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7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

Stu.Murph wrote:

redtrader74 wrote:

Penguins wrote:Get real.
U ask me if the side is good enough to win the title.
I say no way.
Is that Rafa's fault?
I say no way?
Why is it that Rafa has been forced to make changes each season every year?
Cause of Houlliers dead wood that was a mess and is still in the works of being taken care of. Those wasted 50 million by Houllier set us back years since we don't have the kind of money manure and Chelski have.

And Houllier got 7 years!!!
He won 1 uefa cup and one FA cup. Missed top 4 and champions league football a few of those years.
Rafa was the most succesful manager the 1st 2 years than any Liverpool manager. So this might be the 1st without a title. Compared to what Manure has built up the last 10 years and Maureen spent the last few years, Rafa has had to work with. And still won titles!

Traore, Baros, Smicer, Dudek. All players that may be ok for Villas and Blackburns of the world. They still got a european cup!
Rafa took over a shattered side 04 when Owen was going, gerrard was thinking of going and almost no money cause of the money invested in Diao, Diouf, Cheyrou, Le Tallec, Cisse.
has had to work like crazy to find any takers for those players over the years and still Le tallec, Cisse is on the books.
Not only that Chelski became a team Houllier never had to face. Bought players for hundreds of millions and rafa still beat them in the semis with Dudek, Traore, etc. Only a magician could do that.

But some live in the 70´s and 80´s still thinking we have a good given right to win. We are now the underdog every year. Even Tottenhams and Newcastles of the world spend more than us and get better sponsorship deals!
In todays football spending most normally means best chance at the title. We spend around 4th-5th most and still can end 3rd. Not a disaster to me. I also dream of winning the title but if anyone can make it happen in todays world Rafa can. Whoeever we replace him with will not do a better job with the resources Liverpool has given Rafa.

Too fu(king right. any clowns who think that Rafa needs to go should we not win the title next year are talking out their ar5ehole.

It aint the 70s 80s, then the spending between the top clubs and the mid league was a difference of 3-5milllion.

If you want to blame someone look at the previous board, they let Houllier spend sh1tloads on nobodies, marketing is from the 50's.
Where has LFC tv been? where are our superstores?? let me tell you we could bang a store in the centre of Oxford street, we have millions of supporters.

Rafa is the man to take us forward, and in any case there is no replacement for him.

So we have to blame Houllier for Rafa's failings?

I've heard it all now.

Stu.Murph wrote:I've had this arguement many times with re. tactics.

Not for a second do I believe thats hindered us massively this season. I think its personel. I said this under Houllier, as long as you play to your strengths and are good enough it doesn't matter weather you're a defensive or attacking unit.

You need the required quality, luck with injuries a good enough system (be it defensively or attacking) and then you're in business.

7_Kewell wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch.  Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering  that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Bamaga man wrote:Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez has warned a host of his stars that their futures are on the line.

Benitez has revealed that he launched an uncharacteristic attack on his own players following their UEFA Champions League semi-final first leg defeat to Chelsea earlier this week.

The 2005 European champions went down 1-0 at Stamford Bridge and Benitez was furious with the display he witnessed and he told a number of players they are playing for their futures at the club.

"Yes I was very angry after the first game. I was angry with myself, my staff and my players because we had not performed," Benitez told the Sunday Mirror.

"I cannot analyse the future of a player in one or two games, but some players must realise that they are playing for a European Cup final and for their futures.

"Things can change quickly and decisions over whether you stay with a top side or leave do depend on these next weeks.

"From the outside people think I am calm and often that is the best way to get your message across even if you are angry inside.

"But this was the semi-final of the Champions League and I had to shout to get through to the players that they were wasting an opportunity."

Talks with Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Xabi Alonso, Jose Reina and Steve Finnan have all taken place in recent months - but Benitez confirmed that all new deals have been put on on hold.

"I have told the club to stop the negotiations because I want total concentration for the rest of the season," he confirmed.



That article was taken from sky sports.

Fowler_E7 wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch.  Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering  that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

When did i say that he should play every week? i still thank that hes a more than usefull player for us and could still do a job though. The reason i pointed your post out was beacuse your arguments against Fowler are pathetic, so what if he isnt that fast, he never was that quick. He was no slouch, he still aint but Folwer really had pace as a major weapon. The face he can still link the play, head and shoot better than the rest of our strike force, which IMO makes him useful.

Stu.Murph wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:What planet are you on?

   you really have NO IDEA about what a context is within an arguement, do you stu?  Perhaps you should have gone to uni instead of insulting people who did. Perhaps then you would be able to hold a complete discussion.  I.e- my point about Fowler is its similarities with previous legends who have stay too long at our club...but you are either too stupid to know this or only started supporting liverpool in 2000.

Complete a discussion?

Pot, kettle, black. Nuff said.

thats it stu...avoid it all and hope i go away with my long words i 'red in boks'

7_Kewell wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch.  Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering  that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

Stu.Murph wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch.  Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering  that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

Effes wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:I've had this arguement many times with re. tactics.

Not for a second do I believe thats hindered us massively this season. I think its personel. I said this under Houllier, as long as you play to your strengths and are good enough it doesn't matter weather you're a defensive or attacking unit.

You need the required quality, luck with injuries a good enough system (be it defensively or attacking) and then you're in business.

Agree Stu, when you compare Man U this season with Chelsea the 2 previous seasons, then you get a good comparison between attcking/defensive systems.

Chelsea played a defensive way, offset by the fact that playing 4-3-3 with quality like Robben , Duff, Drogba meant they had the quality to get the goals.

What's been the difference between Manu last season and this season? ( I know Ronaldo has been ten times better than last season, but..)
Maybe the manager has been the deciding factor.

That's where I think Rafa may not be someone to radically change a team around in order to get the Prem title.

Time will tell; but it seems everyone is pinning their hopes on a big cash spend in the Summer.

All I'm saying is, even with that, I'm not convinced Rafa can still deliver.

I dont think he can instill that mentality required to win the Prem - too much science/tactics.

Stu.Murph wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch.  Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering  that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

dont worry i wont, jus find his views on things very strange indeed. Just pisses me of when people say "this players , coz's he got no pace" typical stupid statement i hear so often.

Fowler_E7 wrote:

Stu.Murph wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:

Fowler_E7 wrote:

7_Kewell wrote:The premier league is about pace and Fowler has lost ALL of his. If he gets the ball deep he struggles...and badly.

ur an absolute idiot, and a typical no nothing football fan, who thinks footballs all about pace and getting stuck in. Pace is not everything for a striker there is a lot more to it than that. And as for Fowler having lost all his pace, he may have slowed down over the years but he is no slower than Kuyt, Crouch,Carragher, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano, so what is ur point exactly? I didnt see Fowler struggling yesterday even though it was his first start in 9 games, he looked lively and fairly sharped and was much better than Craig Bellamy who i suppose you thought was great because he ran fast down the channels

I really can't be bothered to talk to 2 idiots at once. If you think Fowler is a top quiality premiership striker who should be at our club and play in every game then you're plain wrong. I was at the Everton match with a load of mates in the away end...it was painful to watch.  Just as it was painful to watch Robbie fall on his a*se a dozen times against PSV. Believe what you want, he's a legend but he's NOT a premiership striker.

People said the same about Rush when he went off the boil.."give him 1 more season" but he was past it and it showed when he went to Leeds and Newcastle. I find it staggering  that people want to compile on the previous mistakes our club made in the 90’s…keeping aging players who can’t cut it anymore.

Fowler_E7...

Don't take it personally, he can't stand the fact I called it right about Robbie last season and he called it wrong. Thats all.

dont worry i wont, jus find his views on things very strange indeed. Just pisses me of when people say "this players , coz's he got no pace" typical stupid statement i hear so often.

strange?  Am i the ONLY person here who watched liverpool during the early 90's?