THE MICHAEL OWEN THREAD - all owen talk here from now on please

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Postby matrix » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:55 am

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Luis Garcia wrote:Owen didnt have any impact on the England game at all when he came on...

very poor. hes gettting outshined by rooney

garcia  why are you so negative regarding  michael owen    he has nothing to prove to you or anybody else   your talking about a fuc.king anfield legend   :cool:   




         make that appointment at the docs garcia  :angry:   :angry:

This is the sort of stuff that gets right up me.

Anfield friggn legend? Dalglish and Rush are Anfield legends. They won doubles, European Cups and League titles with this club.

Owen had not taken us to a title or a Champions League like true Anfield legends have done. As far as I'm concerned, John Barnes is more an Anfield legend than Owen is.

tel   stop talking shi.te  mo is a great in many of lfcs fans eyes  how can you say he won almost nothing compared to rushie and dalglish  different era tel  your talking about perhaps the best era in liverpools history  since then liverpool have gone through a rebuilding phase  its not mo fault that arsenal and the scum progressed a bit quicker than liverpool   over the last few years   its a team game    its also worth saying the current liverpool team under benitez is far superior to houlliers liverpool  and the service owen will get from a much stronger and stable liverpool will benefit him and liverpool  cant wait for the boy to come home  :cool:

He's only great in the eyes of those that havent seen us win a premiership yet. Those of us that have dont use the phrase "Anfield legend" lightly.

Wait to you see us win a premiership before you feel qualified to tell those that have they're talking shi.te

do you think im going to waste my time with you over your stupid coments on legends   michael owen is a red legend in my book   im not bothered by your view on the matter   your just one of these owen haters thats fine   but dont say he must come back and win the premiership before he gets in your book of greats     fuc.king prat     :rasp
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Postby tel » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:05 am

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tel wrote:
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tel wrote:
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Luis Garcia wrote:Owen didnt have any impact on the England game at all when he came on...

very poor. hes gettting outshined by rooney

garcia  why are you so negative regarding  michael owen    he has nothing to prove to you or anybody else   your talking about a fuc.king anfield legend   :cool:   




         make that appointment at the docs garcia  :angry:   :angry:

This is the sort of stuff that gets right up me.

Anfield friggn legend? Dalglish and Rush are Anfield legends. They won doubles, European Cups and League titles with this club.

Owen had not taken us to a title or a Champions League like true Anfield legends have done. As far as I'm concerned, John Barnes is more an Anfield legend than Owen is.

tel   stop talking shi.te  mo is a great in many of lfcs fans eyes  how can you say he won almost nothing compared to rushie and dalglish  different era tel  your talking about perhaps the best era in liverpools history  since then liverpool have gone through a rebuilding phase  its not mo fault that arsenal and the scum progressed a bit quicker than liverpool   over the last few years   its a team game    its also worth saying the current liverpool team under benitez is far superior to houlliers liverpool  and the service owen will get from a much stronger and stable liverpool will benefit him and liverpool  cant wait for the boy to come home  :cool:

He's only great in the eyes of those that havent seen us win a premiership yet. Those of us that have dont use the phrase "Anfield legend" lightly.

Wait to you see us win a premiership before you feel qualified to tell those that have they're talking shi.te

do you think im going to waste my time with you over your stupid coments on legends   michael owen is a red legend in my book   im not bothered by your view on the matter   your just one of these owen haters thats fine   but dont say he must come back and win the premiership before he gets in your book of greats     fuc.king prat     :rasp

Thats exactly what he needs to do before he's considered alongside the likes of Kenny Dalglish. Win a premiership in the red shirt.

We're not some mid tier club like Middelsborough hoping for a top 6 finish and an FA or League Cup. We're a club used to winning top trophies like the league and CL. If you dont have those 2 medals, you're no Anfield legend
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Postby A.B. » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:45 am

Thats exactly what he needs to do before he's considered alongside the likes of Kenny Dalglish. Win a premiership in the red shirt.

We're not some mid tier club like Middelsborough hoping for a top 6 finish and an FA or League Cup. We're a club used to winning top trophies like the league and CL. If you dont have those 2 medals, you're no Anfield legend


So because Michael Owen doesn't have a certain medal he can't be a legend? What kind of bullsh1t theory is that?

If Owen played in the team that was at the top of the world in the 70's and 80's then Owen would have all medals. Owen is a bit unfortonutate because he hasn't played for a team good enough to win the Premiership but how can that prevent him from being a legend?
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Postby tel » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:19 am

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Thats exactly what he needs to do before he's considered alongside the likes of Kenny Dalglish. Win a premiership in the red shirt.

We're not some mid tier club like Middelsborough hoping for a top 6 finish and an FA or League Cup. We're a club used to winning top trophies like the league and CL. If you dont have those 2 medals, you're no Anfield legend


So because Michael Owen doesn't have a certain medal he can't be a legend? What kind of bullsh1t theory is that?

If Owen played in the team that was at the top of the world in the 70's and 80's then Owen would have all medals. Owen is a bit unfortonutate because he hasn't played for a team good enough to win the Premiership but how can that prevent him from being a legend?

You're making a big assumption he'd even get a game in those great Liverpool teams. He wouldnt. He'd be on the very same bench he now is at Real Madrid.

If he's such a legend, why isnt every team in Europe chasing his signature?
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Postby Chelsea forever. » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:25 am

L'OM would struggle to rustle up the finances for a transfer, and could offer Abdoulaye Meite in exchange, although Diouf admits the interest in Cisse is still at an early stage.

"We have not had any direct contact, neither with Cisse, nor with Liverpool," Diouf told the club's official website.

"But he has learned, while discussing it with his coach, that Michael Owen could return to the club where he started his career.

"Djibril then said to his coach that he did not wish to stay if he was not going to play in his original position - centre forward.

"It is known, and he has never hidden it, that Djibril would like to play at Marseille. Then the idea was immediately propelled for Cisse to join l'OM.

"If the chance to sign Djibril for Marseille was given to us, we would do it very readily."

-From Sky Sports-

Dont know if it has any meaning. I can understand Cisse's discomfort if Owen is back and since Fernando seems first choice to Rafa, Cissie might want a move.

10 days for the window to close, lets see.
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Postby ckay » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:30 am

How much would Owen cost? There's talk that Moores will dip into his own pocket for him and then on another site there saying that he'll only cost 1 mill because R M haven't paid for him yet.  Does anyone know how much RM are asking?

I'd have Owen back. Nado is a world class player ( no doubt ) but the english game doesn't seem to suit him.
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Postby Ciggy » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:34 am

ckay wrote:How much would Owen cost? There's talk that Moores will dip into his own pocket for him

Thanx for that Ckay I am not the only who has heard this that moores is prepared to dip into his own pocket to bring him back, Madrid are wanting 20 million euros for him, but they will only get that off newcastle and owen doesnt want to go there or to manure, he only wants to come back to Liverpool, but he is not on Rafas agenda.
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Postby ckay » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:36 am

Cheers for that Lynds!
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Postby Ciggy » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:41 am

KOP DON'T HAVE A PRAYER WITHOUT OWEN
Liverpool . . .1 Sunderland . .0
By David Maddock
RAFA BENITEZ has it off to a fine art these days. When asked about Michael Owen, he skilfully avoids the subject by nudging the questioner in another direction.

"Our priority is a centre-half," he always replies, with a gravity set about his features. Then his face cracks and he falls into a convulsive giggle.

What he means is that he would prefer not to talk about it. He does genuinely require a centre-half to provide support for the hard-working pair of Jamie Carragher and Sami Hyypia, but that hardly rules out a move for a striker.

Indeed against Sunderland the evidence suggested that the priority at Anfield is someone who can put the ball into the net. Someone like Owen.

Benitez says he has six strikers and is happy with them all. But none is a convincing goalscorer.

Against Sunderland, Fernando Morientes toiled manfully in a lone role up front but never looked remotely like scoring. His sole chance came in the first minute when, unmarked, he headed wide from close range.

Djibril Cisse fared no better. He had three good chances but never looked as though he believed he would score.

Benitez wants the French forward to play in a different role, wide on the right with the freedom to link with the lone striker. Clearly, he does not enjoy it. Marseille are ready to offer the former Auxerre player a return to France, and a return to a more familiar position up front. And after watching his side struggle so badly to find the net against Sunderland, it seemed that Benitez was not entirely opposed to the idea.

When asked about interest from the French club, the Anfield boss said only that he had heard nothing so far. When it was suggested he might like to tell Marseille they are wasting their time, Benitez politely declined. I would prefer to say nothing at this stage, was the gist of his answer.

The Liverpool manager knows he has a problem up front. "There is a frustration about our finishing. We created clear chances and we didn't score," he admitted. "Cisse had three chances, one of them very, very clear. But it happens. He needs confidence, he needs a goal to give him confidence. It is difficult for him because he doesn't enjoy playing wide. I know he is not a right-winger but sometimes you have to work for the team.

"Maybe he is finding it difficult to do the work in defence and then get forward to help with the attack. It is hard to understand what is required of a new position."

Benitez was clearly frustrated with Cisse and spent much of his time standing on the touchline barking orders towards the Frenchman.

While he could never publicly admit it, an approach from Marseille would provide a solution to the problem for Liverpool. If they can sell Milan Baros and allow Cisse to go out on loan, then it would provide the money to bring Owen back.

Talks are still progressing with Real Madrid, who have placed a ridiculous £15million price tag on a player they paid just £8m for only a season ago. But as the transfer deadline approaches, they will be forced to soften their position or risk being lumbered with a player they do not want.

Liverpool still want to bring Owen back, initially on loan, but if they can get the fee down to £8m it means they will not have to pay out anything immediately because they are still owed £4m from the original fee Madrid paid.

Yet even if the various deals do come off, Benitez is still faced with an intriguing problem. His preferred approach this season will be to play one striker up front - either Morientes or, when he is fit, Peter Crouch - with two mobile players supporting from the flanks, and Steven Gerrard bursting from the midfield.

Owen will not fit easily into that formation, and if he does return then like Cisse he may find himself being forced to adapt his game because Benitez is not impressed by reputations and will not change his own plans to accommodate anyone.

The bottom line, though, is that the England international will get goals no matter where he plays. And that is the most important currency for Liverpool if they are going to translate the tactically astute ideas of Benitez into Premiership success.

Against Sunderland they needed a brilliant free-kick from Xabi Alonso to get three points. And even then Liverpool were forced to rely on some outrageous fortune to ease their way to victory.
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Postby Alonso14 » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:48 pm

IMO cisse hasnt been given a chance to prove himself, i mean he hasnt played upfront with a strike partner week in and week out, after maybe 5 starting apperances he might start to hit form, i honestly think hecan become a decent striker for the club but he hasnt been given his chance. I do agree that Benitez doesnt see him as a long term option.
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Postby XSD » Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:56 pm

We need Owen back. If this means selling Cisse ok, it's really sad as the kid hasn't had much of a chance and we won't get near the 14m we spent, but Owen gives us a much better chance of winning things this season.
Imagine Owen running onto those perfect Alonso throughballs? Those are the kind he loves and never had at Anfield under Houllier.

He is probably the best Liverpool player for the last 10 years, and I think he will be better than before if he comes back this season.
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Postby wrighty (not mark!) » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:59 pm

XSD wrote:We need Owen back. If this means selling Cisse ok, it's really sad as the kid hasn't had much of a chance and we won't get near the 14m we spent, but Owen gives us a much better chance of winning things this season.
Imagine Owen running onto those perfect Alonso throughballs? Those are the kind he loves and never had at Anfield under Houllier.

He is probably the best Liverpool player for the last 10 years, and I think he will be better than before if he comes back this season.

excuse me? last ten years? 4got about 'god' av we?
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Postby *R*E*D*S* » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:23 pm

god is before you...
god is beside you...
god is behind you...

lets just sign robbie on the cheap!
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Postby XSD » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:24 pm

wrighty (not mark!) wrote:
XSD wrote:We need Owen back. If this means selling Cisse ok, it's really sad as the kid hasn't had much of a chance and we won't get near the 14m we spent, but Owen gives us a much better chance of winning things this season.
Imagine Owen running onto those perfect Alonso throughballs? Those are the kind he loves and never had at Anfield under Houllier.

He is probably the best Liverpool player for the last 10 years, and I think he will be better than before if he comes back this season.

excuse me? last ten years? 4got about 'god' av we?

I love robbie fowler, but in terms of ability and all round game Owen is a far better player.
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Postby stoney » Mon Aug 22, 2005 2:28 pm

XSD wrote:
wrighty (not mark!) wrote:
XSD wrote:We need Owen back. If this means selling Cisse ok, it's really sad as the kid hasn't had much of a chance and we won't get near the 14m we spent, but Owen gives us a much better chance of winning things this season.
Imagine Owen running onto those perfect Alonso throughballs? Those are the kind he loves and never had at Anfield under Houllier.

He is probably the best Liverpool player for the last 10 years, and I think he will be better than before if he comes back this season.

excuse me? last ten years? 4got about 'god' av we?

I love robbie fowler, but in terms of ability and all round game Owen is a far better player.

OWEN 'all round game' ???  ???  ur avin a larf :laugh:
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