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by **Espionage** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:06 am

1. What do you think Stevie G's best position is?

2. What is his best position for Liverpool, when taking into account our current squad and tactical preference?
Is it different from question 1?
If so then what does it change to, and why?

3. Momo and Alonso make a very good partnership (and have a lot of potential to grow), do you think that it is worth sticking with these guys and letting Gerrard fill whatever midfield role which is weakest?

4. Gerrard playing right/free-role with Momo and Xabi central gave very good results last season. Fans loved it when Gerrard played well, and said that it wasnt his fault when he played poorly (as it was the fact that he wasnt playing central/got isolated/etc). Is this another case of people blaming the manager when its the fault of the player? Or has Rafa got it wrong?

5. Do you think that at the end of his career he will look back at his flexability as being a blessing or a curse?

bonus question: A few people have suggested that Gerrard will leave at the end of the season after a frustrating year becasue he was played out of position all season. Do you think that this is true?

by **The_Rock** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:20 am

Espionage wrote:1. What do you think Stevie G's best position is?

My opinion is that gerrard best position is as a support striker.. cos he has all the attributes needed to play that role. I even think he is the best support striker we have in this club (ie....In my ideal team Kujt and gerrard play striker while bellamy plays as a RW. But is bellamy

2. What is his best position for Liverpool, when taking into account our current squad and tactical preference?
Is it different from question 1?
If so then what does it change to, and why?

Can't be ar$ed to answer so much...But like to say if alonso is off-form...then he current best position in the club is central midfield (until alonso gets back to his best)

3. Momo and Alonso make a very good partnership (and have a lot of potential to grow), do you think that it is worth sticking with these guys and letting Gerrard fill whatever midfield role which is weakest?

Like i said..gerrard to play support striker.

4. Gerrard playing right/free-role with Momo and Xabi central gave very good results last season. Fans loved it when Gerrard played well, and said that it wasnt his fault when he played poorly (as it was the fact that he wasnt playing central/got isolated/etc). Is this another case of people blaming the manager when its the fault of the player? Or has Rafa got it wrong?

Gerrard ain't a RW..or even a LW. His best position is in centre with freedom to roam.

5. Do you think that at the end of his career he will look back at his flexability as being a blessing or a curse?

I predict gerrard will become one of liverpool's greatest players. So i think he will look at his career as a blessing.

bonus question: A few people have suggested that Gerrard will leave at the end of the season after a frustrating year becasue he was played out of position all season. Do you think that this is true?

Nope....Rafa has more chance of leaving than Gerrard IMO

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by **Espionage** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:41 am

The_Rock wrote:
Espionage wrote:1. What do you think Stevie G's best position is?

My opinion is that gerrard best position is as a support striker.. cos he has all the attributes needed to play that role. I even think he is the best support striker we have in this club (ie....In my ideal team Kujt and gerrard play striker while bellamy plays as a RW. But is bellamy

2. What is his best position for Liverpool, when taking into account our current squad and tactical preference?
Is it different from question 1?
If so then what does it change to, and why?

Can't be ar$ed to answer so much...But like to say if alonso is off-form...then he current best position in the club is central midfield (until alonso gets back to his best)

3. Momo and Alonso make a very good partnership (and have a lot of potential to grow), do you think that it is worth sticking with these guys and letting Gerrard fill whatever midfield role which is weakest?

Like i said..gerrard to play support striker.

4. Gerrard playing right/free-role with Momo and Xabi central gave very good results last season. Fans loved it when Gerrard played well, and said that it wasnt his fault when he played poorly (as it was the fact that he wasnt playing central/got isolated/etc). Is this another case of people blaming the manager when its the fault of the player? Or has Rafa got it wrong?

Gerrard ain't a RW..or even a LW. His best position is in centre with freedom to roam.

5. Do you think that at the end of his career he will look back at his flexability as being a blessing or a curse?

I predict gerrard will become one of liverpool's greatest players. So i think he will look at his career as a blessing.

bonus question: A few people have suggested that Gerrard will leave at the end of the season after a frustrating year becasue he was played out of position all season. Do you think that this is true?

Nope....Rafa has more chance of leaving than Gerrard IMO

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Why does it say that you are quoting me? Anyway......

In question 4 and 5 you didnt really answer the question but the rest makes sense. I just think that with Bellamy/Kuyt/Crouch all itching to play and Garcia that would happily play that supporting role Gerrard shouldnt play there. Before we bourght Kuyt I thought that Gerrard was going to spend alot of time in that second striker position.
I think that him and Bellamy would make a deadly partnership upfront, as gerrard can draw players and is always looking for that pass in behind the defense (though Kuyt seems good at it as well).

by **LFC #1** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:49 am

I can see where you are coming from but I disagree about the support striker issue rock. One of Gerrard's best attributes is his workrate and tackling, his defensive attributes are almost as good as his attacking ones. Playing him in the support striker role eliminates many strengths of his game IMO.

Stevie G is one of those very few players who can dominate a game/carry a team to victory. The best position for him to do that from is centre midfield. Sometimes he falls victim to his own brilliance, as he can play any position on the field (bar goalkeeper), therefore to accomodate other players Sissoko and Alonso (or Pennant yesterday) he gets shifted around.

by **murphy0151** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:56 am

Espionage wrote:1. What do you think Stevie G's best position is?

2. What is his best position for Liverpool, when taking into account our current squad and tactical preference?
Is it different from question 1?
If so then what does it change to, and why?

3. Momo and Alonso make a very good partnership (and have a lot of potential to grow), do you think that it is worth sticking with these guys and letting Gerrard fill whatever midfield role which is weakest?

4. Gerrard playing right/free-role with Momo and Xabi central gave very good results last season. Fans loved it when Gerrard played well, and said that it wasnt his fault when he played poorly (as it was the fact that he wasnt playing central/got isolated/etc). Is this another case of people blaming the manager when its the fault of the player? Or has Rafa got it wrong?

5. Do you think that at the end of his career he will look back at his flexability as being a blessing or a curse?

bonus question: A few people have suggested that Gerrard will leave at the end of the season after a frustrating year becasue he was played out of position all season. Do you think that this is true?

Everybody knows Gerrards best position. I think its a silly question in truth.

Id change the system to a 3-5-2 with Gerrard having a free attacking role.

For the next two home games id play all three. Alonso and Mommo sitiing in midfield letting Gerrard push forward as much as possible.

Ive never heard Gerrard saying that and if I did id thing it was the biggest load off shhhite ever. Noones to blame about playing badly other than the player himself no matter what position hes playing. How could it be wrong last season was Gerrards best season so I think Rafa got it right.

I couldnt give a flying fu.ck what Gerrard thinks at the end off his career.

Dont start with all this shiiiite again.

by **Espionage** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:07 am

murphy0151 wrote:
Espionage wrote:1. What do you think Stevie G's best position is?

2. What is his best position for Liverpool, when taking into account our current squad and tactical preference?
Is it different from question 1?
If so then what does it change to, and why?

3. Momo and Alonso make a very good partnership (and have a lot of potential to grow), do you think that it is worth sticking with these guys and letting Gerrard fill whatever midfield role which is weakest?

4. Gerrard playing right/free-role with Momo and Xabi central gave very good results last season. Fans loved it when Gerrard played well, and said that it wasnt his fault when he played poorly (as it was the fact that he wasnt playing central/got isolated/etc). Is this another case of people blaming the manager when its the fault of the player? Or has Rafa got it wrong?

5. Do you think that at the end of his career he will look back at his flexability as being a blessing or a curse?

bonus question: A few people have suggested that Gerrard will leave at the end of the season after a frustrating year becasue he was played out of position all season. Do you think that this is true?

Everybody knows Gerrards best position. I think its a silly question in truth.

Id change the system to a 3-5-2 with Gerrard having a free attacking role.

For the next two home games id play all three. Alonso and Mommo sitiing in midfield letting Gerrard push forward as much as possible.

Ive never heard Gerrard saying that and if I did id thing it was the biggest load off shhhite ever. Noones to blame about playing badly other than the player himself no matter what position hes playing. How could it be wrong last season was Gerrards best season so I think Rafa got it right.

I couldnt give a flying fu.ck what Gerrard thinks at the end off his career.

Dont start with all this shiiiite again.

1. I think that many people would disagree with that, so its not 'everybody knows".

4. I did not say that Gerrard said those things, I said that that is what I hear alot of people on this forum saying, reread the question. Personally I agree with you, I believe that its the fault of the player in most cases. E.g You cant blame Rafa if our finishing is poor, hes in charge of our tactics.

5. Maybe the question was a little vague.... Rephraised = Will he develop more or have his growth as a player stunted as a result of his flexability? Therefore will he look back at the end of his career and wish that he wasnt flexable?

bonus question. was suppposed to be a bit of a joke, taking the pis$ out of some of the garbage spouted after the Chelsea game.

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:08 pm

Espionage wrote:1. What do you think Stevie G's best position is?

2. What is his best position for Liverpool, when taking into account our current squad and tactical preference?
Is it different from question 1?
If so then what does it change to, and why?

3. Momo and Alonso make a very good partnership (and have a lot of potential to grow), do you think that it is worth sticking with these guys and letting Gerrard fill whatever midfield role which is weakest?

4. Gerrard playing right/free-role with Momo and Xabi central gave very good results last season. Fans loved it when Gerrard played well, and said that it wasnt his fault when he played poorly (as it was the fact that he wasnt playing central/got isolated/etc). Is this another case of people blaming the manager when its the fault of the player? Or has Rafa got it wrong?

5. Do you think that at the end of his career he will look back at his flexability as being a blessing or a curse?

bonus question: A few people have suggested that Gerrard will leave at the end of the season after a frustrating year becasue he was played out of position all season. Do you think that this is true?

1. Right, I think his best position is center mid, that way he's involved in everything we do. He'll drive forward, track back and thats his best position IMO.

2. Good question, I'd say right mid just to fit Sissoko in on a regular basis. But in this role it sometimes will be a lot harder for him to get into games and make an impact on a match. So I've sacrificed him to accomodate others in the team and I dont know if thats a good thing.

3. I think its worth giving it a go but Gerrard cant carry on filling in whatever is deemed our weekest position. Play him on the right and keep him there I say, let other squad members fill in thats what there their for. Unless Momo or Xabi got injured I'd keep him right.

4. In this instance Rafa shouldnt be blamed for last season, as it mostly worked out well for him on the right and Gerrard too. If Gerrard doesnt play to well thats down to him IMO. If he cant get into the game its up to him and his teamates to help him get in the match when on the pitch.
But this season, I'd point the finger at Rafa if Stevie doesnt find that brilliant form soon, because he's being moved around too much to early on, he needs to find his feet again too and with Rafa playing him here there and everywhere that will come later not sooner.

5. I havent a scooby-doo it depends on what he achieves from now until then I suppose.

I dont think its true, I hope not anyway.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:46 pm

Espionage wrote:1. What do you think Stevie G's best position is?

2. What is his best position for Liverpool, when taking into account our current squad and tactical preference?
Is it different from question 1?
If so then what does it change to, and why?

3. Momo and Alonso make a very good partnership (and have a lot of potential to grow), do you think that it is worth sticking with these guys and letting Gerrard fill whatever midfield role which is weakest?

4. Gerrard playing right/free-role with Momo and Xabi central gave very good results last season. Fans loved it when Gerrard played well, and said that it wasnt his fault when he played poorly (as it was the fact that he wasnt playing central/got isolated/etc). Is this another case of people blaming the manager when its the fault of the player? Or has Rafa got it wrong?

5. Do you think that at the end of his career he will look back at his flexability as being a blessing or a curse?

bonus question: A few people have suggested that Gerrard will leave at the end of the season after a frustrating year becasue he was played out of position all season. Do you think that this is true?

1/ central midfield

2/ right midfield as long as hes making way for Xabi and Momo and not Zenden.

3/No, I think hes wasted when played on the left or support striker, but I am happy for him to play Right or central midfield.

4/ Rafa got it right last season - Stevie played exceptionally well and Xabi and Momo seemed like the perfect pairing. If Zenden plays central and Gerrard plays right ,then I think Rafa is wrong.

5/ His flexibility will have been a bonus not only to Gerrard but to club and country, and although occasionally he may feel annoyed at playing out of his prefered position, at the end of his career he will be happy that it allowed him to play in many more games.

bonus question - I think Gerrard wants medals, glory and to play to his full potential, as long as he thinks he can achieve his goals with Liverpool he will stay. If Liverpool had won their matches Gerrard would be happy, as they have not he is rumoured to be unhappy. If liverpool win the EPL Gerrard will be happy even if he was played in goal!
He is Liverpool's captain and best player ffs, its time we appreciated that and forgot his past mistakes. It helps no-one that every time we lose a few games these rumours start.
I think some people have had an agenda against Gerrard because of his off field activities.

That last remark wasn't aimed at you Espionage ,as I actually think you are one of the better posters.

by **66-1112520797** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:26 pm

bonus question - I think Gerrard wants medals, glory and to play to his full potential, as long as he thinks he can achieve his goals with Liverpool he will stay. If Liverpool had won their matches Gerrard would be happy, as they have not he is rumoured to be unhappy. If liverpool win the EPL Gerrard will be happy even if he was played in goal!
He is Liverpool's captain and best player ffs, its time we appreciated that and forgot his past mistakes. It helps no-one that every time we lose a few games these rumours start.
I think some people have had an agenda against Gerrard because of his off field activities.

That last remark wasn't aimed at you Espionage ,as I actually think you are one of the better posters.

I dont know if anyone in Liverpool can shed any light on this rumour I heard, It was rumoured Gerrards misses bottled some girl in a resturant. But she hurt the girlfriend of a well know " gangsta" in Liverpool. And now theres beef between the two parties, and another name was thrown into the rumour Tony Richardson is he best mates with Gerrard ? Apparently he's involved, I dont know I read this on another forum.
But this was another rumour to why Gerrard may want to leave, I thinks its bollox myself :laugh:

but thought I'd post it anyway

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:40 pm

Bamaga man wrote:
bonus question - I think Gerrard wants medals, glory and to play to his full potential, as long as he thinks he can achieve his goals with Liverpool he will stay. If Liverpool had won their matches Gerrard would be happy, as they have not he is rumoured to be unhappy. If liverpool win the EPL Gerrard will be happy even if he was played in goal!
He is Liverpool's captain and best player ffs, its time we appreciated that and forgot his past mistakes. It helps no-one that every time we lose a few games these rumours start.
I think some people have had an agenda against Gerrard because of his off field activities.

That last remark wasn't aimed at you Espionage ,as I actually think you are one of the better posters.

I dont know if anyone in Liverpool can shed any light on this rumour I heard, It was rumoured Gerrards misses bottled some girl in a resturant. But she hurt the girlfriend of a well know " gangsta" in Liverpool. And now theres beef between the two parties, and another name was thrown into the rumour Tony Richardson is he best mates with Gerrard ? Apparently he's involved, I dont know I read this on another forum.
But this was another rumour to why Gerrard may want to leave, I thinks its bollox myself but thought I'd post it anyway

When Gerrard played bad before, when he was taken off against Basle 2002? it was rumoured he had a problem with a liverpool gangsters girl as well as family problems. Same girl? Same story? or same load of b**ll*c*ks?

by **stmichael** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:50 pm

Benitez is smart enough to see all through the hype about Gerrard. He's a highlights player, stick him in centre midfield and we'll get over-run. He's better used as a versatile attacking player, relieved of any defensive responsibilty.

by **craig da Toxteth iron** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:23 pm

It’s is basically this. When Gerrard went back into Central midfield we look livelier against Chelsea yesterday. So Rafa will have to drop Alonso cos Momo is Liverpool outstanding player so far. I know it’s not right to drop Xabi, but you have got to make the right choice for the team. You & I both know that when Momo enforces central midfield Liverpool ends up the Victors.

Rafa has got to forget about the injury nightmare that he had encountered during his first season (2004/05). By stop using his rotation policy & play the same team who started against PSV from now on.

by **craig da Toxteth iron** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:28 pm

Espionage wrote:1. What do you think Stevie G's best position is?

2. What is his best position for Liverpool, when taking into account our current squad and tactical preference?
Is it different from question 1?
If so then what does it change to, and why?

3. Momo and Alonso make a very good partnership (and have a lot of potential to grow), do you think that it is worth sticking with these guys and letting Gerrard fill whatever midfield role which is weakest?

4. Gerrard playing right/free-role with Momo and Xabi central gave very good results last season. Fans loved it when Gerrard played well, and said that it wasnt his fault when he played poorly (as it was the fact that he wasnt playing central/got isolated/etc). Is this another case of people blaming the manager when its the fault of the player? Or has Rafa got it wrong?

5. Do you think that at the end of his career he will look back at his flexability as being a blessing or a curse?

bonus question: A few people have suggested that Gerrard will leave at the end of the season after a frustrating year becasue he was played out of position all season. Do you think that this is true?

I'm not to sure about question number 5 mate. Sorry

by **Espionage** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:44 am

craig da Toxteth iron wrote:
Espionage wrote:1. What do you think Stevie G's best position is?

2. What is his best position for Liverpool, when taking into account our current squad and tactical preference?
Is it different from question 1?
If so then what does it change to, and why?

3. Momo and Alonso make a very good partnership (and have a lot of potential to grow), do you think that it is worth sticking with these guys and letting Gerrard fill whatever midfield role which is weakest?

4. Gerrard playing right/free-role with Momo and Xabi central gave very good results last season. Fans loved it when Gerrard played well, and said that it wasnt his fault when he played poorly (as it was the fact that he wasnt playing central/got isolated/etc). Is this another case of people blaming the manager when its the fault of the player? Or has Rafa got it wrong?

5. Do you think that at the end of his career he will look back at his flexability as being a blessing or a curse?

bonus question: A few people have suggested that Gerrard will leave at the end of the season after a frustrating year becasue he was played out of position all season. Do you think that this is true?

I'm not to sure about question number 5 mate. Sorry

What are you not sure about it?

I think that Gerrard debates are really interesting. Rafa obviously rates the combo of Momo and Alonso higher then he does of Gerrard and another. I am not sure what Rafa plans, but I think that it will eventually be a 4-5-1, with Gerrard playing as a free role.
Our starting 11 should be something along the lines of this:

Reina
Finnan Carragher Agger Riise

Alonso

Momo and Gerrard
Pennant
Bellamy
Kuyt/Crouch

Or alternatively take out Pennant and put on Gonzalez/Kewell and put Bellamy on the right. I really liked the way that Rafa utilised Cisse last year, if he wasnt so sh!t then he would have made the right wing his own. Bellamy can cross, run the channels beautifully and can finish. If you remember the way that we used Cisse was in a 4-4-2 but almost looked like a 4-5-1 because he was so so wide (but he was still definately a striker (sort of :upside:

))

I think that the system that Rafa is going for is letting Gerrard and Momo do whatever they want while not getting in each other's way too much and let Alonso tidy up playing a Makelele-style holding role.

IMO its not a question of Gerrard vs. Alonso/Momo and about whoever is the best 2 midfielders play. Its Momo or Alonso vs. Pennant and Gonzalez. As long as both Momo and Alonso are better then Pennant and Gonzalez (individually) then Gerrard will play one of either right/left midfield.

Dispite what some other people may thing, I believe that Rafa is not constructing a team that doesnt have a spot for Gerrard. I wouldnt go as far as to say that everything revolves around Gerrard (as I think that everything revolves around Alonso), but Gerrard is not just filling in the gaps at the moment. I believe that this is where he will play the rest of his career.

It will be interesting how Gerrard changes as a player over the next few seasons. I think that him moving wider has changed him for the better.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 7:39 am

We are not getting the best out of Gerrard, Rafa is doing a bit of a Sven, by trying to play Xabi, Momo and Gerrard in midfield but because Gerrard is so versatile he is being the fall guy and getting played out of position on a regular basis.

To get the best out of Gerrard we must play him centrally so he can bomb forward and get us goals and assists.

Sunday playing on the left was a puzzelling one maybe that was not to let Boularous get forward as Chelsea attack from the back, and Gonzales has been sick all week and no Garcia, Kewell or Riise.

Gerrard must come back into midfield or have that free roaming roll again, I dont like what rafa is doing with our best player if I am honest, I know he likes them to work as a team etc etc.

But Gerrard has not found form yet, due to the WC internationals and being played out of position for club and country.

I would love Gerrard to get back to that aggressive, hard working, hard as nails player he used to be as I prefer that version of him, that player that drove us on, but he is not being utilised like this anymore, and I miss that.

Alonso wont score many goals, neither will Zenden or Sissoko, whereas Gerrard can get us 25 a season in all comps if he is aloud to play his game, and not used as a sparepart like he is being now.

Whats changed since this?

BOSS: WE WANT TO BUILD TEAM AROUND GERRARD
Paul Eaton 26 January 2005
Rafael Benitez last night saluted his super skipper after Steven Gerrard fired Liverpool into the Carling Cup final.
Gerrard was again the Reds' hero with a second half winner which took the club to its tenth League Cup final - and their third in the last five years.

"He is a key player," said Benitez. "When he plays well the team plays well.

"He is important for us, and it is our idea to have a strong team around him. That is our idea for the future.

We need to be careful with him but we want to play Gerrard in every game if possible.

"I have not been surprised by how good he is. I knew before I came here, but it is even better to watch him in training every day."

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