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by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:05 pm

Kenny Kan » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:17 am wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:06 am wrote:you have got to be careful when you replace your keeper, especially when you are a high profile club like liverpool or united.
plenty of keepers who looked outstanding between the sticks for other clubs suddenly start to come apart at the seams when the eyes of the world are upon them.
whenever liverpool or united play a game they are watched by hundreds of millions if not billions of people worldwide, those types of figures start to play tricks on keepers minds, not to mention the fact if they make a mistake it will be plastered all over the back of the sunday papers the next morning and be a topic of conversation in factories, building sites and offices up and down the land on monday.
the likes of david james, chris kirkland and brad friedel were all highly rated before they arrived at anfield (and friedel and james did well once they left) but they couldnt handle the pressure here.
united have had the same problem over the years too, the likes of bosnich and bartez looked great before they signed but turned into a bag of nerves once they stepped through the doors at old trafford.
being a keeper at a big club is as much about character as it is about athletic ability.
reina`s form over the past 2 seasons has been sketchy but he does look more like his old self again and make no mistake he will be tough to replace if he does decide to leave.
just because someone looks good for swansea or birmingham means nothing, liverpool and united have never signed a poor keeper, they start to turn into poor keepers AT united and liverpool, not before.
i`d rather he stayed but those comments by his arl fella dont sound too promising.

I understand what you're saying about Keepers at LFC and that other club. But the scaremongering amongst it all, shouldn't put us off looking for a new keeper. We'll have to move on at some point and we may as well start that now, while Pepe is flirting with the idea of Barca or another club. His performances have been of underachievement over the last 2yrs and it's only sensible and logical that we begin to make inquiries into other keepers.

as keepers go pepe is still relatively young, especially when you consider the likes of van der saar, freidel, david james etc who all played on past 40, infact pepe has probably still got as many years at the top level left in him as say hendo.
i wouldnt worry about his loss of form either, it`s happened to every player that`s ever laced up a pair of boots, if you play footy for well over a decade like pepe has sooner or later your form is going to fluctuate at some point.
i`d leave it up to reina, if he wants to leave then so be it but i wouldnt be looking to engineer a move or be rushing to bring anyone in.
i certainly hope we dont get vorm, i`m getting fed up of being linked with ex swansea players and chelsea fringe players.

by **damjan193** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:44 pm

ycstbasakwhat'shisname has a good point about keepers moving to big clubs and that's exactly why I don't want a 19 year old Butland to be a direct replacement to Reina. Maybe some time in the future if he proves himself but not yet.

Somebody has to be though, and I'm sure we'll be going after an EPL keeper. Last time I named a few but I can't believe I forgot to mention Simon Migolet. Has been an outstanding keeper this season. But Vorm is still my no.1 choice. I get what you're saying about getting tiered of being linked with Swansea players all the time, I feel the same way, but I think that Vorm is the best realistic choice we have as a replacement.

Still, I won't mind if instead of Vorm we get someone from this bunch:
Simon Migolet
Asmir Begovic
Tim Krul

As for Pepe's price, 10 mil is really very little money for him. He's worth around 14-18mil IMO.

by **kawaton** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:12 pm

Reg » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:21 am wrote:
kawaton » Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:57 am wrote:I think he will be off aswell.
He has been my favourite keeper for some 20 years in an LFC shirt

Strange, I though Wafa bought his not Paisley.

Took me 4 days but i finally got it lol. Bit slow like that.

re-worded he is my favuourite keeper since Grobelaar

by **maguskwt** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:20 pm

Selling reina for 10 million would be absolutely idiotic...

by **red till i die!!** » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:03 pm

if reina goes he will be replaced with butland or something similar.
vorn signed a new deal with swansea so he will cost more than that silly fee of £10mil for reina, cant see begovic being any cheaper either so it doesnt benefit us at all letting him go.
replacing a keeper is a hard thing to do and for us to throw some inexperienced young fella in would be a massive gamble. look at de gea and all the stuff thats being wrote and said about him and as ycab says its a lot of pressure for a young lad to deal with.
if we can somehow make top 4 this year then there is no way we should be letting him go

by **kazza** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:36 am

I have been disappointed with his performance of late. We needed a standout game against Arsenal and we never got it . He made the saves he was supposed to but I was disappointed with the Walcott goal, it was hit hard but Pepe should have charged out aggressively instead of standing back waiting. Two steps out makes the goal much smaller and puts pressure on the striker. He has made too many poor errors this season that cost us points and you will not win anything without a good keeper.

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:55 am

Can you list the errors that have cost us points from Pepe this season ?

by **The Good Yank** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:59 am

I'll agree on the Walcott goal. He was indecisive and was thinking a cross was coming. He then gets beat near post (seems to happen a lot ). The shot was well hit. But it went right under his left hand. He didn't even move for it.

He Also had a few kicks that went straight into the stands without any pressure on him. And a couple were with his right (stronger) foot.

As to him having a career as long as some of the keepers mentioned. I think his build may cut his career a little shorter. Pepe is a very big man. Not the tall lanky sort who can stay fit very easily. I think he weighs in the area of 220 pounds. A bit harder to get that sort of frame moving with cat like reflexes. That will not get easier with time.

by **The Good Yank** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:27 am

By the way I'm not saying we should be looking to get rid of Pepe. Just simply making a couple of observations. Another thing that crossed my mind is that mentally the past few years have had to be tough on him.

He's got to be thinking that his club career is all he has. Let's face it. He's never going to be Spain's #1. Yes he's the backup and has had some fun moments being the MC at the celebrations of Euros and World Cup celebrations, but he's got to want to make his own mark as a player.

Throw in the fact he's had no competition for us as our #1 and you could understand some complacency. Also add a long term project. I guess I can understand a drop in form thinking of all of that.

by **kazza** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:08 am

Both good posts TGY

I cannot be bothered Benny but it has been obvious. If you need to ask then maybe you have not been watching as they have been plentiful the last two seasons. I am sure they have been mentioned in this thread just read back.

by **LFC1990** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:36 am

I thought Pepe Had a good game V Arsenal To be honest. A couple of good saves but then again our defence was great so he didnt have much to do. The first goal was free header theres nothing he could have done. The second was a great goal by Theo if Reina had come out he would have just squared to it Giroud who would have scored.

The oldham game made me realise how much we take Reina for granted Jones' performance was awful and despite Reina making mistakes which have cost us previously all of our players have done but it only shows when its Reina or any goalkeeper.

I perviously said he should go if Barcelona came calling. Which I stand by simply because Casilas is having a rough time at Madrid recently and if Spain are looking for a new number 1 the first place they will lok at is the Spanish champions number 1. But the deal would have to be done very quick for us as we would need to replace imminently as Jones isnt good enough and the good keepers who will be available the likes of Begovic will be snapped up by the likes of United and Chelsea and Unless we get Champions league football i Cant see us signing the Valdes' of football

by **Benny The Noon** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:38 am

I need to ask because its pretty much a false accusation and people can't actually go through the points he has "dropped" in the prem. Even this season it's the same - try and remember these "points" ? You can't be bothered because you can't actually remember them - and you can't remember them because they are not actually that common and certainly no more common than all the other keepers

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:16 am

Benny The Noon » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:38 am wrote:I need to ask because its pretty much a false accusation and people can't actually go through the points he has "dropped" in the prem. Even this season it's the same - try and remember these "points" ? You can't be bothered because you can't actually remember them - and you can't remember them because they are not actually that common and certainly no more common than all the other keepers

While i agree that he hasnt made stand out errors that have cost games, can you name saves that he has made that have saved us points ?
I think for about 12-18 months he hasnt been the same keeper.

This season while not making big mistakes, there are shots that i think some keepers would be saving

Aston Villa - both Bentekes first which wasnt really hit with much pace and was from 25 yards, and Weimanns, while being pretty close in it went right in the middle of the goal and under him.

United - Van Persie's - very similar to Weimanns, not exactly easy but right in the centre of the goal.

Its not about actual mistakes for me so to speak, it's about saving some efforts than win you points.
I dont think he does that enough.
Having said that, i actually thought he played well against Arsenal, one of his best games for a long while.

by **woof woof !** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:31 pm

The Good Yank » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:59 am wrote:
As to him having a career as long as some of the keepers mentioned. I think his build may cut his career a little shorter. Pepe is a very big man. Not the tall lanky sort who can stay fit very easily. I think he weighs in the area of 220 pounds. A bit harder to get that sort of frame moving with cat like reflexes. That will not get easier with time.

Mate the likes of Neville Southall and Peter Schmeichel were both built like brick sh'ithouses and both played at the top flight when they were knocking on 40.

Pepe's 31, he's got years of top flight football ahead of him, what agility a keeper may lose as age catches up with them is often compensated by other things gained through years of experience e.g. presence, positional sense, confidence etc.

by **Kenny Kan** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:34 pm

I think he's lost his appetite at this club.

I also think he should have at least MOVED for Walcott's shot the other night.

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