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by **kunilson** » Fri May 25, 2007 11:09 am

rafa's right to be annoyed....im worried at the fact that he is that annoyed to say things like this publicly....keep rafa happy = priority.

by **Red26** » Fri May 25, 2007 11:12 am

Liverpool have had enough money over the last few years. Rafa's wasted all the money on Spanish no marks. And no world class players want play there.

by **Sabre** » Fri May 25, 2007 11:19 am

Red26 wrote:Liverpool have had enough money over the last few years. Rafa's wasted all the money on Spanish no marks. And no world class players want play there.

I didn't know Crouch, Bellamy, Pennant and Kuyt were Spaniards.

That's good to know. I'll tell Aragones to summon Crouch, I think he can have a spot in the national squad. Bellamy can't, and Pennant neither, he's a player I like, but he has the competence of fellow spaniards Joaquin, and Navas.

by **destro** » Fri May 25, 2007 11:45 am

Good to see that Rafa has the same ammount of ambition as the fans, the time has come for the new owners to back up their promises to both the fans and the manager.

The only possible downside to this and the way it was reported is that, when the funds required are made available and the players are brought in there can be no excuse, Rafa has brought even more pressure upon himself to deliver. The excuses of having to settle for second best in the transfer market will no longer stand up.

But even with more money available it doesnt mean that the right players will be brought in, the Etos,Villas,Alves etc will cost a lot more than the Bellamys,Kuyts and Gonzos but that doesnt guarantee success.Its possible that there are going to be players who come for a lot of money but for whatever reason, other than ability dont make it.

Now is the most important time of Rafas career with us, the players he brings from now on have to deliver there can be no more mistakes no more excuses, a 20-30 million pound player will be expected to make a difference, a lot more than the 5-10 million pound players have in the past.

The new owners have stated many times that they will not try to emulate Chelsea in the transfer market, they have not come out and said exactly how much Rafa will have to spend, but i dont think they will be happy to spend huge ammounts on players only for them not to perform and then have to replace them with more players for the same ammount.

I have every confidence in Rafa, he will have a list of the sort of players he thinks we need to get us back where we belong, and hopefully the board will have the patience to let him get on with it and understand that it may take a year maybe two before he gets all the players he needs to build the team he wants

by **destro** » Fri May 25, 2007 11:49 am

Red26 wrote:Liverpool have had enough money over the last few years. Rafa's wasted all the money on Spanish no marks. And no world class players want play there.

Mascherano,Alonso, Agger really bad buys them arent they

by **monkey 20** » Fri May 25, 2007 11:56 am

egyptian liverpoolian wrote:rafa still the king
the lion sick but not dieeeeee

wow...mate u just made my day

by **stmichael** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:21 pm

You need to see the big picture, he is very pi$$ed off at the moment because he knows we should of won the Champions league final. We were the better team and it hurts him knowing that.

He is right about the transfers though look over the past few years Vidic we asked about him and hummed about bring him in and whilst we where doing that Utd came in and took him.
Alves he sounded an interest delayed a little, Chelsea said they were interested and bam his price went up. Same with Milito.

by **grayghost** » Fri May 25, 2007 12:55 pm

It was about time Rafa lead down the LAW we need the money now with quick transfers Parry needs to get his finger out his :censored:

and get to work

We need to Kill the cow for the milk.... :nod

by **HOMER** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:05 pm

rafa has bought 29 players and spent 100m.

from the final - riise, carra, finnan and gerrard were at anfield before rafa arrived(our best players for the past 3 years)

he's had a lot of money to spend but he keeps on buiyng 2-6m players. out of that 100m (29 players) only agger, alonso and reina (masch is on loan) are good enough for liverpools starting 11. kuyt is not a goalscorer.

that to me is a terrible transfer record.

It's not just the club and Parry that are to blame - Rafa has to shoulder some of that blame aswell.

Hope our summer signings are good enough (the americans will provide the money) because rafa will not have anyone else to blame next year but himself

by **Red26** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:09 pm

destro wrote:
Red26 wrote:Liverpool have had enough money over the last few years. Rafa's wasted all the money on Spanish no marks. And no world class players want play there.

Mascherano,Alonso, Agger really bad buys them arent they

Isn't Mascherano on a loan?

Alonso hasn't been looking so good recently. Agger's good.

Rafa's spent 100 million on these players..

Aurelio (Valencia, free), Pennant (Birmingham, £6.7m), Kuyt (Feyenoord, £9m), El Zhar (St Etienne, undisc), Duran (Malaga, undisc), Arbeloa (Deportivo, £2.6m), Reina (Villarreal, £6m), Gonzalez (Albacete, £4.5m), Zenden (M’boro, free), Barragan (Seville, undisc), Sissoko (Valencia, £5.6m), Crouch (Soton, £7m), Antwi (Zaragoza, undisc), Hobbs (Lincoln, undisc), Anderson (Hull, undisc), Kromkamp (Villarreal, swap), Martin (MK Dons, undisc), Agger (Brondby, £5.8m), Fowler (Man City, free), Bellamy (Blackburn, £6m), Paletta (Banfield, £2m), Josemi (Malaga, £2m), Garcia (Barcelona, £6m), Alonso (Sociedad, £10.5m), Nunez (Real Madrid, swap), Pellegrino (Valencia, Free), Morientes (Real Madrid, £6.3m), Scott Carson (Leeds, £750,000), Djibril Cisse (Auxerre, £14m).

Are you happy with 3 out of 29?

by **puroresu** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:12 pm

Red26 wrote:
destro wrote:
Red26 wrote:Liverpool have had enough money over the last few years. Rafa's wasted all the money on Spanish no marks. And no world class players want play there.

Mascherano,Alonso, Agger really bad buys them arent they

Isn't Mascherano on a loan?

Alonso hasn't been looking so good recently. Agger's good.

Rafa's spent 100 million on these players..

Aurelio (Valencia, free), Pennant (Birmingham, £6.7m), Kuyt (Feyenoord, £9m), El Zhar (St Etienne, undisc), Duran (Malaga, undisc), Arbeloa (Deportivo, £2.6m), Reina (Villarreal, £6m), Gonzalez (Albacete, £4.5m), Zenden (M'boro, free), Barragan (Seville, undisc), Sissoko (Valencia, £5.6m), Crouch (Soton, £7m), Antwi (Zaragoza, undisc), Hobbs (Lincoln, undisc), Anderson (Hull, undisc), Kromkamp (Villarreal, swap), Martin (MK Dons, undisc), Agger (Brondby, £5.8m), Fowler (Man City, free), Bellamy (Blackburn, £6m), Paletta (Banfield, £2m), Josemi (Malaga, £2m), Garcia (Barcelona, £6m), Alonso (Sociedad, £10.5m), Nunez (Real Madrid, swap), Pellegrino (Valencia, Free), Morientes (Real Madrid, £6.3m), Scott Carson (Leeds, £750,000), Djibril Cisse (Auxerre, £14m).

Are you happy with 3 out of 29?

Rafa never signed Cisse.

The only ones for me that can be classed as a real success is

Reina, Alonso, Sissoko and Agger. Crouch can be added to that lost even though for me we need better than him.

by **redtrader74** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:13 pm

HOMER wrote:rafa has bought 29 players and spent 100m.

from the final - riise, carra, finnan and gerrard were at anfield before rafa arrived(our best players for the past 3 years)

he's had a lot of money to spend but he keeps on buiyng 2-6m players. out of that 100m (29 players) only agger, alonso and reina (masch is on loan) are good enough for liverpools starting 11. kuyt is not a goalscorer.

that to me is a terrible transfer record.

It's not just the club and Parry that are to blame - Rafa has to shoulder some of that blame aswell.

Hope our summer signings are good enough (the americans will provide the money) because rafa will not have anyone else to blame next year but himself

It think Rafa made it clear in his interview,that the lack of urgency and funds has meant that he has had to buy his 3rd 4th choice. When you need 5 players and only have 25m to spend....

by **grayghost** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:15 pm

HOMER wrote:rafa has bought 29 players and spent 100m.

from the final - riise, carra, finnan and gerrard were at anfield before rafa arrived(our best players for the past 3 years)

he's had a lot of money to spend but he keeps on buiyng 2-6m players. out of that 100m (29 players) only agger, alonso and reina (masch is on loan) are good enough for liverpools starting 11. kuyt is not a goalscorer.

that to me is a terrible transfer record.

It's not just the club and Parry that are to blame - Rafa has to shoulder some of that blame aswell.

Hope our summer signings are good enough (the americans will provide the money) because rafa will not have anyone else to blame next year but himself

Some off those guys are Rafas 3rd chioce singnings if rafa got the players he choice first the team would look a lot better.

I mean look at man u and chesik they get the players they need straght away. Shev,ballack,Carrick,Owen H, While instead of Alves we got Alorba or wot ever his name.There was Villa we got kuyt Rafa went for jaquen we got penant.

by **HOMER** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:30 pm

the reason that were not getting rafas first choice signings is because he's spent most of the money on about 10 very average players beforehand.

lets just sign 2 players this year one stiker and a winger. I guarantee that rafa will get his first choice because we'll pay the asking price and we'll pay the player big wages.

by **stmichael** » Fri May 25, 2007 1:54 pm

Rafa has been given cash whilst been here but he is expected to do a lot more with it then other managers.

Like i said before, whilst Mourinho and Fergie can spend £30 million on 1 player we have to sign 4 players for that same amount.

Over the last few seasons at least 4 teams have easily beaten our transfer record and the mancs and Chelsea beat it on a regular basis.

For us to challenge for the top of the table its no good giving Rafa £30 million and say 'right rebuild your team with that' - we need to be spending on proven quality and unfortunatly that doesnt come cheap.

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