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by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:39 pm

Peter Crouch and Dirk Kuyt NEVER play one touch football and always stop the ball going forward when there back is turned to goal.

People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Fowler also turns on the ball and faces the goal alot more than both of these players, which again is something that helps build momentum.

The main Reason Rooney's so dangerous is everytime the ball goes into him, he turns. Its always quick, he turns, then he's a threat all of a sudden. Although comparing Fowler now to Rooney is a bit dramatic, they still have similar football intelligence in deeper positions and do similar things, IE the turns, passes etc.

by **Leonmc0708** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:57 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:Peter Crouch and Dirk Kuyt NEVER play one touch football and always stop the ball going forward when there back is turned to goal.

People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Fowler also turns on the ball and faces the goal alot more than both of these players, which again is something that helps build momentum.

The main Reason Rooney's so dangerous is everytime the ball goes into him, he turns. Its always quick, he turns, then he's a threat all of a sudden. Although comparing Fowler now to Rooney is a bit dramatic, they still have similar football intelligence in deeper positions and do similar things, IE the turns, passes etc.

I like your posts Stu, but sometimes I think you get yer knickers in a twist and forget to engage your brain before you post.

Crouch and Kuyt will have done that mate, so to say never and put it in capitals so as to emphasise the point only serves to emphasise your lack of knowledge on the subject.

If Robbie had been back to his best, then we would have seen it.

You make out like Rafa has a vendetta against robbie, however I know for a fact that truth is quite the opposite.

Sad as it is, Robbie is past it mate, and trying to make out like he isnt makes you look biased in your position.

by **BOODIDDY** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:29 pm

stu is bck on form. calling all us woolies. don't you just love him? Shall i start calling him stu the blue again:p

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:43 pm

am i reading this right....

we should give up on 3rd place just so we can play Fowler up front in a weakened team?

:laugh:

Why not get Rush back and put Molby in midfield

by **weringo** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:46 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Crouch did exactly that against the barcodes last year just to name one occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkIannA3Uw

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:51 pm

weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Crouch did exactly that against the barcodes last year just to name one occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkIannA3Uw

its pointless arguing...Fowler was given a last chance against PSV...and for most of the match he was off the pace, on his backside or passing the ball out of play. Yes he passed the ball back into play to let Crouch score...but come on. Would anyone here be happy if Fowler started against Chelsea next week?

To claim that Rafa should give up on 3rd place (and an extra 500k in prize money) is stupidity. As someone said, its sad to watch a legend trying to play when his time has gone. Thing is, at 32 Fowler should have another 3 years left in him.

by **MillyLFC** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:59 pm

For the benifit of this debate i would say that Robbie is past his best, however does (when given the chance) still show glimpses of his old magic best.
Crouch has improved ten fold IMO and does a job for us when called upon.
Kuyt, well, i must admit i was so excited about this signing but with every passing game i see more and more faults in his game. He is IMO, a mediocre hitman, meaning, he is average in terms of a preditory goalscorer. His work rate is excellent but his first touch is shocking for a supposed 'world class striker'.
IMO, none of the above are good enough to help win us our first premiership title.
For me, the summer can't come soon enough, so that we can atleast strengthen the area with a world class striker that our immense midfield is crying out for.

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:11 pm

weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Crouch did exactly that against the barcodes last year just to name one occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkIannA3Uw

Infront means closer to the goal lad when I went to school.

The points clear, Crouch didn't show great vision to play that pass, that was Gerrard being exceptional and Crouch doing what his team mate wanted. His touch, intelligence and quality made that goal, not Crouchies, It was a fantastic goal and Crouch done well, but he didn't do anythin in that goal any half decent player couldn't have done and I defy anybody to say otherwise.

Crouch always wants to stop, put a foot on the ball and pass it backwards, Robbie doesn't always want to do that. Thats his last resort, thats where the difference in vision, intelligence and quality comes in.

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:15 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Crouch did exactly that against the barcodes last year just to name one occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkIannA3Uw

its pointless arguing...Fowler was given a last chance against PSV...and for most of the match he was off the pace, on his backside or passing the ball out of play. Yes he passed the ball back into play to let Crouch score...but come on. Would anyone here be happy if Fowler started against Chelsea next week?

To claim that Rafa should give up on 3rd place (and an extra 500k in prize money) is stupidity. As someone said, its sad to watch a legend trying to play when his time has gone. Thing is, at 32 Fowler should have another 3 years left in him.

You're just a thick, biased, ignorant stupid ponce who can't stand the fact Robbie proved me right last season and rammed the words back down your throat. Its not even worth discussing football with you as you've proved many times in the past, when challenged by myself, Ivor, Scottbot, Ace Ventura and just about everyone else with an ounce of knowledge you don't have valid reasons or opinions for thinking the way you do.

At the end of the day, very few people on this site actually understand the game, you certainly aren't one of them and the majority of good posters would go along with that, now run along "Solskjaer" and go and play with your uni friends.

by **weringo** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:19 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Crouch did exactly that against the barcodes last year just to name one occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkIannA3Uw

Infront means closer to the goal lad when I went to school.

The points clear, Crouch didn't show great vision to play that pass, that was Gerrard being exceptional and Crouch doing what his team mate wanted. His touch, intelligence and quality made that goal, not Crouchies, It was a fantastic goal and Crouch done well, but he didn't do anythin in that goal any half decent player couldn't have done and I defy anybody to say otherwise.

Crouch always wants to stop, put a foot on the ball and pass it backwards, Robbie doesn't always want to do that. Thats his last resort, thats where the difference in vision, intelligence and quality comes in.

Last i checked "in front of him" means in front of him, if the player was closer to the goal when he had is back turned then he would be "behind him". What I think you meant to say was "ahead of him" which you could have just pointed out instead of making a sarcastic remark, but the point is Crouch played a one touch pass back to Gerrard which resulted in a goal.

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:23 pm

weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Crouch did exactly that against the barcodes last year just to name one occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkIannA3Uw

Infront means closer to the goal lad when I went to school.

The points clear, Crouch didn't show great vision to play that pass, that was Gerrard being exceptional and Crouch doing what his team mate wanted. His touch, intelligence and quality made that goal, not Crouchies, It was a fantastic goal and Crouch done well, but he didn't do anythin in that goal any half decent player couldn't have done and I defy anybody to say otherwise.

Crouch always wants to stop, put a foot on the ball and pass it backwards, Robbie doesn't always want to do that. Thats his last resort, thats where the difference in vision, intelligence and quality comes in.

Last i checked "in front of him" means in front of him, if the player was closer to the goal when he had is back turned then he would be "behind him". What I think you meant to say was "ahead of him" which you could have just pointed out instead of making a sarcastic remark, but the point is Crouch played a one touch pass back to Gerrard which resulted in a goal.

The point is it was average. It was only Crouch doing what any decent player would have done. I'd have looked to do that myself in the same position.

What Fowler done for Gerrard's goal against Sheffield shown, vision, intelligence, technique and speed of thought. He created it, Gerrard created that goal at Newcastle for Gerrard with a peice of magic. Simple as that.

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:35 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Crouch did exactly that against the barcodes last year just to name one occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkIannA3Uw

its pointless arguing...Fowler was given a last chance against PSV...and for most of the match he was off the pace, on his backside or passing the ball out of play. Yes he passed the ball back into play to let Crouch score...but come on. Would anyone here be happy if Fowler started against Chelsea next week?

To claim that Rafa should give up on 3rd place (and an extra 500k in prize money) is stupidity. As someone said, its sad to watch a legend trying to play when his time has gone. Thing is, at 32 Fowler should have another 3 years left in him.

You're just a thick, biased, ignorant stupid ponce who can't stand the fact Robbie proved me right last season and rammed the words back down your throat. Its not even worth discussing football with you as you've proved many times in the past, when challenged by myself, Ivor, Scottbot, Ace Ventura and just about everyone else with an ounce of knowledge you don't have valid reasons or opinions for thinking the way you do.

At the end of the day, very few people on this site actually understand the game, you certainly aren't one of them and the majority of good posters would go along with that, now run along "Solskjaer" and go and play with your uni friends.

i'm no longer at uni stu, thanks anyway

You're talking :censored:

and the your stupid poll proves it. Who the f**k in their right mind would give up 3rd place and 500k in prize money to play someone who isn't good enough anymore? You've proved nothing and this season i've had my point made simple by Rafa. Fowler isn't up to scratch, he can't play 90 mins of top level football and he's too slow. As someone said, its like watching your dad at a wedding on the dancefloor...cringeworthy.

But he WAS a legend...but he's not now and hasn't been a top level striker for a few years. But hey, run along stu and play with your police workmates....hang on :laugh:

by **MillyLFC** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:37 pm

Having not read back far enough, i'm not fully aware of the reasons for this debate.
What i do know is that, it does seem a little irrelivent.
Neither Fowler nor Crouch will be first choice strikers next season, providing we do buy this world class striker everyone keeps talking about.
Fowler will be gone.
Crouch will be played in selective games and kept on the bench with the option of bringing him on to add something 'different' when required.
Raffa (when he has a striker he rates highly) is renowned for playing with one up, a playmaking midfielder with ability to score (Gerrard) behind him and two high class wingers pushing on creating chances and chipping in with their fair share of goals. He then likes two defensive midfielders (Mascherano, Alonso) sitting, breaking up the play and dispatching to more advanced players. All these playing infront of a solid back four (which we already have) and a goalkeeper whose agile and has good concentration levels.
Fowler and Crouch do not fit in to this system.

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:37 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Crouch did exactly that against the barcodes last year just to name one occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkIannA3Uw

Infront means closer to the goal lad when I went to school.

The points clear, Crouch didn't show great vision to play that pass, that was Gerrard being exceptional and Crouch doing what his team mate wanted. His touch, intelligence and quality made that goal, not Crouchies, It was a fantastic goal and Crouch done well, but he didn't do anythin in that goal any half decent player couldn't have done and I defy anybody to say otherwise.

Crouch always wants to stop, put a foot on the ball and pass it backwards, Robbie doesn't always want to do that. Thats his last resort, thats where the difference in vision, intelligence and quality comes in.

Last i checked "in front of him" means in front of him, if the player was closer to the goal when he had is back turned then he would be "behind him". What I think you meant to say was "ahead of him" which you could have just pointed out instead of making a sarcastic remark, but the point is Crouch played a one touch pass back to Gerrard which resulted in a goal.

The point is it was average. It was only Crouch doing what any decent player would have done. I'd have looked to do that myself in the same position.

What Fowler done for Gerrard's goal against Sheffield shown, vision, intelligence, technique and speed of thought. He created it, Gerrard created that goal at Newcastle for Gerrard with a peice of magic. Simple as that.

if Crouch does something its 'average'...if Fowler does the same thing its magic... :laugh:

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:45 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
weringo wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:People bang on about these attributes like they are good things. But they make you predictable and stiffle attacking flair. Gerrard's goal against Sheffield United being a prime example, Fowler played one touch with his back to goal to a player who was infront of him, when has Kuyt or Crouch ever done that?

Crouch did exactly that against the barcodes last year just to name one occasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkIannA3Uw

Infront means closer to the goal lad when I went to school.

The points clear, Crouch didn't show great vision to play that pass, that was Gerrard being exceptional and Crouch doing what his team mate wanted. His touch, intelligence and quality made that goal, not Crouchies, It was a fantastic goal and Crouch done well, but he didn't do anythin in that goal any half decent player couldn't have done and I defy anybody to say otherwise.

Crouch always wants to stop, put a foot on the ball and pass it backwards, Robbie doesn't always want to do that. Thats his last resort, thats where the difference in vision, intelligence and quality comes in.

Last i checked "in front of him" means in front of him, if the player was closer to the goal when he had is back turned then he would be "behind him". What I think you meant to say was "ahead of him" which you could have just pointed out instead of making a sarcastic remark, but the point is Crouch played a one touch pass back to Gerrard which resulted in a goal.

The point is it was average. It was only Crouch doing what any decent player would have done. I'd have looked to do that myself in the same position.

What Fowler done for Gerrard's goal against Sheffield shown, vision, intelligence, technique and speed of thought. He created it, Gerrard created that goal at Newcastle for Gerrard with a peice of magic. Simple as that.

if Crouch does something its 'average'...if Fowler does the same thing its magic...

This completely and utterly shows your lack of understanding of football 100%.

Why do you even bother with attempting to talk about something you know absoloutely nothing about?

What exactly did Crouch do there than any Sunday league player couldn't? :laugh:

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