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Postby Rushie » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:01 pm

john craig wrote:Ok we all know that one if not two strikers will be brought in this summer.  There have been loads of rumours and speculation in the press about who could be coming and some members on here have also suggested a few names.  Here's a list of what I would consider (reasonably) realistic targets, what's your take on them?

Torres - A no for me.  Overpriced, overrated and inconsistent.  If he's not convincing me that he can be a star in Spain then he's certainly not convincing me he'd adapt to the Premiership.

Yakubu - Not my cup of tea either.  Dare I say it but he reminds me of a young Heskey - pace, physique and powerful shot, but not convinced by his link up play (in fact he's been out of the Boro team recently because Hasselbaink and Viduka combine much better together than with Yakubu).

Ashton - A yes from me, I think this guy has the ability to do it for us.  Not only can he finish but he is one striker who I am actually convinced with his all-round game - he's good in the air and on the ground, can link play well and has good technique.

Defoe - Sometimes he impresses me but I can't make my mind up about him.  Good finisher and quick but his all-round game is average.

Tevez or Aguero - Put these guys together because don't know much about them - all I've seen are the clips on here.  Always a gamble bringing someone over from the South American leagues, for every Ronaldinho unearthed there are plenty of flops.  The fact though that we're well represented out there now with scouts means we're less likely to make a mistake.

Keane - I'm a fan of his.  Last summer I said we should sign him, things weren't going that well for him at Spurs then.  People argued he didn't score enough goals and maybe he didn't, but his performances consistently for Ireland at International level have been excellent over the years and his form this season for Spurs (with a good run in the team) have been very good.  He's another that grew up supporting Liverpool and I like his attitude on the pitch - he never gives up.  His link-up play is also excellent and for a guy not that big he holds the ball up well.

D. Bent - I've always said no and I'm still not convinced.  His pace is good and he's scored a lot of goals, but he's not that developed technically and his first touch can be erratic.  However his scoring record cannot be sniffed at - if he repeats this record next season I might change my mind about him but no for now.

A Johnson - No one talks about him anymore but last summer half the forum wanted us to sign him.  I rate him, scores goals and looks a good player all-round, but I'm not sure if he's quite good enough.

Owen - Well this could be a thread in itself just for Owen.  No from me, for now I'll not talk about the principles of whether we should sign him (because of what's happened) and just look at it in terms of football.  Too injury prone imo (he was unlucky to break his foot but it's his hamstrings I'd worry about long term), he'd cost a lot of money and his wages wouldn't be cheap - not good business.

Mido - Only on loan at Spurs and rumours say that there is interest from other Premiership teams.  I think he's a good player to be honest - he's 1st choice at Spurs ahead of Keane and Defoe who are in competition to partner him.  But I wouldn't sign him as he's a temperamental git - those of you who saw the African Nations fiasco will know what I mean.

Anelka - He'd jump at the chance to come back I'm sure and I think he's a very good player, I'd say yes.  He's maturing and hopefully isn't so much of a sulk these days, he's proven in the Premiership and importantly has bags of pace - which I think we need as an option when Cisse leaves.

Villa - Looks a class act, but to be honest he maybe doesn't deserve to be on this list because I think he's beyond us getting at present.  Should have put more effort into getting him last summer instead of Owen.

Bojinov/ Luca Toni - Both these guys have looked good in Italy but again they may both be slightly beyond us.  Toni especially I reckon will move to a bigger Italian team after the world cup and Bojinov is widely expected to move to Germany to play for Bayern at some stage.

Forlan - Bigmick has suggested it in the past.  He didn't settle in England first time around and he did play for the enemy but he's been exceptional for Villareal.  No convinced myself but I don't think it's a bad suggestion.

I'm sure ther's loads of others I've left out but that should be enough to get you thinking anyway!

I'd have to say 'NO' to Ashton, Robbie Keane, and Anelka... who you have said 'Yes' for.
Ok Ashton is a good player, but is he better than what we currently have?
Robbie Keane would admittedly add something but i'm not convinced that it would be enough and Anelka is admittedly an out and out goalscorer who would jump at the chance of joining Liverpool.  However, i'm not convinced that Benitez would jump at the chance of signing Anelka.

I agree that Owen is looking more and more injury prone but he is proven quality when fit obviously.  However, if he was that interested in coming back to Liverpool he'd have rejected Newcastle no matter what, and i'd be amazed if Rafa showed any interest in a player who seems more concerned with representing his country than he does representing his club.

I actually think Torres is a very good player and like the idea of Defoe partnering Crouch in the Premiership.[B]
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Postby stmichael » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:32 pm

Red wrote:sorry to put a dampner on things, but didnt Defoe sign a new contract with spurs on the week end?

he signed one in the summer but contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on these days.
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Postby 48-1119859832 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:37 pm

stmichael wrote:
Red wrote:sorry to put a dampner on things, but didnt Defoe sign a new contract with spurs on the week end?

he signed one in the summer but contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on these days.

Rather like Uni degree's  :lookaround

If Defoe was unhappy, then Spurs would have little choice but to sell him, hopefully that will happen and we'll bid £12million, sorted!  :cool:
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Postby Bad Bob » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:51 pm

Interesting that 3 Spurs strikers are on the list--a hint of a shake-up at WHL or wishful thinking, I wonder?

Of the 3 I'd definitely prefer Keane: he's quick, his play is multi-dimensional and intelligent, he's been scoring for fun of late and he's still young (I can't believe he's 25...been around forever, it seems!).

Defoe has talent, no question, so I wouldn't be displeased with him either.

Mido?...It'll never happen.  Too much attitude for Rafa to be interested, plus we already have a target man.
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Postby spion » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:29 pm

Anelka has stated that when Liverpool resigned Fowler he was "very envious" of his ex man city strike partner & that one day "he too wanted a reunion with the kop". For me Anelka was a wasted opportunity because with the money we bought Diouf, Diao & Bruno.......Nuff said.
I'd love to see Bonijov at Liverpool but I imagine Defoe.
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Postby Alonso14 » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:10 pm

JBG wrote:Buy Juan Roman Riquelme and play him off Crouch. With Alonso and Gerrard behind him we'd be some team.  :nod

Worldclass player, but he's 28, in his prime and would command a £25million+ fee.

We'd be better off spending that on Joaquin, and stick with Fowler for another season, if we was going to spend that sort of money.
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Postby Ola Mr Benitez » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:40 pm

if money was no option, first choice would be Shevchenko...  I know.. we can't afford him....

Id still like Owen back.. if not him Defoe is wirth a punt..
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Postby banana » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:14 pm

I have no idea why people actually like Ashton. He is barely average in my book. Too slow to have an impact in european games or against the top 5 teams. Yes he is decent in the air and has a good shot, but his limitations are too many and too big.

Anelka is the best option for me. He is a good all round player with a proven track record in england. Will be less expensive than the other players and just as good if not better.
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Postby Graeme Noble » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:32 pm

'Defoe superior to Cisse'

No way! He isn't good enough for Tottenham, therefore he isn't good enough for Liverpool F.C!
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Postby anti-hero » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:50 pm

Yeah dude.


Defoe's overrated.




How bout Adriano?

We can dream cant we? :p
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Postby Scottbot » Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:52 pm

JBG wrote:Buy Juan Roman Riquelme and play him off Crouch. With Alonso and Gerrard behind him we'd be some team.  :nod

Be nice wouldn't it. I watched the highlights of the Villareal-Inter game tonight and Requelme was superb. It wouldn't surprise me if he was the star of the World Cup this summer.
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:09 am

Of the strikers suggested, I'd personally like to see David Villa and Nicolas Anelka signing for us in the summer.

Provided they played to their abilities, and we sign even a half-decent right winger, we would win the league at a canter.
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Postby Salvi Torres » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:26 am

lads we are liverpool , lets show ambition and bid for Ronaldo or Zlatan Imb or David Trez..
our rep plus class wages wud be enuf.seriously Newcastle got ML OWEN, we shud similar ambition
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Postby Scottbot » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:33 am

john craig wrote:Ok we all know that one if not two strikers will be brought in this summer.  There have been loads of rumours and speculation in the press about who could be coming and some members on here have also suggested a few names.  Here's a list of what I would consider (reasonably) realistic targets, what's your take on them?

Torres - A no for me.  Overpriced, overrated and inconsistent.  If he's not convincing me that he can be a star in Spain then he's certainly not convincing me he'd adapt to the Premiership.

Yakubu - Not my cup of tea either.  Dare I say it but he reminds me of a young Heskey - pace, physique and powerful shot, but not convinced by his link up play (in fact he's been out of the Boro team recently because Hasselbaink and Viduka combine much better together than with Yakubu).

Ashton - A yes from me, I think this guy has the ability to do it for us.  Not only can he finish but he is one striker who I am actually convinced with his all-round game - he's good in the air and on the ground, can link play well and has good technique.

Defoe - Sometimes he impresses me but I can't make my mind up about him.  Good finisher and quick but his all-round game is average.

Tevez or Aguero - Put these guys together because don't know much about them - all I've seen are the clips on here.  Always a gamble bringing someone over from the South American leagues, for every Ronaldinho unearthed there are plenty of flops.  The fact though that we're well represented out there now with scouts means we're less likely to make a mistake.

Keane - I'm a fan of his.  Last summer I said we should sign him, things weren't going that well for him at Spurs then.  People argued he didn't score enough goals and maybe he didn't, but his performances consistently for Ireland at International level have been excellent over the years and his form this season for Spurs (with a good run in the team) have been very good.  He's another that grew up supporting Liverpool and I like his attitude on the pitch - he never gives up.  His link-up play is also excellent and for a guy not that big he holds the ball up well.

D. Bent - I've always said no and I'm still not convinced.  His pace is good and he's scored a lot of goals, but he's not that developed technically and his first touch can be erratic.  However his scoring record cannot be sniffed at - if he repeats this record next season I might change my mind about him but no for now.

A Johnson - No one talks about him anymore but last summer half the forum wanted us to sign him.  I rate him, scores goals and looks a good player all-round, but I'm not sure if he's quite good enough.

Owen - Well this could be a thread in itself just for Owen.  No from me, for now I'll not talk about the principles of whether we should sign him (because of what's happened) and just look at it in terms of football.  Too injury prone imo (he was unlucky to break his foot but it's his hamstrings I'd worry about long term), he'd cost a lot of money and his wages wouldn't be cheap - not good business.

Mido - Only on loan at Spurs and rumours say that there is interest from other Premiership teams.  I think he's a good player to be honest - he's 1st choice at Spurs ahead of Keane and Defoe who are in competition to partner him.  But I wouldn't sign him as he's a temperamental git - those of you who saw the African Nations fiasco will know what I mean.

Anelka - He'd jump at the chance to come back I'm sure and I think he's a very good player, I'd say yes.  He's maturing and hopefully isn't so much of a sulk these days, he's proven in the Premiership and importantly has bags of pace - which I think we need as an option when Cisse leaves.

Villa - Looks a class act, but to be honest he maybe doesn't deserve to be on this list because I think he's beyond us getting at present.  Should have put more effort into getting him last summer instead of Owen.

Bojinov/ Luca Toni - Both these guys have looked good in Italy but again they may both be slightly beyond us.  Toni especially I reckon will move to a bigger Italian team after the world cup and Bojinov is widely expected to move to Germany to play for Bayern at some stage.

Forlan - Bigmick has suggested it in the past.  He didn't settle in England first time around and he did play for the enemy but he's been exceptional for Villareal.  No convinced myself but I don't think it's a bad suggestion.

I'm sure ther's loads of others I've left out but that should be enough to get you thinking anyway!

Nice post there John. I think you've covered just about all out options there except perhaps someone like Bellamy who has to be a bit of a wildcard. My favoured options would be Owen, Defoe or Anelka (in no particular order)

Owen - I would love to see the boy wonder back at anfield and like most lfc fans, I was very excited when it looked like it might happen just before the transfer window closed. However, i would also be concerned about his injury record which has not been good ever since the hammy went several years ago at Leeds. A fit Owen guarantess you goals. No-one can deny that, but it's keeping him that is the problem.

Defoe - I'm a big fan of this kid. He's lighting quick, two-footed, is stronger than he looks, can beat a man and knows where the goal is. A few people question his all-round game but i think it's solid and would improve in Rafa's team. 10-12 mill would seem to be the going rate so it's not out of the club's budget.

Anelka - Lighting quick, skillful, strong and will score every type of goal. I thought he was excellent in his loan spell at the club and like most i was very dissapointed we didn't sign him permanantly. Based on athletic ability and talent alone this guy is one of the best strikers in the world for me (he hasn't had all that money spent for him for nothing) but obviously his attitude isn't that of the stereotypical footballer. Robbie laid into him in his book calling him 'the most selfish footballer he had ever played with' but i can recall his link up play and all round game was excellent for us in the 12 games he played in 2002. The press like to make him out to be some type of ogre but if he was that bad I'd expect to hear a few more former managers and team-mates sticking the boot in. I wanted either Morientes or Anelka from the transfer window last season but i know who i wish we had gone for now. Anelka would cost 6-8 mill and i would not be surprised if Rafa went for him considering he has been complimentary about the lad in the past.

Of the Spaniards - Villa and Torres. I really haven't seen either player enough to have an opinion. It seems that Torres has been talked about as the next big thing in Spain for a few seasons now but you wonder if he will have to leave Athletico (he grew up with the club i believe) before he can make that happen. The press are certainly talking Villa up at the moment and it does sound like he is more English in style so could be suited to the game the way Morientes isn't.

Ashton & Bent - Ashton looks a good player to me. His allround game is very solid and he is scoring goals. Unfortunately because he is English his price will rocket (if Stu were about he would stay it has nothing to do with nationality but thats boll.ox) the moment the big clubs start to look at him. I would still like to see Ashton bang the goals in for a full season in the EPL as he is still inexperienced at the top level having played something like 25 games in the top flight to date. I posted that i thought Bent might be a good call a couple of months ago and while i'm not totally convinced he would be the answer you can't knock his record. He's quick and also mobile for a tall lad, he leads the line brilliantly, can and does play on his own, holds the ball up well and is brilliant header of the ball and is excellent running on to a ball over the top. My only misgiving would be how he might cope against defences that sit deeper (when they play Liverpool) denying him the space he likes to run into. We saw this recently in the England game where he was always looking for the through ball that was never going to get there.

Keane & Forlan - Keane wouldn't be a bad move would it? He's a very good player. Unpredictable at times but quick, strong and technically excellent. Should score more goals than he does but the Tottenham fans are delighted with him this season. Hard to say with Forlan (or Sally after Sally Gunnell as i've always called him) He looked good again tonight playing for Villareal. Can't say i'd be particularly excited if Rafa went out and signed him.
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Postby Salvi Torres » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:34 am

if thats fails then buy freddy adu & salmon kalou
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