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by **Leonmc0708** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:38 pm

I personally think he struggles when he has the arm band.

With Stevie back, hopefully he will improve.

by **banana** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:45 pm

stu_the_red wrote:I can't believe this.

Sami Hyypia is a top quality player and would WALK into EVERY side in the league. The only one he's possibly struggle with is Chelsea. Infact, Hyypia would WALK into nearly EVERY SIDE IN EUROPE!!!

Some people seriously need there heads testing. He's probably had 5 bad games in 5 years.

SUPPORT THE ****** MAN!!!!

That is ****** stu. The guy has no pace and bad passing and technique. You supported Houllier blindly, supported Murphy7 blindly and now you support Hyypia blindly. Houllier was sacked, Murphy thrown away and, mind my words, Hyypia is also finished here. What then Stu?

by **JBG** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:47 pm

I have to disagree with Stu that Sammi would walk into almost anyside in Europe, not based on his form for the past 18 months.

He is a top class defender when the side defends deeply, but once the back four stands closer to the half way line then Sammi can have problems.

Sammi made one excellent tackle today when a Boro player got free in the box in the first half, but he and the rest of the defence surrendered a few free headers from set pieces in the game, and in the first 20 minutes of the second half he was run ragged, looking what I described him in an earlier post in this thread as a pub player. At least the game (and his own poor performance) angered him, and he was close to getting himself sent off after frustration set in.

5 bad games in 5 years Stu? Well make that 6 by today's reckoning.

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:47 pm

He didn't struggle when we he lead us to the cup treble.

JBG, i'm on about overeacting. Every muppets doing it. It was a shocking performance by a team in a major transitional period with 3 new players playing, players out of position and no strikers.

****** happens.

We all know what needs to improve, so does Benitez. He's learning, this season is a write off anyways, we already knew that.

We shoul be building a base to build from and thats what i think Benitez is trying to do. He'll then start to bring in the right personel to solidify this base.

For me i think Riise should be the left back, Finnan on the right with Sami and Carragher in the middle. Kewell should ONLY play left wing. Luis Garcia should ONLY play off the front man.

by **JBG** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:52 pm

stu_the_red wrote:He didn't struggle when we he lead us to the cup treble.

JBG, i'm on about overeacting. Every muppets doing it. It was a shocking performance by a team in a major transitional period with 3 new players playing, players out of position and no strikers.

****** happens.

We all know what needs to improve, so does Benitez. He's learning, this season is a write off anyways, we already knew that.

We shoul be building a base to build from and thats what i think Benitez is trying to do. He'll then start to bring in the right personel to solidify this base.

For me i think Riise should be the left back, Finnan on the right with Sami and Carragher in the middle. Kewell should ONLY play left wing. Luis Garcia should ONLY play off the front man.

Read back through all of my posts in this thread Stu and you'll see that I have very specifically directed my comments at TODAY'S GAME.

It was a shocking, hopelessly inept performance that easily matched even the worst performances that Gerard Houllier's side suffered towards the end of his reign. Yes, the game might be seen in the context of a new manager, new ideas, bad injuries and players played out of position but that does not excuse the total lack of effort and heart from 4 or 5 players.

Its true that Sammi was immense in the treble season but thats well over three years ago now, and by his own admission his form has not been as good as it should be.

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:54 pm

That is ****** stu. The guy has no pace and bad passing and technique. You supported Houllier blindly, supported Murphy7 blindly and now you support Hyypia blindly. Houllier was sacked, Murphy thrown away and, mind my words, Hyypia is also finished here. What then Stu?

Murphy was told he was going to be used as a squad player and didn't like it. So he left. He's a good player, nothing more. Exactly what i said. Hyypia has very average pace. He also wins ALOT of headers, he reads the game EXCEPTIONALLY well and when teams attack us through the middle they generally dont' score goals. To say his technique is poor is simply a rediculous comment. He has better technique than most centre halfs and his touch is also good. Hyypia lacks the composure he once had and his distribution has become lazy but thats something which can and will change.

I also supported Owen much to your disgust, and the average player that is Owen seems to be getting on alright in Madrid does he not?

I'm not blindly supporting the man at all. He has more ability as a footballer than 80% of our squad.

JBG.... FORM IS TEMPORARY, CLASS IS PERMANANT.

I couldn't give a chuff about good or bad form, if you have the ability and work hard bad form DOESN'T LAST!!

Any nugget who cant' see Sami's influence on the defence, heading ability, ariel ability, reading of the game doesn't know football.

by **A.B.** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:57 pm

What formation did Benitez use today?

As of right now we should use 4-5-1 as I think we will be more effective with that kind of formation. Our midfield should be our main strength because with the players such as Alonso and Gerrard we should score from various areas from the pitch as we did earlier this season.

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:59 pm

Oh alright sound, whatever, Hyypia's garbage then and needs replacing.

That Alonso aswell... well i tell you what Banana, on today's performance i'd take Murphy every time, at least Danny shown with effort how much he loved the club every time he played.

And golden boy Gerrard, what an impact he had today, was wonderful... did he even kick the ball? Cash in on him he's ****** aswell.

by **A.B.** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:01 pm

stu_the_red wrote:Oh alright sound, whatever, Hyypia's garbage then and needs replacing.

That Alonso aswell... well i tell you what Banana, on today's performance i'd take Murphy every time, at least Danny shown with effort how much he loved the club every time he played.

And golden boy Gerrard, what an impact he had today, was wonderful... did he even kick the ball? Cash in on him he's ****** aswell.

.......

by **JBG** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:07 pm

A.B. wrote:What formation did Benitez use today?

As of right now we should use 4-5-1 as I think we will be more effective with that kind of formation. Our midfield should be our main strength because with the players such as Alonso and Gerrard we should score from various areas from the pitch as we did earlier this season.

It was a 4-4-2 formation filled with fullbacks!

The back four lined up as usual, dropping deep in the first half as Boro kept possession.

In the second half we played further up the pitch, and Hyppia struggled as Hasseilbank turned him easily a few times.

The midfield AB had Hamman and Alonso sitting deep with Finnan and Riise out wide. The problem was that none of the midfield got forward to support the forwards, and the few times we did we actually looked like we could make something happen.

Garcia and Kewell were extremely disappointing, although the supply to them was poor. When they did get the ball they wasted possession and both players were guilty of delaying on the ball a number of times, allowing them to be dispossed.

Later Gerrard, Pongolle and Biscan came on. Gerrard didn't charge forward at all (probably due to lack of match fitness), instead he stayed back and passed the ball around. Biscan came on and tried to support the forwards, but he wasn't on long enough to influence the game.

Pongolle mostly played in the left channel when he came on, and his touch was hugely disappointing today. He got a sniff of the goal but his touch left him, allowing Southgate to put in a last gasp tackle.

by **A.B.** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:10 pm

John Barnes' Granny wrote:
A.B. wrote:What formation did Benitez use today?

As of right now we should use 4-5-1 as I think we will be more effective with that kind of formation. Our midfield should be our main strength because with the players such as Alonso and Gerrard we should score from various areas from the pitch as we did earlier this season.

It was a 4-4-2 formation filled with fullbacks!

The back four lined up as usual, dropping deep in the first half as Boro kept possession.

In the second half we played further up the pitch, and Hyppia struggled as Hasseilbank turned him easily a few times.

The midfield AB had Hamman and Alonso sitting deep with Finnan and Riise out wide. The problem was that none of the midfield got forward to support the forwards, and the few times we did we actually looked like we could make something happen.

Garcia and Kewell were extremely disappointing, although the supply to them was poor. When they did get the ball they wasted possession and both players were guilty of delaying on the ball a number of times, allowing them to be dispossed.

Later Gerrard, Pongolle and Biscan came on. Gerrard didn't charge forward at all (probably due to lack of match fitness), instead he stayed back and passed the ball around. Biscan came on and tried to support the forwards, but he wasn't on long enough to influence the game.

Pongolle mostly played in the left channel when he came on, and his touch was hugely disappointing today. He got a sniff of the goal but his touch left him, allowing Southgate to put in a last gasp tackle.

Our poorest game before this one was against Man Utd. now I can't simply imagine how poorely we played today. Quite disapointing for our standards.

We need more bloody luck.

by **JBG** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:14 pm

The only consolilation is that if Benitez is truly a top class manager, he'll intervene and finally stop the rot among certain players. He looked very angry after the game when interviewed by Sky, and I wouldn't blame him.

Fair enough if we lost today due to injuries or were simply outplayed by Boro (which we were!) but if all the players tried we could have salvaged something.

Next week is a huge week for us, and hopefully today's X-rated performance will provide the spur for the team to start digging out results.

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:17 pm

Its not down to luck.

In football you make your own luck.

If you don't take your chances you dont' deserve a thing. Simple as that.

by **A.B.** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:18 pm

Obiviously you did not understand what I ment. Luck as in not as getting many injuries as we have this season. We've lost two key strikers in less than a month.

by **115-1073096938** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:23 pm

Fair enough i supose, but i hate the word luck.

Luck sounds like a poor excuse to me, always had, always will. I HATE it with a passion when managers say we didn't deserve that or we were unlucky there. If you don't take your chances you deserve ****** all.

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