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redno7 » Mon Sep 30, 2013 12:51 pm wrote:Loved his response to Match of the Day 2 asking him about Sturridge's goal he scored with his arm. I can't remember his exact wording of it but he said Sturridge had been practicing headers all week in training and fat lot a good it did him. It made him chuckle a bit too. Credit to him for not doing a wenger and denying all knowledge of the incident. BR said it was scored with his arm but there ya go. Sturridge also admitted it too.

Aye. It wasn't deliberate. Tried to sticks his neck out whilst drawing his arm in. It's certainly not Danny's job to point it out to the ref.

correct. lets face it if that'd been scored at the other end they'd of done the same.

good job it was Daniel who scored with the use of an arm and not Luis , because the media would of kicked up a storm.

supersub » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:05 pm wrote:good job it was Daniel who scored with the use of an arm and not Luis , because the media would of kicked up a storm.

Yeah. Though today's morally boundless media points that out anyway. I read two reports this morning, themed on the fact it wasn't Suarez.

we were due a bit of luck at that place, not only for the beachball incident but for a few others as well

It wasn't a deliberate handball and it was hard to spot too. Even the Sunderland players didn't object.

It wasn't handball, biceps isn't hands 

metalhead » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:52 pm wrote:It wasn't handball, biceps isn't hands 

Agreed... Never "handball" in a million years! An excellent finish!

An interesting point is a handball must be deliberate for the referee to call it. However in reality, if the linesman or referee had seen it they would have called it - they all do.

SouthCoastShankly » Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:26 am wrote:An interesting point is a handball must be deliberate for the referee to call it. However in reality, if the linesman or referee had seen it they would have called it - they all do.

The rule should be extended. It should includ if the offending player gains an advantage by accidental handball that its also a free kick. That goal should never have stood in a million years (not a stab at Daniel by the way, everyone would have done the same thing and he was completely honest about the way it went in). You also see penalties that are occasionally not given because it hits the hand of a player but it "wasn't deliberate" even though sometimes its denying clear goal scoring chances.

As far as I'm concerned if it hits your hand or arm, its hand ball... if its deliberate, then its a punishable offence.

not sure I agree.   your running at the defender whose backing off, your into the area, you don't fancy your chances of getting past him so you flick the ball up right at his trailing arm... PENALTY!

not exactly fair?

redno7 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:13 pm wrote:not sure I agree.   your running at the defender whose backing off, your into the area, you don't fancy your chances of getting past him so you flick the ball up right at his trailing arm... PENALTY!

not exactly fair?

Mate, theres probably about ten players in the world who are good enough to do that and they're probably the ones who would fancy there chances of going past someone. If someone goes to block a ball with a hand, for me thats a bad reaction.

What about you're looking to cross a ball and it hits a defenders arm drops next to him and he clears it, if your cross is successful your centre forward is five yards out with an open goal? (I've had that happen).

For me it should be black an white, deliberate should only come in on deciding whether its a booking or sending off etc.

I've also given away a penalty for a trailing arm... I didn't mean to block the ball... but my arm was away from my body... I know its not deliberate... thats not fair by the current rules.

It it is not intentional it is not handball.....

StuYesThatStu » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:42 pm wrote:

redno7 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:13 pm wrote:not sure I agree.   your running at the defender whose backing off, your into the area, you don't fancy your chances of getting past him so you flick the ball up right at his trailing arm... PENALTY!

not exactly fair?

Mate, theres probably about ten players in the world who are good enough to do that and they're probably the ones who would fancy there chances of going past someone. If someone goes to block a ball with a hand, for me thats a bad reaction.

What about you're looking to cross a ball and it hits a defenders arm drops next to him and he clears it, if your cross is successful your centre forward is five yards out with an open goal? (I've had that happen).

For me it should be black an white, deliberate should only come in on deciding whether its a booking or sending off etc.

I've also given away a penalty for a trailing arm... I didn't mean to block the ball... but my arm was away from my body... I know its not deliberate... thats not fair by the current rules.

What if someone shoots 5 yards away from you and the ball hits your arm while you're, for example, protecting your face (like Joe Allen) or your arm is right next to your body where it should be, in it's natural position?

You can't cut off your arms mate. Sometimes it's just not the player's fault. If he's not doing it deliberately or if his arm is in a natural position and there's no time for the player to react and move the arm away, you just can't call a penalty on that.

But things like these should be more strict if it's outside your own penalty area. In my opinion, if you play with your hands like Zapata did last season (AC Milan vs Barcelona I think) or like Suarez did in the FA Cup (a goal was scored in both cases), it should be called a handball, even though it's neither deliberate nor your hands are away from your body or in a unnatural position. It shouldn't be called if it's in your own penalty box, but it should be called if it contributes to scoring a goal.

I think if your arm is out there, it's handball, even if unintentional. But if your arms are in, it's not handball. Sturridge was 50/50 I guess. Correct decision for me.