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by **woof woof !** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:08 pm

Do you think they removed Fooliers heart when he went into hospital ? He certainly lost something . Our players (SG apart) seem to have lost their passion and fight and Foolier seems unable to motivate them.
I'm not forgetting what he did for us but every manager and player reach a point where it's time to move on . I think for GH that time has arrived.

by **Owzat** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:22 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Owzat again you clearly miss the point.

Finnan and Carraghre aren't major losses. But if they are both out AT THE SAME TIME!!!! yes... i'll say it again in capital letters to see if it FINALLY gets through WHEN YOUR FIRST CHIOICE AND YOUR BACKUP ARE INJURED AT THE SAME TIME!!!! AGAIN.... TWO PLAYERS IN THE SAME POSITION!!! ARE INJURED AT THE SAME TIME!!! then how do you replace that?

Go on smart a#se? Your arrogance and stupidity in not being able to see this is rediculous. If Owen is out we go with Baros and Heskey and it still looks capable. If Owen and Baros are out we're with Heskey and Pongolle!! When Finnan is out Riise comes in and Carragher switches so it doesn't really weaken the side. When Finnan and Carragher are out Riise comes in and someone then has to play out of position. Your stats clearly don't show anything like the insane injuries that we've suffered.

When your players are missing at the same time you can't compete with the best. The 25% of games these players missed were all together. We were missing Henchoz, Hamann, Finnan, Kewell, Owen, Carragher and Baros at one stage.

Who plays then? at right back? Carragher? no injured... Finnan? no injured... Henchoz out of position?... no injured.... Gerrard?... no needed to hold the midfield together? Biscan? Maybe with Traore in middle? or Maybe a kid who doesn't know how to defend. The midfield consiting of Smicer, Gerrard, Murphy and Diouf, the striker force with no Owen or Baros... hmmm.

Yeah i totally agree injuries clearly aren't an excuse this season.

The fact is no-one is saying we'd have won the league had there been no injuries but we would have definately had a realistic chance of finishing 3rd if we'd just had a normal run of injuries and suspensions but the fact is it has been extremely abnormal. Newcastles has aswell to an extent but nothin like what we've suffered.

*****! Two decent players makes all the difference - LMFAO! You make so many excuses for Houllier we are beginning to suspect you are Houllier. The FACT is we have not been good enough, bemoaning the loss of virtually EVERY player when they get an injury is cretinous. We expect injuries the same as any other team, but to make out the simultaneous absence of two decent players is about as influential as that of a Gerrard or Owen is pathetic!

Can you admit that Gerrard has been carrying the side virtually all by himself recently? Would Carragher or Finnan do that - err no! There are key players whose absence is costly, I would certainly say Carragher and Finnan would not make a huge difference.

So "smart ar$e", how do you explain the mediocrity of the side now? You can't, your post is bu11shit as usual based on speculation and insults. I asked you to produce figures to back up your claims and you didn't, quite probably can't. You can't blame a record of P55 W21 D16 L19 on injuries - no wait, you probably do! :laugh:

by **redandblue** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:25 pm

Stu is Rick Parry. There can be no other explanation. It can't be David Moores because he can't write.

by **Owzat** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:27 pm

Like Arsenal, Liverpool too have broken records - Houllier and Stu_the_red! :laugh:

by **supersub** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:31 pm

It is a particularly dire record warranting the term mediocrity bordering on a sad state of affairs.Some people are quite happy with it,and will continue to bask in the reflected tedium that comes with being boring and consistently negative.Perhaps there are fans out there,who are on narcotics and therefore oblivious to the pain and suffering the rest of us have endured these last 18 months.

by **whylongball?** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:15 pm

Owzat wrote:
stu_the_red wrote:Owzat again you clearly miss the point.

Finnan and Carraghre aren't major losses. But if they are both out AT THE SAME TIME!!!! yes... i'll say it again in capital letters to see if it FINALLY gets through WHEN YOUR FIRST CHIOICE AND YOUR BACKUP ARE INJURED AT THE SAME TIME!!!! AGAIN.... TWO PLAYERS IN THE SAME POSITION!!! ARE INJURED AT THE SAME TIME!!! then how do you replace that?

Go on smart a#se? Your arrogance and stupidity in not being able to see this is rediculous. If Owen is out we go with Baros and Heskey and it still looks capable. If Owen and Baros are out we're with Heskey and Pongolle!! When Finnan is out Riise comes in and Carragher switches so it doesn't really weaken the side. When Finnan and Carragher are out Riise comes in and someone then has to play out of position. Your stats clearly don't show anything like the insane injuries that we've suffered.

When your players are missing at the same time you can't compete with the best. The 25% of games these players missed were all together. We were missing Henchoz, Hamann, Finnan, Kewell, Owen, Carragher and Baros at one stage.

Who plays then? at right back? Carragher? no injured... Finnan? no injured... Henchoz out of position?... no injured.... Gerrard?... no needed to hold the midfield together? Biscan? Maybe with Traore in middle? or Maybe a kid who doesn't know how to defend. The midfield consiting of Smicer, Gerrard, Murphy and Diouf, the striker force with no Owen or Baros... hmmm.

Yeah i totally agree injuries clearly aren't an excuse this season.

The fact is no-one is saying we'd have won the league had there been no injuries but we would have definately had a realistic chance of finishing 3rd if we'd just had a normal run of injuries and suspensions but the fact is it has been extremely abnormal. Newcastles has aswell to an extent but nothin like what we've suffered.

*****! Two decent players makes all the difference - LMFAO! You make so many excuses for Houllier we are beginning to suspect you are Houllier. The FACT is we have not been good enough, bemoaning the loss of virtually EVERY player when they get an injury is cretinous. We expect injuries the same as any other team, but to make out the simultaneous absence of two decent players is about as influential as that of a Gerrard or Owen is pathetic!

Can you admit that Gerrard has been carrying the side virtually all by himself recently? Would Carragher or Finnan do that - err no! There are key players whose absence is costly, I would certainly say Carragher and Finnan would not make a huge difference.

So "smart ar$e", how do you explain the mediocrity of the side now? You can't, your post is bu11shit as usual based on speculation and insults. I asked you to produce figures to back up your claims and you didn't, quite probably can't. You can't blame a record of P55 W21 D16 L19 on injuries - no wait, you probably do!

u r very sharp!
as i also see, this stu has 1 thing in common with GH thats is giving excuses...really p#ss me off

by **115-1073096938** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:29 pm

*****! Two decent players makes all the difference - LMFAO! You make so many excuses for Houllier we are beginning to suspect you are Houllier. The FACT is we have not been good enough, bemoaning the loss of virtually EVERY player when they get an injury is cretinous. We expect injuries the same as any other team, but to make out the simultaneous absence of two decent players is about as influential as that of a Gerrard or Owen is pathetic!

Can you admit that Gerrard has been carrying the side virtually all by himself recently? Would Carragher or Finnan do that - err no! There are key players whose absence is costly, I would certainly say Carragher and Finnan would not make a huge difference.

So "smart ar$e", how do you explain the mediocrity of the side now? You can't, your post is bu11shit as usual based on speculation and insults. I asked you to produce figures to back up your claims and you didn't, quite probably can't. You can't blame a record of P55 W21 D16 L19 on injuries - no wait, you probably do!

Its boll##ks is it?

Oh right. So losing wide players doesn't effect the balance of the team escpecially when you have to replace them with central players and central players that have little attacking instinct i may add.

Again what you are missing is the fact is they were both missing at the same time, aswell as alot of other players. For you to blindly suggest that none of it makes a difference shows your lack of knowledge.

The form of the side now is down to a lack of confidence. Its as simple as that. Idiots like you how keep coming up with stupid statistics and maintaining cups mean nothing and continually talking out of there backside don't help the situation. You'll see next season. Simple as that.

by **Scottbot** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 9:34 pm

Stu - One question-straight answer. Lets assume GH stays on. When are we gonna win the title? do you believe we will win it with GH?

by **Fowler_E7** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:19 pm

I cant beleive anyone thinks we will ever be a top side with houllier in charge

by **supersub** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 11:26 pm

Stu it was the same last season;why will it change next season .What do you think GH will/can do,to turn his dull ideas of how to play football,into a team that will have everyone on the edge of their seats in awe of the wonderful exhibition of footballing skills.

by **115-1073096938** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 3:26 am

Its not about being pretty its about winning games. The fact is we've only ever had the players to players to play a defense minded game since Houllier took charge and to get the best out of the current first 11 we would again need to play this way.

He changed the tactics last season without the personel and we suffered because of it. This season he's added Kewell and Finnan which imo were the right additions, but we still lack a striker and a centre half as a minimum. He's made mistakes, but his acheivments in the first three years imo means he deserves the chance to see if he can turn this round and considering the way this freak of a season has gone i don't think its fair to judge him on this.

I think this summer he will make the right signings AGAIN and we will push on and compete next season, if we don't then i'll hold my hands up and say i was wrong, but at least i'll be able to say i gave him a chance and stood by the man all the way through. If i'm right... and we do challenge and look like side going places again next season then what?

by **Fowler_E7** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:17 am

but who's choice was it to have defensive minded palyers? im sure it was the managers. Houllier can organize a good counter attacking side so he should stick to it, but saying that everyones already worked that tactic out and Unfortunately for us our manager doesnt know any other tactics

by **zackboxer** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:56 am

Houllier decided his tactics and brought in the players to play them !!
We were rumbled and teams knew exactly how to deal with us. Hence the decision to play a more attacking game, which Houllier is still trying to work out how to play, without success.
If we didn't have the personel to cope then why change tactics? Seems pretty dumb to me.

You can't really call this a freak season when last season was not much better and the performances for the past two seasons have been overall very poor. This isn't just a blip! Please don't use the excuses of injury etc. as we have had most of the squad available for last 3 months and haven't exactly set the world alight, if improved at all.
It's not who he has or will sign that worries me but the fact that even the good players he has signed are by and large massively underachieving under his management.

I guess if you're right Stu then you're a footballing genius. I honestly hope you are too, I don't give a toss who the manager is to be honest, it's the club that matters and it would be fantastic to be challenging for the title but just can't ever see that happening under GH, sorry.

by **LFC #1** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:00 am

assuming GH stays on next year, I hope that Stu is right and we are successful next season, define successful i hear you ask - challenge for the title, a good run in The Champs league (provided we qualify), and perhaps a good league or fa cup run (hopefully win one of them). although this seem unlikely at this stage, lets all pray that it happens!!

by **Owzat** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 1:08 pm

stu_the_red wrote:
*****! Two decent players makes all the difference - LMFAO! You make so many excuses for Houllier we are beginning to suspect you are Houllier. The FACT is we have not been good enough, bemoaning the loss of virtually EVERY player when they get an injury is cretinous. We expect injuries the same as any other team, but to make out the simultaneous absence of two decent players is about as influential as that of a Gerrard or Owen is pathetic!

Can you admit that Gerrard has been carrying the side virtually all by himself recently? Would Carragher or Finnan do that - err no! There are key players whose absence is costly, I would certainly say Carragher and Finnan would not make a huge difference.

So "smart ar$e", how do you explain the mediocrity of the side now? You can't, your post is bu11shit as usual based on speculation and insults. I asked you to produce figures to back up your claims and you didn't, quite probably can't. You can't blame a record of P55 W21 D16 L19 on injuries - no wait, you probably do!

Its boll##ks is it?

Oh right. So losing wide players doesn't effect the balance of the team escpecially when you have to replace them with central players and central players that have little attacking instinct i may add.

Again what you are missing is the fact is they were both missing at the same time, aswell as alot of other players. For you to blindly suggest that none of it makes a difference shows your lack of knowledge.

The form of the side now is down to a lack of confidence. Its as simple as that. Idiots like you how keep coming up with stupid statistics and maintaining cups mean nothing and continually talking out of there backside don't help the situation. You'll see next season. Simple as that.

Again you have chosen not to back up your claims with figures. Carragher and Finnan have both played a minimum of 14 games, care to find out when they were both absent? I would be shocked if it is more than 10 games

"idiots like you" wouldn't know a stat if it bit you on the ar$e, you just conjecture and then argue when facts are presented to the contrary. A favourite trick of mancs is to argue with the value of stats when they contradict their claims.

I don't deny Liverpool are stronger with Carragher than without, what I find really funny is that you are so stupid as to believe that it makes such a massive difference. We're still performing badly with Carragher back - you haven't come back with an answer to that (surprise, surprise)

I won't speak for the rest of the forum but it strikes me you are the one arguing with every person, even Supersub, so I suggest ye be the one talking out of thy backside - kermitspeak bu11shit at that!

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