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by **ckay** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:06 am

did anyone else notice how friendly the chelsea players were with stevie?

It was like they were saying, " see you in the summer mate ".

Last time I saw that it was with Beckham with the Madrid players!!!

by **ronmeister** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:08 am

Well if he go's we should Hike the price up as high as possible let's see how much chelsea rate him at.

by **ckay** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:12 am

Time for a bidding war with madrid!

by **Ciggy** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:44 am

Apparently when the players where getting on the plane, aload of Liverpool fans ignored Stevie and all got Carra wanting his autograph and patting him

JC for for captain.

by **fivecups** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:56 am

This post is about his captaincy, and currently his mind-set is all wrong. Compare him to Keane or Terry. Their players feel they have complete support from them - imagine Keane if the Chelsea players had started pushing Scholes or someone about the way Hamaan was pushed yesterday. They engender a togetherness and spirit that makes all their players want to fight for each other - that attitude comes from their manager and captain.

I too would like to see more passion or even aggression from Stevie. If we can tell that his 'head isn't right' then his team-mates must be acutely aware of it and what sort of 'team-spirit' will that generate.

But what's the solution? For Stevie it appears he's made his decision but cant move on for another 3 months. He's stuck in limbo wishing he'd moved on a year ago. He wants to perform for a club he still loves but has decided to leave and he's finding that difficult.

For Rafa/ Parry - what do they do? As with M.O. they'll not push him out by stripping him of the captaincy if they think there's even a small chance he might stay. Even if they know he's going they dont want to do anything that is going to devalue him and potentially cost the club several million pounds. BUT if he continues as captain without leading/ motivating/ inspiring his team can we really get fourth and hence coveted CL football next year and can we progress any further in this years competition?

What do you think?

It is a difficult sitution. Rafa needs to sit down and explore these issues with his captain.

by **LFC #1** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:00 pm

excellent summary fivecups, and as I think AB said we really are in no man's land.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:17 pm

Well said 5 cups, but where do we go from here?
Hes not performing well and we cant drop him either, I think Rafa needs to get him in his office this week and get this whole thing sorted out once and for all.
He needs to be honest and say hes leaving and Rafa needs to tell him he still has to play for the club whos paying his wages, theres only 3 months left, its not a life time, and then he will be free to do what he wants.
But this is no good for the rest of the teams moral, its no good for the fans, and the manager must be gutted.

by **BOODIDDY** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:10 pm

You all talk ******. If it wasn't for stevie he we would be out of champs league, maybe wouldn't have got to the final.

He isn't right yet but is it any wonder when the country's press is trying to un settle you. Do you really think he said that about the CL last week? I think not. Maybe it was said before xmas but the press roll it out now. Why? Because Mourinho, the russian and the whole chelsea thing sells papers.

The lad wasn't fit yesterday, did you see the cramp? Wasn't the first time either. Birmingham final, Arsenal Final, England 2004. The lad puts himself under too much stress. His preparation for big games needs to be addressed.
It was heart breaking to lose yesterday, but lets group together get behind the team and more importantly Stevie, ce who pulled us through the ****** last year. Remember our song, YNWA Stevie and LFC

For Fuc75 sake lets stop moaning and look forward to exciting times with rafa, carra, stevie and the rest.

by **haps** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:19 pm

Some people on this forum (alot actually) are pretty fickle. How quickly does a hero turn villain (and probably back again if he bangs in the winners againt Newcastle and bayer)? The guy isn't playing his best at the moment. Granted. Who's consistent for an entire career? Who? And he has gone missing in a few games. And I don't think he'll stay with us for reasons of personal ambition and because if someone offered me £125,000 pw+, I'd probably mull it over a pint or two. Some peoplee are going way over the top in general. As for questioning his attitude, how the f**k would you know what he feels? You don't. You think that after the years of faithful service, brilliant performances (dragged us into this year's CL) and loving this club from kid to captain, he's suddenly decided over Christmas dinner, "Nah, don't think I'll put the effort in no more cos I'm off anyway and I don't want to offend my mates Frankie and Josie". GH made Stevie captain. I think Rafa would (and will) take JC anyday for the role. I don't think being captain is a 'burden' for SG. I just don't think he's ever necessarily been captain material. No offence. Some people just aren't. Liverpool's problems as we all know, go way beyond SG lack of form recently. The guy is still a Liverpool player and I'll bet any money he makes a crucial contribution to the season yet (in a positive way). If he goes, he goes. No one will ever be bigger than the club. But its the speed with which people turn on our erstwhile best player that really saddens me. Sure - have a poke at individual perormances, get things off yer chest on a Monday morning; thats what a forum's for. But don't crucify the guy and question every thing about him when three months ago he was God.

by **ckay** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:22 pm

It's a defence mechanism, if we get all down on him it might not hurt as much when he leaves us in the summer!!

by **Sean** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:01 pm

I reckon scoring the own goal will make it harder for him make the decision to move to Chelsea. If its inevitable that Gerrard is on his way out I reckon we should use him to do a deal with Madrid with Owen returning to anfield.

by **Ciggy** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:04 pm

We are certainly missing Michael Owen more than we can imagine, the thing is though he will see himself as a failure should he come back to the prem.
Its a shame he went really I would have him back tomorrow.

by **Dalglish** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:19 am

fivecups wrote:This post is about his captaincy, and currently his mind-set is all wrong. Compare him to Keane or Terry. Their players feel they have complete support from them - imagine Keane if the Chelsea players had started pushing Scholes or someone about the way Hamaan was pushed yesterday. They engender a togetherness and spirit that makes all their players want to fight for each other - that attitude comes from their manager and captain.

I too would like to see more passion or even aggression from Stevie. If we can tell that his 'head isn't right' then his team-mates must be acutely aware of it and what sort of 'team-spirit' will that generate.

But what's the solution? For Stevie it appears he's made his decision but cant move on for another 3 months. He's stuck in limbo wishing he'd moved on a year ago. He wants to perform for a club he still loves but has decided to leave and he's finding that difficult.

For Rafa/ Parry - what do they do? As with M.O. they'll not push him out by stripping him of the captaincy if they think there's even a small chance he might stay. Even if they know he's going they dont want to do anything that is going to devalue him and potentially cost the club several million pounds. BUT if he continues as captain without leading/ motivating/ inspiring his team can we really get fourth and hence coveted CL football next year and can we progress any further in this years competition?

What do you think?

It is a difficult sitution. Rafa needs to sit down and explore these issues with his captain.

Sometimes in football, as it is also in life you can go dizzy sitting there thinking of all the possibilities and what might or might not happen in any given situation.

When your in a hole the first rule is to stop digging and Benitez needs to dispense with the spade and get Stevie in for some man to man talks.

Benitez wasn't afraid to address the "clique" problem between players at LFC (as there are at all clubs) which saw the departure of Michael Owen and Danny Murphy so any apparrent delaying of talks between RB and SG will almost certainly be deliberate.

Fans sometimes request opposite things in posts. For example stripping Stevie of the captaincy yet keeping him in the team is at best a humilation for the player and at worst can seriously affect that players confidence which at this level is 2/3rds a players game.

Keane says some controversial stuff at Man U as captain and is currently in court on assault charges, is that the kind of captain we want ? Terry leads the charge of his players toward the referee on every contoversial decision, is that the kind of captain we want ?

The simple answer to the dilemna is that there isn't one really because of the crazy transfer window system and a press that has nothing else better to do than kiss mourinho's ****** and stir up transfer talk to sell their rags .....

The best thing we as supporters can do is "Support" the team and try and not get embrolied in papertalk.

If Gerrard pulls on the red shirt of LFC he gets my support, whether he pulls on the armband of captaincy is secondary

by **A.B.** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:31 am

cisses_gona_get_ya wrote:We are certainly missing Michael Owen more than we can imagine, the thing is though he will see himself as a failure should he come back to the prem.
Its a shame he went really I would have him back tomorrow.

Strikers can't feed the ball to themselves, that includes Michael Owen. Unless you want us to go back too hoofing the ball to Michael up front then it's time for us to move on. I watch Real Madrid vs. Deportivo La Caruna in where Michael Owen hardly did anything mostly because Real's midfield was torn apart however I understand what you're trying to say. If it was Owen who had the same chances Baros did he would had scored 9 times out of 10.

The player we have missed the most is Xabi Alonso. He can string the passes, he can create things for his team mates, he keeps his cool. He was a bit inconsistant at the begining but the game against Fulham on the road showed what he can do. He lead the rest of the team without carrying them but with providing excellent passes and crosses.

When Alonso plays with Gerrard they make one another look better. Gerrard can go forward because he doesn't have to worry about dictating the passing game which is something he's not good at however without Alonso, Gerrard doesn't have the same freedom like he did when he played alongside him.

I really wish Gerrard would sort himself out, its the Owen saga all over again.

by **tel** » Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:22 am

We need to get off the lad's back. And his agents need to stop pumping his tyres.

The lad has too many expectations put on him along the lines of everytime we win, he saved us. Every time we lose, its because he didnt play well.

This is just $h ite. He's an important player in a developing team. Sometimes he plays like Maradona. Trying to do everything on the park himself. I get sick of seeing him line-up a free kick everytime its within scoring distance. When has he ever scored directly from a free kick? Yet if we get one, off he goes to strike it over the bar again.

He's not playing a team game. He's believing too much that unless he does something himself , we're out of it. The headed own goal says it all. The boy was trying to do it all instead of letting the defenders do their job and clear it. He doesnt seem to trust his team mates. He's paying too much attention to what the papers are saying about him.

If you offered me 30m for him 2 years ago, I'd have said no. If you offered me 40m for him 2 months ago, I would have said no. If you offer me 30m today which buys me a Ballack and an Aimar, and some left over for a quality central defender, I'd say OK. This lad thinks he needs to play all these positions to save the team.

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