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by **Effes** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:34 pm

When I said deciding factor I was referring to Manu last season and Man U this season.

Saying Ronaldo (I'm not saying you, but generally) is too easy.

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:35 pm

Fowler_E7 wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch. Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

dont worry i wont, jus find his views on things very strange indeed. Just pisses me of when people say "this players , coz's he got no pace" typical stupid statement i hear so often.

Agreed.

I just hope he knows more about women than football for his sake...

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:36 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch. Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

stu...when did you start supporting liverpool?

10.09.1983 at 6:08am.

Again what relivance does that have "Solskjaer"?

because i don't think you've been to anfield in your life. I bet you thought Ian rush was class until he got a free transfer and scored 1 goal in his season at leeds

what a moron.

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:37 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch. Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

dont worry i wont, jus find his views on things very strange indeed. Just pisses me of when people say "this players , coz's he got no pace" typical stupid statement i hear so often.

Agreed.

I just hope he knows more about women than football for his sake...

being nicknamed Solskjaer as a uni footballer helped a lot with the ladies actually...

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:39 pm

Effes wrote:When I said deciding factor I was referring to Manu last season and Man U this season.

Saying Ronaldo (I'm not saying you, but generally) is too easy.

I think alot of things.

Evra's clearly picked up this year and looked a decent player.

Vidic last year looked excellent some days, then lacking in confidence others.

I think having Scholes back and on form's obviously been a massive factor and having Carrick instead of O'Shea or Smith playing centrally. Also allowing Giggs to play in his natural position. No matter what people say about Carrick, he's a massive improvement on what they had there last season.

I think Saha adds to there team things that van Nistlerooy didn't without making them a worse side, obviously he scores less, buthe works harder and brings others into play alot better, he's also better with his back to goal and less selfish and Obviously Ronaldo's stepped up a level.

On top of all that they're pretty much settled and theres practically no debate about who there best 11 is. Where as I think if you ask even the most "clued up" Liverpool fans they would all say different things.

by **Fowler_E7** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:41 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
Effes wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:I've had this arguement many times with re. tactics.

Not for a second do I believe thats hindered us massively this season. I think its personel. I said this under Houllier, as long as you play to your strengths and are good enough it doesn't matter weather you're a defensive or attacking unit.

You need the required quality, luck with injuries a good enough system (be it defensively or attacking) and then you're in business.

Agree Stu, when you compare Man U this season with Chelsea the 2 previous seasons, then you get a good comparison between attcking/defensive systems.

Chelsea played a defensive way, offset by the fact that playing 4-3-3 with quality like Robben , Duff, Drogba meant they had the quality to get the goals.

What's been the difference between Manu last season and this season? ( I know Ronaldo has been ten times better than last season, but..)
Maybe the manager has been the deciding factor.

That's where I think Rafa may not be someone to radically change a team around in order to get the Prem title.

Time will tell; but it seems everyone is pinning their hopes on a big cash spend in the Summer.

All I'm saying is, even with that, I'm not convinced Rafa can still deliver.

I dont think he can instill that mentality required to win the Prem - too much science/tactics.

The deciding factor is Effes they missed Terry, Carvalho, Cudicini and Cech all at same period for a period of about 6 games in which they conceeded goals and lost points mate.

3 of which were at Anfield. Had Carvalho and Terry played I doubt we'd have been able to break them down.

Had they kept Gallas and Huth instead of having to play Essien and Ferreira at the back then they'd have been a hell of a lot more difficult to break down.

People seem to forget that when they talk about us beating Chelsea this season. The fact is, when they have there strongest back four out, we struggle badly to break them down.

And lets be honest, we struggle against anyone to break them down, so we're bound to struggle against one of the leagues best.

agree about us struggling to break the top teams down. With us we always have lots of possesion in good areas but is either completly wasted a lot of the time, usually with a poor cross, or with the midfielder turning around and going backwards. The main reason for this IMO has been the lack of a quality left winger, we have been handicapped in this position all season. Gonzalez has pace but no end product, Zendens garbage and Aurelio's a left back. Riise is useful there, but we need a winger not a left midfielder. We need someone to carry the ball, whip in a ball of quality and who can chip in with his fair share of goals too. Basically we need to fill the void left by Harry Kewell

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:42 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch. Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

stu...when did you start supporting liverpool?

10.09.1983 at 6:08am.

Again what relivance does that have "Solskjaer"?

because i don't think you've been to anfield in your life. I bet you thought Ian rush was class until he got a free transfer and scored 1 goal in his season at leeds

what a moron.

Where were you in Istanbul?

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:43 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch. Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

stu...when did you start supporting liverpool?

10.09.1983 at 6:08am.

Again what relivance does that have "Solskjaer"

because i don't think you've been to anfield in your life. I bet you thought Ian rush was class until he got a free transfer and scored 1 goal in his season at leeds

what a moron.

Where were you in Istanbul?

at uni in Durham...you know the place where those strange things called books are

Do you work at a call centre?

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:45 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch. Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

stu...when did you start supporting liverpool?

10.09.1983 at 6:08am.

Again what relivance does that have "Solskjaer"?

because i don't think you've been to anfield in your life. I bet you thought Ian rush was class until he got a free transfer and scored 1 goal in his season at leeds

what a moron.

See, you bang on about me with "abuse" etc, yet if you look at every quote in this post, (theres a few) not once did I abuse you in any way shape or form.

All I am going to say to you is... :kungfu:

I'll leave it at that. Have the last word, make yourself look like a bigger fool. You've done a good job so far, so much so even other members such as Fowler_E7, LFC#1 and Bad Bob felt the need to get involved...

:laugh:

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:48 pm

stu..you're either 14 or just stupid. I've tried to have a conversation about Liverpool and the factor aging players have on a squad and its quality, but you honestly don't understand the basics of an argument and having a context within it. No doubt you thought Barnes and Rush were legends...even when it was obvious they weren't good enough. Either way, i'll leave you with your 'expert' ideas you no doubt get from Football manager.

by **Rafa D** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:03 pm

Your wrecking my thread.

Your both a pair of penises

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:04 pm

Rafa-Dodd wrote:Your wrecking my thread.

Your both a pair of penises

sorry Rafa

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:04 pm

Rafa-Dodd wrote:Your wrecking my thread.

Your both a pair of penises

Better being a willy than a fat munchkin.

by **Rafa D** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:07 pm

In all seriousness it depends who's willy you are Stu. If I was mine, or any footballers willy it would be laughing - shagging fit birds all the time.

If you were someone like daxy or lando you'd be helmeting up the shittiest ars.es in Birkenhead/ Wool land .

Kewell - Apology accepted

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:28 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:Infact why don't we sell Gerrard?

He may not want to spend another season playing in the same team as completely inferior players.

If I recall correctly, Gerrard hasn't performed at his best either this season. He certainly hasn't repeated his antics of the past two years. You singled out players like Sissoko, Kuyt, Alonso, and Crouch as being bad signings on Rafa's behalf. Yet, from what I've seen of these players this season, they've given as much effort as any in the team, including our so called best player and the hub of the team, Gerrard. Have you forgotten some of the 'important' goals crouch has scored for us? The lad has given sweat, and even his own blood for the cause.

Then you mention players like Anelka as being a so called quality priority target for Rafa? Are you for real? As I remember, we had that whinging sack of :censored:

before, and he never made the grade under an inferior manager at the time, so why should he be good enough for us now?

It's time people stopped moaning about some of Rafa's signings and get behind him. We are now feared once again on the continent, and it's only a matter of time (and patients) before we crack the league too.

As someone said, next season's side will be a good step closer to the real Rafa Benitez's Liverpool FC now that he has the means to realise it. If we arn't winning, or at least finishing a very close second in the league next season, then any complaints directed towards Rafa and his signings will be just!

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