sabre. Well, this year, Torres has scored almost all the 1 vs 1 with the goalkeeper. This is one of is improvements. Now, he see the play much better than years ago, he knows when he has to do a thing a when has to tho the other. The principal problem of Torres is that in many times, he had to take the ball in the middle of the field, ¿to haggle? 4 or 5 opponetns and score. It is imposible. I think that with better player around of Torres He would be one of the most importants players in the wolrd. The only player that has been in a level seem Torres is Maxi Rodriguez, the others very far, and it is very difficult play when the other team knows that you are the 90% of the team.

First of all, welcome mate and thanks for your input.

You've raised an interesting point here about Torres's mentality at AM.  As the main man, so to speak, he probably feels like he has to do everything.  Sometimes that comes off and he carries the team on his back while other times he fails to find his form because he's looking to do the impossible every time he touches the ball.  Is that what you're saying?

If so, to me that sounds an awful lot like someone else we know.  Gerrard used to feel like he had to do everything for the team: win the ball, beat defenders, create, score, etc.  Undoubtedly he had the talent to do all of those things well but, in not trusting his teammates and in trying to do it all himself, he sometimes negated his own talent.  Remember his first season under Rafa?  He was still trying to do it all and Rafa really had to work with him to get him to focus his skills and trust his teammates.  We saw the fruits of that last season, where Gerrard had a fantastic season as part of a team rather than as a one-man gang.

Now, I'm not saying Torres is at or ever will be at Gerrard's level but I wonder if the same pressures are there for him at AM.  Perhaps a move to Anfield, where he'll be just another spoke in the wheel so to speak, is precisely what the lad needs to focus his game and take it to the next level?  (Or is that just so much wishful thinking? )

destro wrote:Injury prone !  He has ruptured his cruciate ligament and  broken his metatarsal do they make him injury prone, two freak accidents, Gerrard broke his metatarsal and had problems with his back is he injury prone ?

destro wrote:I dont know any medical facts about ( and i cant be a,rsed Googling it either ) What i do know is that players have come back from it.

Roy Keane in 1997 suffered a cruciate injury, He was never the same player again and only had a short career after it  

So  the 'Medical facts" were wrong on that occasion! Label him injury prone if he suffers from now on but not from what has happened previously, you can guess he may be injury prone but until it happens it is just guess work and assumptions

The Grudge wrote:Injuries aside Michael Owen will never be the player he was FACT!

Fact ? really and on what do you base that, lets look at the FACTS since the injury shall we, goals per games for Newcastle so far ? Does that suggest that he will never be the same, does it look like he has lost the knack of scoring goals ? NO 

The only FACT is that its your opinion that he wont be the same !

destro wrote:

The Grudge wrote:Injuries aside Michael Owen will never be the player he was FACT!

Fact ? really and on what do you base that, lets look at the FACTS since the injury shall we, goals per games for Newcastle so far ? Does that suggest that he will never be the same, does it look like he has lost the knack of scoring goals ? NO 

The only FACT is that its your opinion that he wont be the same !