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by **azriahmad** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:39 am

Third spot, no sentiments.

Kuyt had a tremendous scoring record at Feyenoord but at Liverpool, he often drops deep to link up and always runs his socks off and works so much for the team. It is not Kuyt's fault that we have pr!cks on the wing who can't cross a half decent ball until just recently in the case of Pennant and a pretty stupid (he only runs and runs but at least he is parpared to work hard to please his manager) and largely ineffective "best player in Chile". I bet that if we have real flying wingers (like the ones David Villa gets to enjoy at Valencia) who can beat people and deliver proper crosses (they don't have to be killer crosses) and Kuyt does not have to drop deep so much, we'd get closer to the 20+ goals from Kuyt that he did so regularly for Feyenoord.

Ribbie was great, he is still a natural but he won't be able to reproduce his best form for us as he is past his prime.

by **Ciggy** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:54 am

Rafa is not sentimental he loved Morientes but got rid, I dont think Robbie was on the bench yesterday due to the fact is he knows he's going, Rafa knows he is going, and we know he's going.
So Bellamy was on the bench for Rafa to decide over the next few games to keep him or sell on at the end of the season.
One things certain for me, I prefer Robbie to stay over this Voronin fella coming.
Maybe thats wrong from me because I havent seen the fella play, but I dont think he is a player we need.
Time will tell I suppose.
But we must all be grateful that Rafa brought Robbie back in the first place to hopefully end his days at his beloved club.

by **jkop** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:22 am

Ciggy wrote:Rafa is not sentimental he loved Morientes but got rid, I dont think Robbie was on the bench yesterday due to the fact is he knows he's going, Rafa knows he is going, and we know he's going.
So Bellamy was on the bench for Rafa to decide over the next few games to keep him or sell on at the end of the season.
One things certain for me, I prefer Robbie to stay over this Voronin fella coming.
Maybe thats wrong from me because I havent seen the fella play, but I dont think he is a player we need.
Time will tell I suppose.
But we must all be grateful that Rafa brought Robbie back in the first place to hopefully end his days at his beloved club.

Good post Ciggy and its true what you have said about Robbie playing his last games for Liverpool, nothing would be more emotional for him to play his last game in front of a full house at Anfield, and maybe scoring the winner.

by **66-1120597113** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:54 am

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:can someone explain to me what a real fan is.

Like Leon ya have to be nasty and look like the fat controller!

Thats a real fan...or ya can get ones in Argos that have 3 speeds and blow! :nod

by **Owzat** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:09 am

I must admit I'm a little surprised and disappointed Fowler hasn't played more, especially since we should be resting players and should be beating teams like Wigan without needing too many 'big guns'. There's no reason we can't get enough points at Fulham, Pompey and home to Charlton with Fowler in the XI or at least sub

In my opinion Robbie should get a one year extension, I have a horrible feeling he won't.

Home

1. Kuyt - 10 goals in 22 appearances (0.455 goals/app)
2. Fowler - 7 goals in 17 appearances (0.412 goals/app)
3. Crouch - 17 goals in 49 appearances (0.347 goals/app)
4. Bellamy - 3 goals in 15 appearances (0.200 goals/app)

Away

1. Fowler - 6 goals in 16 appearances (0.375 goals/app)
2. Crouch - 11 goals in 41 appearances (0.268 goals/app)
3. Bellamy - 6 goals in 23 appearances (0.261 goals/app)
4. Kuyt - 3 goals in 22 appearances (0.136 goals/app)

If only those Robbie stats were based on just this season and not since his return. Bellamy is doing his best to make Crouch look good.

And if Rafa were reading the forums he must have seen these stats, if not then they have been posted elsewhere and other Liverpool sites

by **dawson99** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:22 am

stu the bore in robbie fowler shock horror thread.

just maybe he hasnt played more because hes not as good in training or showing as much desire? the fact is that Kuyt was there, he got us 2 goals. Maybe Robbie should have played or been on the bench, but if not, then theres a reason. If Robbie was our best striker..end of, then why hasnt rafa played him? is he that inept stu? or does he just know a shedload mroe than you and your stats from years gone by

lets wait for the Rafa, buy dean ashton thread :sleep

by **Owzat** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 10:39 am

Rafa may simply value the workload of Kuyt, the pace of Bellamy or the perceived abilities of Crouch over Fowler. In other words he may not be a stats believer, there are plenty who don't. He may like the comfort of believing he is right in the face of evidence, a bit like the England cricket captain and selectors. Did you know Vaughan averages a mere 19.29 opening in ODIs yet insists on opening? Did you know he averages near 50 opening in Tests so bats at no 3 where he averages just 37.84?

Is he right or statistics? He can't believe in statistics or he'd not be opening in ODIs and at no 3 in Tests. Obviously he's happier in his own mind batting where he does, perhaps Rafa is happier playing Kuyt, Bellamy and Crouch ahead of Fowler for similar reasons

by **Leonmc0708** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:07 pm

Stu.Murph wrote:
fivecups wrote:I'm not going to condemn Rafa for not playing Robbie today - I've hardly ever predicted his starting eleven and usually he wins.

I want both. I always want Liverpool to finish as high as possible. Yes, in terms of CL qualification it doesn't matter, but finishing above Arsenal in the league, finishing in the top 3 instead of fourth matters.

I would like to see Rafa give Robbie 90 minutes against Fulham/ Charlton and I think he'll probably do that. He has room for sentiment but only if he's sure that it will not compromise Liverpool's results. I applaud him for that - thats the sort of manager I want in charge of LFC.

Would Robbie weaken a Liverpool team? Probably slightly, but only slightly. If I had to pick one of our strikers to leave it would be Robbie - he's not as good as Crouch, Kuyt or Bellamy - NOW. Rafa knows it and so does everyone else, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about big send-offs.

Robbie is still our best striker. End of.

Stu I think your letting your heart rule your head mate.

The heart is willing but the body simply is not able any more.

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:11 pm

dawson99 wrote:stu the bore in robbie fowler shock horror thread.

just maybe he hasnt played more because hes not as good in training or showing as much desire? the fact is that Kuyt was there, he got us 2 goals. Maybe Robbie should have played or been on the bench, but if not, then theres a reason. If Robbie was our best striker..end of, then why hasnt rafa played him? is he that inept stu? or does he just know a shedload mroe than you and your stats from years gone by

lets wait for the Rafa, buy dean ashton thread

I'm off, I'm leaving the forum for good. To many people are upsetting me.

If you don't like the thread, don't post in it you jumped up southern fanny. Do us all a favour, support ya local team and :censored:

off.

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:13 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
Stu.Murph wrote:
fivecups wrote:I'm not going to condemn Rafa for not playing Robbie today - I've hardly ever predicted his starting eleven and usually he wins.

I want both. I always want Liverpool to finish as high as possible. Yes, in terms of CL qualification it doesn't matter, but finishing above Arsenal in the league, finishing in the top 3 instead of fourth matters.

I would like to see Rafa give Robbie 90 minutes against Fulham/ Charlton and I think he'll probably do that. He has room for sentiment but only if he's sure that it will not compromise Liverpool's results. I applaud him for that - thats the sort of manager I want in charge of LFC.

Would Robbie weaken a Liverpool team? Probably slightly, but only slightly. If I had to pick one of our strikers to leave it would be Robbie - he's not as good as Crouch, Kuyt or Bellamy - NOW. Rafa knows it and so does everyone else, otherwise we wouldn't be talking about big send-offs.

Robbie is still our best striker. End of.

Stu I think your letting your heart rule your head mate.

The heart is willing but the body simply is not able any more.

We were a better side last season.

Fowler was better at the end of last season than ALL of our forwards have been so far in this one.

Don't sit there and say to me he's lost anything he had last season. He hasn't.

by **dawson99** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:13 pm

i posted what i thought. just that you having ago at rafa for doing something which a lot of people agree with. and adding some friendly banter which upset you.

Robbie was a god at liverpool, but now like leon said, times they are a changing

by **MillyLFC** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:17 pm

http://nonstopsoccer.proboards83.com/index.cgi

Try the new general football forum

by **Sabre** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:18 pm

support ya local team

A classic!!

It was ages since I don't read this here :laugh:

To be honest Stu, I do share some of your views about Robbie, I think he's a goal poacher, and if he was given continuous games, he'd be scoring. He's not that old as some point out.

He doesn't play more, because to play two strikers Rafa doesn't seem to be willing to play a goal poacher, he needs more work. But still, I feel he should had have more games in his pocket. Both last season, and this one.

I don't agree though that he's the best of the lot. He's the best of the lot finnishing, but analysing the whole thing that Crouch anf Kuyt provides, I don't agree.

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:23 pm

Owzat wrote:Rafa may simply value the workload of Kuyt, the pace of Bellamy or the perceived abilities of Crouch over Fowler. In other words he may not be a stats believer, there are plenty who don't. He may like the comfort of believing he is right in the face of evidence, a bit like the England cricket captain and selectors. Did you know Vaughan averages a mere 19.29 opening in ODIs yet insists on opening? Did you know he averages near 50 opening in Tests so bats at no 3 where he averages just 37.84?

Is he right or statistics? He can't believe in statistics or he'd not be opening in ODIs and at no 3 in Tests. Obviously he's happier in his own mind batting where he does, perhaps Rafa is happier playing Kuyt, Bellamy and Crouch ahead of Fowler for similar reasons

Its not all about stats. Infact I don't like that arguement If I'm honest. Its just plain to see the difference in quality, intelligence, vision and touch.

Its like saying Bergkamp wasn't as good a player as Owen because Owen scored more goals. The fact is though they were pretty equal in terms of ability, just very different.

Fowler's easily better than all our strikers. Do I think he's the answer... not really, especially not long term... do I think he's still one of the best in the league? No. But he is better than Kuyt, Crouch and Bellamy and they aren't an improvement on Robbie. Its shown this season by the way we look as a team and the ability we lack going forward. Fowler's capable of a clever one two, a shot from distance, an instinctive finish, a clever flick. None of the others are.

The only differences in the attacking line up this season really have been the two strikers and left winger and a centre half.

At the end of last season I said we needed at least one top class striker and another option on the right wing.

We got the option on the right wing and have been unfortunate in Kewell situation but now I see a far worse problem.

We NEED two strikers (not one) and a centre half and either Kewell to stay fit for the entire season or a new left winger who's better than Harry.

Last season's team was far better than this seasons. We MUST IMPROVE dramatically this summer and there can be no excuses what so ever.

by **Stu.Murph** » Sun Apr 22, 2007 5:27 pm

dawson99 wrote:i posted what i thought. just that you having ago at rafa for doing something which a lot of people agree with. and adding some friendly banter which upset you.

Robbie was a god at liverpool, but now like leon said, times they are a changing

It was called sarcasm.

As if I'd leave the forum over some nonce like you. As for the "friendly banter", shove it up your backside. I really don't like you and I don't respect your clueless opinions on a team that you've probably never seen play live in your life.

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