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Thommo's perm » Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:35 am wrote:

The_Rock » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:07 pm wrote:You can't blame buck. FSG are to blame. They think everything will be good & ez if they hire a young manager who has high ambition.

And look what happens ? Buck rodgers gets outwitted by tony pulis..

I dont know about outwitted. They played the same as they always play, pulis didnt do anything different?
We were beaten by a team who played to their strengths and took their chances

They pressurised our team whenever we had the ball. And we couldn't cope with that.

Yup you are right...outwitted is not the correct word. Practically the whole league knows how to play against us. Its not rocket science.

BR has to get his midfield combination right. Gerrard and Shelvey can't play in the same team ...let alone midfield. They are just not disciplined enough.

What I cannot stand is all the excuses being made..

We have squad that is at least as good as Everton, except at left back an attacking MF- Felliani.

But difference is they know how they want to play and they execute it....

sgs » Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:41 am wrote:What I cannot stand is all the excuses being made..

We have squad that is at least as good as Everton, except at left back an attacking MF- Felliani.

But difference is they know how they want to play and they execute it....

BR is a smart guy. But he has to be a little more flexible. Sticking to his "philosophy" so rigidly is not gonna suddenly turn water into wine. The players is our team just can't play the barca way. He should be more adaptable to the strenghts of this current team and then slowly  bring in players who can do whatever he wants.

Thommo's perm » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:35 pm wrote:

The_Rock » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:07 pm wrote:You can't blame buck. FSG are to blame. They think everything will be good & ez if they hire a young manager who has high ambition.

And look what happens ? Buck rodgers gets outwitted by tony pulis..

I dont know about outwitted. They played the same as they always play, pulis didnt do anything different?
We were beaten by a team who played to their strengths and took their chances

stoke dream about playing teams like us - lightweight, easily bullied, short in stature, predictable and easily outgrafted.

We shouldnt be 10th I know that much and if we finish any lower than 5th its under achieving.

End of the day we are budgeted to be at least that surely and anything less is a bad year, just
ask Dalglish.

If you look at the 5 above us at this point its hard to accept they will end the campaign above
after the investment made in the last few years and hopefully in January.

Buildings one thing but its not without realsitic targets and expectation and we should be better
than 10th, that aint good enough.

Seriously FSG are frecking di@k heads.

Replacing one of the most experienced managers in the world with buck rodgers (no fault of his...he is a very decent manager...but LFC is too soon a step up for him) is unbelievable.

in the 3 points for a win era (which started in the early 80`s) this is the lowest points total we`ve ever had at the halfway point of the season.
even worse than hodgson and souness etc.

As I've said before we need a Director of Football to help the manager imo. We have no football men at the club. He still clearly has a lot to learn.

I don't buy this "philosophy" myth and haven't since day one. We've always played passing football. What I will say is the manager needs more than one transfer window to get all the players in he wants.

stmichael » Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:28 pm wrote:As I've said before we need a Director of Football to help the manager imo. We have no football men at the club. He still clearly has a lot to learn.

I don't buy this "philosophy" myth and haven't since day one. We've always played passing football. What I will say is the manager needs more than one transfer window to get all the players in he wants.

He has brought in the likes of Allen (who wasn't really needed), Borini (who has been poor before being injured) and now bringing Sturridge (who has also divided the fans).

At this rate he would have signed half the Chelsea rejects and Swansea squad if we give him a few 'more' transfer windows.

It is starting to become very apparent that he just doesn't have the balls to think outside his comfort zone.

A lot of fans are asking is this the way forward? 

stmichael » Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:28 pm wrote:As I've said before we need a Director of Football to help the manager imo. We have no football men at the club. He still clearly has a lot to learn.

I don't buy this "philosophy" myth and haven't since day one. We've always played passing football. What I will say is the manager needs more than one transfer window to get all the players in he wants.

Assaidi still hasn't started a premiership game. Sahin isn't in the team and hasn't been for weeks. We need players who can adapt within a few months otherwise what is the direction we are going in? The manager is beginning to look horribly out of his depth. The game on sunday is looking critical in terms of the future.

Lads, stop squirming.... Rome wasn't built in a day, it takes time. Those complaining about Sahin, Borrini etc.. bear in mind less than 50% of Rafa's first 15 buys didn't work out and only when you establish the pattern of play and start to make progress in the league do your buys become more focused with a more successful hit rate.

It aint going to happen in 6 months lads, sit back and read a book.

We can hope and pray that all the excuses many of us here have been giving regarding BR like, we're rebuilding, he and the squad needs time, we're not spending heavily yet because we need to balance the books first, Rome wasn't built in i day, etc etc. I hope they're right and in due time, we can move up in the table and be among the elites again. But I have to say that appointing BR in the summer was as big a risk as appointing Hodgson 2 years ago. Prior to appointing BR, he had only 1 full season of experience with Swans in the PL and they finished mid table. He has no track record of winning any trophies and yet FSG appointed him to win trophies with us. This is absolutely ridiculous to expect such high standards from a young, unproven manager. What was going on in the thick heads of FSG. Martinez of Wigan was their first choice, the reason being, he's a good relegation dodger every season and that according to FSG is perfectly good enough to manage Liverpool. Can you imagine where we were now had Martinez been appointed? Scary thought. I am not demanding for BR to be sacked because he hasn't been given the opportunity to prove himself yet, but all I'm saying is, it was a huge risk to appoint him. Had FSG appointed Rafa, it wouldn't be such a big risk, look at how his Chelsea team is starting to fly now. It pains me to see that.

Good post mate. You could also summarise as we are at such a low point in our history in terms of a non-settled/productive/experiences squad without a strong reserve team back up or access to CL that the new owners may as well appoint a young inexperienced manager. Lets be honest in my 40 years following the Reds, we've never been so weak so it can't get any worse. Even if we were relegated it wouldn't be because of playing worse football, just more of some of the cr@p I've watched us play. Fortunately for us, whilst we continue to lose matches and drop points, most of the teams around us have done the same covering up our mistakes. The Toffees are one of the few consistent sides this year and instead of being their usual 10th, their up at the top, not for being outstanding, but for being consistent.

It took 12 months to destroy the Rafa squad and will take 5 years minimum to rebuild it going the young boy route.

This season 8th.
2013/14 6-7th
2014/15 6-7th
2015/16 4-5th
2016/17 3rd.

This is a joke. I thought the villa game was a low. You all know how i feel about br being way to inexperanced to be in charge. Now we are going backward. Fsg wont allow a sub 10th place finish.

The Raven » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:09 pm wrote: Fsg wont allow a sub 10th place finish.

FSG are well aware of the strategy and obviously give it full support. This season is a building season to get rid of unwanted players and bring in young lads. Next season will be consolidation, young lads fighting for regular places whilst bringing in better/more experienced players once the budget permits. Its kinda what Rafa was doing but he was bringing in 16-17 year olds whereas Buck is bringing in 20-23 year olds - no new tricks on show, just building a young squad on a tight budget balanced against a frustrated fanbase. Yes, its' bl**dy frustrating especially for the awl b'stards on the forum.