Liverpool FC Forum

devaney » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:22 pm wrote:
I've maintained for a while that we need to use Stevie economically to get the very best out of him. What the fk Heimdall is on about suggesting that he should be eased out of the team beggars belief?

He's right, he will need to be replaced within the next couple of years. Last season people were saying Carragher wasn't past it and sadly he is well past it and this will probably be his last season with us.

Boxscarf » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:09 pm wrote:

devaney » Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:22 pm wrote:
I've maintained for a while that we need to use Stevie economically to get the very best out of him. What the fk Heimdall is on about suggesting that he should be eased out of the team beggars belief?

He's right, he will need to be replaced within the next couple of years. Last season people were saying Carragher wasn't past it and sadly he is well past it and this will probably be his last season with us.

heimdall just likes to be controversial
most players can play till their late thirties and stevie is still 32 so id hope he can play on till 36 if he's used correctly. im not saying he should start every game in that time but i see no reason atm as to why he should be dropped. its taken a while to get him going but he has turned it up a gear lately and is well worth the armband and a start as always. when you look at giggs and scholes and the impact both had at manure (up till last year) there is no reason why stevie cant do that here.
the lad has been the best player at this club in decades and he has given his carreer to this club so for that he deserves to be given a contract till he decides to call it a day. its what great clubs do and we are still a great club.
we have suso,shelvey and henderson in the ranks so when stevie hangs them up hopefully one of these can step in to those boots and fill the gap or we are in a better financial position to spend millions on.
steven gerrard absolute legend

I think the mantra now is: If the team play well Gerrard plays well. Not the other way round like it has been for almost a decade now.

Kenny Kan » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:43 am wrote:I think the mantra now is: If the team play well Gerrard plays well. Not the other way round like it has been for almost a decade now.

That's a fair comment, all I'm saying really is that Stevie sholdn't be an automatic starter any more.

heimdall » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:53 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:43 am wrote:I think the mantra now is: If the team play well Gerrard plays well. Not the other way round like it has been for almost a decade now.

That's a fair comment, all I'm saying really is that Stevie sholdn't be an automatic starter any more.

What you said exactly was that he should be eased out of the team. That is very different from being an automatic starter or using him economically.

rodger's says he would like to focus on recruiting local talent instead of recruiting "sexy imports".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... ers-scouse

my point is that we have so many already and does any of them really look like making the grade?. spearing coady  morgan  flanagan  robinson    kelly looks about the best of them but is no star by any means.
from the academy we have barkley,dunn,lussey and rossiter and these will be the next great hopes after the others have disapeared but are they going to be better than the current crop? rossiter and lussey look good but so did morgan and coady, but now look lost at this level.
ive nothing against local lads coming through but the point being we havent managed to do it in a long time and the last 2 great hopes were in warnock and darby who both werent good enough.

if brendan wants a team of scouse players then maybe he should be looking at managing in the practical league.

devaney » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:34 pm wrote:

heimdall » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:53 pm wrote:

Kenny Kan » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:43 am wrote:I think the mantra now is: If the team play well Gerrard plays well. Not the other way round like it has been for almost a decade now.

That's a fair comment, all I'm saying really is that Stevie sholdn't be an automatic starter any more.

What you said exactly was that he should be eased out of the team. That is very different from being an automatic starter or using him economically.

Hmm it's not really that different, if you think about it.

red till i die!! » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:11 pm wrote:rodger's says he would like to focus on recruiting local talent instead of recruiting "sexy imports".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... ers-scouse

my point is that we have so many already and does any of them really look like making the grade?. spearing coady  morgan  flanagan  robinson    kelly looks about the best of them but is no star by any means.
from the academy we have barkley,dunn,lussey and rossiter and these will be the next great hopes after the others have disapeared but are they going to be better than the current crop? rossiter and lussey look good but so did morgan and coady, but now look lost at this level.
ive nothing against local lads coming through but the point being we havent managed to do it in a long time and the last 2 great hopes were in warnock and darby who both werent good enough.

if brendan wants a team of scouse players then maybe he should be looking at managing in the practical league.

If you read it properly, what he says is that if there is talent on the dorrstep he would love to have it here, at no point is there an actual quote from BR saying he wants only scouse players.  more shoddy journo work to make a story

Ola Mr Benitez » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:15 pm wrote:

red till i die!! » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:11 pm wrote:rodger's says he would like to focus on recruiting local talent instead of recruiting "sexy imports".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013 ... ers-scouse

my point is that we have so many already and does any of them really look like making the grade?. spearing coady  morgan  flanagan  robinson    kelly looks about the best of them but is no star by any means.
from the academy we have barkley,dunn,lussey and rossiter and these will be the next great hopes after the others have disapeared but are they going to be better than the current crop? rossiter and lussey look good but so did morgan and coady, but now look lost at this level.
ive nothing against local lads coming through but the point being we havent managed to do it in a long time and the last 2 great hopes were in warnock and darby who both werent good enough.

if brendan wants a team of scouse players then maybe he should be looking at managing in the practical league.

If you read it properly, what he says is that if there is talent on the dorrstep he would love to have it here, at no point is there an actual quote from BR saying he wants only scouse players.  more shoddy journo work to make a story

the only thing i quoted from that piece was "sexy imports" and my assumption that he wants to recruit local which he does.
the rest is my opinion not fact.
he's clearly quoted as saying,  RODGERS, HOWEVER, INSISTS IT IS A PRIORITY AS LIVERPOOL MANAGER TO ENSURE Carragher and Gerrard ARE FOLLOWED INTO THE FIRST TEAM BY FRESH LOCAL TALENT, AND CLAIMED THERE WILL BE ADDED EMPHASIS ON THAT SEARCH DURING HIS REIGN.

and then, THE LIVERPOOL MANAGER SAID "MY BIG THING IS GETTING LOCAL PLAYERS IN HERE FROM THE LOCAL AREA HERE IN LIVERPOOL".

followed up by," BRINGING THAT THROUGH IS A MASSIVE PART OF MY JOB AND IS SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO PUT IN PLACE".

what he says there is he wants to recruit local talent as a priority and its something he is looking to put in place.
again i never said either that he WANTS a team of scousers, i said if he did he should be managing in the practical league, my post was about the amount of local talent we have brought through over the last 10 years and whether they are good enough or not and if you had of read my post properly you would have seen that.
lazy journalism  if anything rodgers should stop with his interview a day to anyone who will listen.
never in my days as a supporter have i seen a liverpool manager lick reporters ar$es like he does. he'd be better off keeping his memos and putting them aside for a book in case he should ever become successful rather than phone them up every time he has a notion.

Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers avoiding pitfalls that cost Roy Hodgson job two years ago.
With barely a whisper of acknowledgement, Liverpool marked an anniversary of sorts earlier this week.

By Chris Bascombe
11:00PM GMT 10 Jan 2013

It was two years ago when, on the eve of a trip to Old Trafford, Roy Hodgson left Anfield, his brief tenure ending after 20 grey games during which he accumulated a meagre 25 points.

Given statistical tables are often given the same level of worship at Liverpool the Greeks once offered their Gods, Brendan Rodgers would have looked upon those figures with a certain degree of trepidation.

Heading into the new year, he had won the same number of Premier League games over the same period as Hodgson, collecting three more points thanks to three more draws.

To those who measure the difference in numbers, it is not much. In reality, the difference between Liverpool under Rodgers and Hodgson stretches several volumes.

There has been no undercurrent of discontent towards Rodgers, no murmurings of disquiet from the training ground, no suggestions he is keeping things ticking over until a better option comes along. He is not looking over his shoulder worrying about which ex-manager will take his job.

Rodgers, like everyone else connected to Anfield, is unhappy with Liverpool’s position and results. He expects and need January additions to trigger a major improvement in the second half of the season.

His greatest success so far is ensuring the overwhelming majority of supporters trust him to lead them through what could be a time-consuming ordeal. For the uninitiated, what it ultimately comes down to is Rodgers selling a vision.

There has been criticism the Northern Irishman is trying to ‘reinvent the wheel’ at Liverpool, preaching to the congregation about the passing game trademarked by Bill Shankly and embodied by Kenny Dalglish.

Rodgers has never claimed to be fashioning Liverpool’s style, only restoring and replenishing it. He was recruited to weld tradition with a more modern approach to coaching and sports science. Those of a sensitive disposition think a eulogy of Rodgers is disparaging to Dalglish. It is not.

It is a fact Dalglish was not a hands-on coach. He delegated most training duties to assistant Steve Clarke. His desire was for players to go out and express themselves and play with freedom in the Liverpool way but his tendency to select, or sometimes change team selections at the last minute meant that certain tactical intricacies were overlooked.

The broader philosophy was hardly dissimilar to Rodgers’, but the current manager demands players work within a clearly defined structure and plan. You watch Rodgers’ side and you see how it has been coached, what they are trying to achieve, what each player is supposed to be doing in his persevering with 4-3-3. You may not agree with it, you may even think it is passing for passing’s sake, but the training pitch hours are visible.

Under Hodgson, the defensive, rigid structure was also easily identifiable but utterly unpalatable. Even under Gérard Houllier and Rafa Benítez, training was focused more on organisation, defensive solidity, and a meticulous understanding of the opposition. It was about the next game and getting the result rather than a ‘philosophy’.

They were, at their heart, pragmatic, counter-attacking managers.

There were more 11-a-side games at Melwood, a particular source of unrest under Hodgson due to his propensity for stopping play every five minutes to explain to each player where they should be standing.

Under Rodgers, the work is virtually all based on offensive play, with small-sided games indoctrinating the belief possession is king.

This system has been spread across all levels of Anfield. Since recently appointing Alex Inglethorpe from Spurs to his youth coaching ranks, from the first team down to

Liverpool’s under-nines, every side is playing the same 4-3-3.

It is what Barcelona do, protecting their identity regardless of changing personnel.

The other factor is man-management. When Gareth Southgate once famously said of Sven-Goran Eriksson “we wanted Churchill and got Iain Duncan-Smith” it was not a reflection on the Swede’s ability to organise two banks of four.

Rodgers can sound like a charismatic salesman. The modern coach has to be - to fans, supporters, media and, to some extent, his own board.

Say the right things and you are accused of playing to the gallery. Get it wrong on a weekly basis, like Hodgson, and you are finished.

Rodgers’ personality has warmed him to the dressing room, but as the misguided Being: Liverpool documentary demonstrated, his management is not without backbone.

Liverpool won a recent fixture having enjoyed 26 shots on target and Rodgers called a meeting to congratulate his team on their win. Then he asked a couple of attackers how many of those shots they had had. Not enough. In the next game, those same players peppered the opposition’s goal. It is not about the patter. It is always about winning.

Just before Christmas, Rodgers joked he was “only renting” his new home in the plush outskirts of Liverpool. The league table does not make good reading. He needs the second half of the season to fulfil the promise of early performances.

Privately, perhaps with the slightest pang of anxiety, Rodgers also sought to know what went so wrong for Hodgson that he was discarded after just six months.

He will be relieved to know that was not solely about results, the difference in tone ahead of a trip to Old Trafford now and then far more than a few points.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... s-ago.html

Reg » Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:29 am wrote:Liverpool's Brendan Rodgers avoiding pitfalls that cost Roy Hodgson job two years ago.
With barely a whisper of acknowledgement, Liverpool marked an anniversary of sorts earlier this week.

By Chris Bascombe
11:00PM GMT 10 Jan 2013

It was two years ago when, on the eve of a trip to Old Trafford, Roy Hodgson left Anfield, his brief tenure ending after 20 grey games during which he accumulated a meagre 25 points.

Given statistical tables are often given the same level of worship at Liverpool the Greeks once offered their Gods, Brendan Rodgers would have looked upon those figures with a certain degree of trepidation.

Heading into the new year, he had won the same number of Premier League games over the same period as Hodgson, collecting three more points thanks to three more draws.

To those who measure the difference in numbers, it is not much. In reality, the difference between Liverpool under Rodgers and Hodgson stretches several volumes.

There has been no undercurrent of discontent towards Rodgers, no murmurings of disquiet from the training ground, no suggestions he is keeping things ticking over until a better option comes along. He is not looking over his shoulder worrying about which ex-manager will take his job.

Rodgers, like everyone else connected to Anfield, is unhappy with Liverpool’s position and results. He expects and need January additions to trigger a major improvement in the second half of the season.

His greatest success so far is ensuring the overwhelming majority of supporters trust him to lead them through what could be a time-consuming ordeal. For the uninitiated, what it ultimately comes down to is Rodgers selling a vision.

There has been criticism the Northern Irishman is trying to ‘reinvent the wheel’ at Liverpool, preaching to the congregation about the passing game trademarked by Bill Shankly and embodied by Kenny Dalglish.

Rodgers has never claimed to be fashioning Liverpool’s style, only restoring and replenishing it. He was recruited to weld tradition with a more modern approach to coaching and sports science. Those of a sensitive disposition think a eulogy of Rodgers is disparaging to Dalglish. It is not.

It is a fact Dalglish was not a hands-on coach. He delegated most training duties to assistant Steve Clarke. His desire was for players to go out and express themselves and play with freedom in the Liverpool way but his tendency to select, or sometimes change team selections at the last minute meant that certain tactical intricacies were overlooked.

The broader philosophy was hardly dissimilar to Rodgers’, but the current manager demands players work within a clearly defined structure and plan. You watch Rodgers’ side and you see how it has been coached, what they are trying to achieve, what each player is supposed to be doing in his persevering with 4-3-3. You may not agree with it, you may even think it is passing for passing’s sake, but the training pitch hours are visible.

Under Hodgson, the defensive, rigid structure was also easily identifiable but utterly unpalatable. Even under Gérard Houllier and Rafa Benítez, training was focused more on organisation, defensive solidity, and a meticulous understanding of the opposition. It was about the next game and getting the result rather than a ‘philosophy’.

They were, at their heart, pragmatic, counter-attacking managers.

There were more 11-a-side games at Melwood, a particular source of unrest under Hodgson due to his propensity for stopping play every five minutes to explain to each player where they should be standing.

Under Rodgers, the work is virtually all based on offensive play, with small-sided games indoctrinating the belief possession is king.

This system has been spread across all levels of Anfield. Since recently appointing Alex Inglethorpe from Spurs to his youth coaching ranks, from the first team down to

Liverpool’s under-nines, every side is playing the same 4-3-3.

It is what Barcelona do, protecting their identity regardless of changing personnel.

The other factor is man-management. When Gareth Southgate once famously said of Sven-Goran Eriksson “we wanted Churchill and got Iain Duncan-Smith” it was not a reflection on the Swede’s ability to organise two banks of four.

Rodgers can sound like a charismatic salesman. The modern coach has to be - to fans, supporters, media and, to some extent, his own board.

Say the right things and you are accused of playing to the gallery. Get it wrong on a weekly basis, like Hodgson, and you are finished.

Rodgers’ personality has warmed him to the dressing room, but as the misguided Being: Liverpool documentary demonstrated, his management is not without backbone.

Liverpool won a recent fixture having enjoyed 26 shots on target and Rodgers called a meeting to congratulate his team on their win. Then he asked a couple of attackers how many of those shots they had had. Not enough. In the next game, those same players peppered the opposition’s goal. It is not about the patter. It is always about winning.

Just before Christmas, Rodgers joked he was “only renting” his new home in the plush outskirts of Liverpool. The league table does not make good reading. He needs the second half of the season to fulfil the promise of early performances.

Privately, perhaps with the slightest pang of anxiety, Rodgers also sought to know what went so wrong for Hodgson that he was discarded after just six months.

He will be relieved to know that was not solely about results, the difference in tone ahead of a trip to Old Trafford now and then far more than a few points.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... s-ago.html

Good article...

Yes an excellent well thought out  read

Kenny Dalglish was criticised for his signings, but Rodgers' signings have been worse. Sturridge is the first decent player he's signed and I'm hoping he will sign another couple of players of similar quality before the end of the month. The squad is still too small, so a couple of new faces would be welcome.

Rafa's early signings worked out no better, it takes time.

Reg » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:00 pm wrote:Rafa's early signings worked out no better, it takes time.

Youre right
I am frustrated as fu'ck but the second half has given me hope