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by **RedorDead** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:59 am

Hleb and Riquelme better than Gerrard? I find that a staggering comment. Gerrard is one of a very very few midfielders in the world who has it all. That all round midfield ability to pass, to score goals, to defend, to tackle...he has the desire and drive and work rate to match his superb skills. There are only three other midfielders I would compare to Gerrard and they are Keane (in his hey day) Viera and Edgar Davids. Noone else has it all like he does and such to sell him would be a big big loss!

by **RedorDead** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:00 am

Hleb and Riquelme better than Gerrard? I find that a staggering comment. Gerrard is one of a very very few midfielders in the world who has it all. That all round midfield ability to pass, to score goals, to defend, to tackle...he has the desire and drive and work rate to match his superb skills. There are only three other midfielders I would compare to Gerrard and they are Keane (in his hey day) Viera and Edgar Davids. Noone else has it all like he does and such to sell him would be a big big loss!

by **RedorDead** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:01 am

Hleb and Riquelme better than Gerrard? I find that a staggering comment. Gerrard is one of a very very few midfielders in the world who has it all. That all round midfield ability to pass, to score goals, to defend, to tackle...he has the desire and drive and work rate to match his superb skills. There are only three other midfielders I would compare to Gerrard and they are Keane (in his hey day) Viera and Edgar Davids. Noone else has it all like he does and such to sell him would be a big big loss!

by **The_Rock** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:22 am

RedorDead wrote:There are only three other midfielders I would compare to Gerrard and they are Keane (in his hey day) Viera and Edgar Davids.

no need to repeat your post 3 times to make a point

by **A.B.** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:43 am

Riquelme's passing ability is superior than Gerrards imo, just ask Diego Forlan as Riquelme is one of the reasons why Forlan has scored so many goals.

Gerrard is a good player no doubt about it, but best in the world I think that may been hyped up by the media. For instance he goes for that special pass or shot when something much more simply would be just as effective or more effective. He tries to win the game by himself. That may seem like a good thing but footie is a team game and you need all your players involved. He's a captain so he should inspire his team-mates to get in the game but not win it for them because it makes the players too dependent on him. He has much to learn before becomes one of world's best.

by **Gracias King Rafa** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:18 am

"We are prepaing a special weightlifting plan for Gerrard's shoulders because we want him to lift a lot of trophies for Liverpool in the next few years".

As quoted by Rafa himself,a strange one if he is Madrid bound don't you think?
Still until he signs up,the a*** licking press just won't leave this alone.

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:28 am

"Gerrard is a good player no doubt about it"

Surely Gerrard is more than just a good player AB ?

"he goes for that special pass or shot when something much more simply would be just as effective or more effective."

Take your point AB but isn't that special pass or shot the difference between a good player and a great player ?

"He's a captain so he should inspire his team-mates to get in the game but not win it for them because it makes the players too dependent on him."

AB, are you serious ? Can't believe that you consider some players failure to put in sufficient effort down to the fact that Gerrard does too much .
Perhaps we should have subbed Gerrard midway through the second half in Istanbul ,his performance was obviously having a negative effect on the rest of the team .
:laugh:

by **A.B.** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:47 am

AB, are you serious ? Can't believe that you consider some players failure to put in sufficient effort down to the fact that Gerrard does too much .
Perhaps we should have subbed Gerrard midway through the second half in Istanbul ,his performance was obviously having a negative effect on the rest of the team .

You misunderstood what I was trying to say. In the second-half Gerrard scored a goal, by doing so he fired his team-mates up but he didn't go out and try to score all three goals by himself. He inspired his team-mates to keep on going instead of trying to do it all by himself.

You understand what I'm saying? Usually he tries to put everything on himself.

Take your point AB but isn't that special pass or shot the difference between a good player and a great player ?

A great player knows also when to go for the simple option that is just as effective or possibly even more effective. Hollywood passes and shots shouldn't always be the answer.

I see that you couldn't be ar$ed to use the QUOTE tags.....

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:58 am

A.B. wrote:
Take your point AB but isn't that special pass or shot the difference between a good player and a great player ?

A great player knows also when to go for the simple option that is just as effective or possibly even more effective. Hollywood passes and shots shouldn't always be the answer.

Thats a fair point , Gerrard however doesn't ALWAYS go for the "Hollywood" pass/shot as the tone of your response seems to infer .However, when those Hollywood passes /shots come off ,who amongst us is not leaping up and down with joy and appreciation?

Agree that Gerrard still has much to learn but lets not forget the fella hasn't reached his peak yet ,two or three seasons from now with added experience and maturity Stevie G could be the template for the "complete footballer".

by **LFCNUTTER** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:13 pm

I cant believe what i am reading here GERRARD can get away with playing hollywood balls cause he is that good and most of the time they come off.Who could we buy if we had to replace him. imo Lfc should be going out and competing for players who are valued at the top end of the scale not selling them.Anyone who thinks we should offload gerrard is :censored:

BONKERS.

by **banana** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:34 pm

A.B. wrote:Riquelme's passing ability is superior than Gerrards imo, just ask Diego Forlan as Riquelme is one of the reasons why Forlan has scored so many goals.

Gerrard is a good player no doubt about it, but best in the world I think that may been hyped up by the media. For instance he goes for that special pass or shot when something much more simply would be just as effective or more effective. He tries to win the game by himself. That may seem like a good thing but footie is a team game and you need all your players involved. He's a captain so he should inspire his team-mates to get in the game but not win it for them because it makes the players too dependent on him. He has much to learn before becomes one of world's best.

I agree with you AB. I was also trying to make a similar point. Gerrard has skills, and can hit accurate long passes. But he has to learn how to use those skills more efficiently. And he has got to learn when to play it easy. It is called experience and judgement. Gerrard is a good player, but there are more players just as good as him or even better. I do appreciate what he brings to the team however, and I would like him to sign a new contract. But if he doesn't sign we have to sell him.

by **wil-kop** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:37 pm

yup fully agree on that 1...imagine him and alonso all next season in centre mid....the wonder of it - please try and find me a better central midfield pair in the world

by **woof woof !** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:42 pm

banana wrote:Gerrard is a good player no doubt about it,

Gerrard is a good player,

Christ ! what does he have to do before you lads consider to be more than just a "Good Player"

:talktothehand

by **Garymac** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:09 pm

Is the person who started this thread havin a fookin laugh, use stevie to buy 3 or 4 average players, give us a break, didnt you watch the european cup final, if Gerrard wasnt world class or the most important player we have or the biggest signing we have to make this summer, then we would all be talkin about what might have been, that night proved he is world class, to any doubters hes had, ok he had an off season ok his head wasnt were it should be at times but you try tellin me that at 3 nil down he didnt believe we could win the european cup, He believed we could win the hard job was convincing 10 other players that it could be done and the fact rafa convinced, Gerrard and Gerrard convinced the other players, tells me that Rafa and Gerrard must remain as one for the good of this club.......Sellin Gerrard, dont make me laugh, its not an option, he must stay, simple as.

P.S what scares me is as a center midfielder he hasnt peaked, if he was to hit his peak elsewhere, it would knock me sick.

by **BringBackTiti** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 3:44 pm

he is gonna be our most succesful captain am tellin you

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