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Boxscarf » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:04 pm wrote:Rodgers needs time, he inherited a horrendously average mid-table squad and he's trying to ring fences whole-sale change on a shoe-string budget, we cannot expect too much too soon which is what a lot of supporters are doing. Added with the fact that we have rotten luck both from our biggest foe the framework of the goal and referees, is it any wonder we are where we are at the moment? There's not a lot you can do when your team has players like Downing and Henderson in it and there's not a lot you can do when you star striker gets kicked to the ground (yes, Gallas that's exactly what you did) and nothing is given.

Well you could perhaps not play Henderson and Downing, there problem solved :-)

In all seriousness I'm hoping Brendan is brave enough to do what he needs to do, and that it to never ever play Henderson or Downing again, unless all the other players are sick and injured.
He also needs to drop Gerrard from the team, he has become a liability now, we need to start playing Shelvey in Stevie's role and build up his confidence, he will be an even more influential player for us than Sterling.
Final point lets please please please play Defenders in defensive positions, I like Enrique a lot but I also like Assaidi and Suso and I'm sure they cold do almost as good a job as Enrique.

if martin kelly hadn't got a serious injury we'd arguably hardly seen downing or enrique at left back as johnson would have played there.

jacdaniel » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:36 pm wrote:

stmichael » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:41 pm wrote:The problems have built up over a number of years due to gross mismanagement and lack of strategy at the very top. Sadly I always knew it would come to this if we struggled to get results quickly this season. It was always going to be easy to blame Rodgers given his short track record.

Sadly true. 

Selling to H + G, even contacting Klinsmann for the managers job when Rafa had got us to 2 CL finals, the general lack of investment from H + G, sacking Rafa eventually, hiring a clown (sorry but he really was/is), whoever negotiated the Carroll, Hendo + Downing fees, the whole stadium issue, letting your record signing go on loan with no replacement, lack of ownership during the Suarez, Evra thing, failure to invest when Lucas was injured and Suarez banned. 

We've only got ourselves to blame...

I can't agree with much of the end of this. Carroll was coming good at the end of last season he's a young player with a huge price tag on his shoulders. We'll never know now what he could have done from the start of this season. Henderson a similar thing and he played pretty well recently against Wigan as it goes. What can Downing do if he's not picked to start games in the premiership this season? Didn't he score the winner against Anzhi at home that could prove crucial to us getting through? I don't remember many other clear cut chances that night.

As for the stadium a stadium or the rebuilding of Anfield isn't going to happen overnight. I'm not sure that FSG should be blamed over this. Better that they get it right than rush it as was the case last time. Even when Lucas was in the team we weren't in the top four though Spearing and Shelvey weren't as good in that role. Suarez scored one goal in the premiership between the derby at the start of October and the start of his ban at the end of December. As I recall Carroll, Kuyt and Bellamy did ok in his absence.

I agree that Brendan shouldn't be blamed for all that's wrong now but neither should Kenny. Kenny made some mistakes in the transfer market but don't all managers? Rafa certainly got it wrong a few times. Kenny had been out of the job for a number of years he didn't have to take the job on again to give us the stability that we needed. Rome isn't built in a day and two cup finals winning one was actually a start for the future. Even if Kenny wasn't the right man for the long term he might have turned it around this season but his work will still give us the platform for the future.

I don't absolve Brendan of all responsibility for the current results. Joe Allen doesn't look like a top four midfielder to me. When will Assaidi start a premiership game? Will Borini score goals when he's fit again? I want Brendan to succeed but the jury is very much out. He won't get forever in the job patience will only stretch for so long.

seen some posts on another website saying that on Talk sport today they said Rodgers has been told by our owners that results must get better in the next 4 weeks.

what is this based on, i have heard nothing of this on sky or the bbc?

lakes10 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:39 pm wrote:seen some posts on another website saying that on Talk sport today they said Rodgers has been told by our owners that results must get better in the next 4 weeks.

what is this based on, i have heard nothing of this on sky or the bbc?

Talk sport?
Hes a gonner then!

Thommo's perm » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:43 pm wrote:

lakes10 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:39 pm wrote:seen some posts on another website saying that on Talk sport today they said Rodgers has been told by our owners that results must get better in the next 4 weeks.

what is this based on, i have heard nothing of this on sky or the bbc?

Talk sport?
Hes a gonner then!

lol mate, Talk sports is a joke but from time to time have got things right but on the other websites and twitter they seem to think this is why Rodgers has come out saying what he has said about other players.

i have looked and looked but have found nothing to back up what talksh1t have said.

stmichael » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:00 pm wrote:it actually beggars belief that people are comparing rodgers to hodgson. under hodgson the football was turgid and he alienated the fans by praising up our biggest rivals and talking us down all the time. he also peeved agger, johnson and lucas off to the extent where all three wanted to leave at one stage. he was the complete opposite of everything this club has been about. unfortunately this club isn't the same as it used to be in general ever since we sacked our best manager in twenty years and sacked a club legend for winning trophies. now we have fans questioning another new manager after 5 months.

5 months in which we`ve seen our worst start since the titanic went down in 1912 and 5 months that has seen us in the bottom half of the table.
what do you expect the fans to do? get the flags out and celebrate the fact we play 4-3-3?

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:51 pm wrote:

stmichael » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:00 pm wrote:it actually beggars belief that people are comparing rodgers to hodgson. under hodgson the football was turgid and he alienated the fans by praising up our biggest rivals and talking us down all the time. he also peeved agger, johnson and lucas off to the extent where all three wanted to leave at one stage. he was the complete opposite of everything this club has been about. unfortunately this club isn't the same as it used to be in general ever since we sacked our best manager in twenty years and sacked a club legend for winning trophies. now we have fans questioning another new manager after 5 months.

5 months in which we`ve seen our worst start since the titanic went down in 1912 and 5 months that has seen us in the bottom half of the table.
what do you expect the fans to do? get the flags out and celebrate the fact we play 4-3-3?

Nothing wrong with a bit of Liverpudlian bunting 

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:51 pm wrote:

stmichael » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:00 pm wrote:it actually beggars belief that people are comparing rodgers to hodgson. under hodgson the football was turgid and he alienated the fans by praising up our biggest rivals and talking us down all the time. he also peeved agger, johnson and lucas off to the extent where all three wanted to leave at one stage. he was the complete opposite of everything this club has been about. unfortunately this club isn't the same as it used to be in general ever since we sacked our best manager in twenty years and sacked a club legend for winning trophies. now we have fans questioning another new manager after 5 months.

5 months in which we`ve seen our worst start since the titanic went down in 1912 and 5 months that has seen us in the bottom half of the table.
what do you expect the fans to do? get the flags out and celebrate the fact we play 4-3-3?

Thats what most are doing.     

Lets hope that we win today and they can come back and point and laugh at us.

I don't think Rodgers is in any danger at the moment as long as the team remains at least in mid-table but if there isn't progress into the top six by the middle of next season I think questions will start to be asked in more depth about his long term strategy.

Rodgers is a a lot smarter than many think, he has managed to convince some plebs he is the incarnation of Shanks, and that passing the ball around in your own half has turned us into Barca, even though our results and points total is pathetic. He might one day become a good manager, but he ain't one now, and is using my club as a practice ground. I think FSG hired him because he'll do as he is told, and was desperate for the job.

redtrader74 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:05 am wrote:Rodgers is a a lot smarter than many think, he has managed to convince some plebs he is the incarnation of Shanks, and that passing the ball around in your own half has turned us into Barca, even though our results and points total is pathetic. He might one day become a good manager, but he ain't one now, and is using my club as a practice ground. I think FSG hired him because he'll do as he is told, and was desperate for the job.

ouch

redtrader74 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:05 am wrote:Rodgers is a a lot smarter than many think, he has managed to convince some plebs he is the incarnation of Shanks, and that passing the ball around in your own half has turned us into Barca.

LMAO. I was having a crappy day but that made giggle like a drunk ape. Bravo

The Raven » Sat Dec 01, 2012 6:41 am wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:51 pm wrote:

stmichael » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:00 pm wrote:it actually beggars belief that people are comparing rodgers to hodgson. under hodgson the football was turgid and he alienated the fans by praising up our biggest rivals and talking us down all the time. he also peeved agger, johnson and lucas off to the extent where all three wanted to leave at one stage. he was the complete opposite of everything this club has been about. unfortunately this club isn't the same as it used to be in general ever since we sacked our best manager in twenty years and sacked a club legend for winning trophies. now we have fans questioning another new manager after 5 months.

5 months in which we`ve seen our worst start since the titanic went down in 1912 and 5 months that has seen us in the bottom half of the table.
what do you expect the fans to do? get the flags out and celebrate the fact we play 4-3-3?

Thats what most are doing.     

Lets hope that we win today and they can come back and point and laugh at us.

we will beat southampton at home. i reckon  it`s going to be a comfortable home win. we are not that bad.
if we cant even beat the likes of them at anfield then thats the time to officially press the panic button, relegation becomes a factor if we cant even turn the likes of them over at anfield.

Liverpool could still finish season in top four, says Brendan Rodgers

• Manager plans to be as busy as possible in transfer window
• Lucas Leiva back in squad for first time since August injury

Brendan Rodgers has claimed Champions League qualification remains a legitimate target despite Liverpool having won only three Premier League games this season.

Rodgers's side host Southampton on Saturday closer to the relegation zone than the top four, with four points separating them from Nigel Adkins's third-bottom team and a 10-point gap from fourth-placed West Bromwich Albion. Yet with no side pulling clear in fourth, and Rodgers confident of adding to his forward line in January, the Liverpool manager believes a top-four finish is not impossible should the team recover ground before the transfer window opens.

The Northern Irishman, who saw an eight-match unbeaten run end at Tottenham Hotspur on Wednesday, said: "It is realistic, absolutely. Teams are taking points off each other. Let's be honest, it is a big ask, a massive ask, but that has to be our target. We are going to look to try and get as close to that as we possibly can."

The Liverpool manager also claimed to be unconcerned at a return of only 16 points from 14 Premier League games and the team's proximity to the relegation zone. "I wouldn't want to think about us like that," he said. "The table is very tight and we have had a run of games where we didn't quite have the wins we wanted but we played well. Now we have to show the winning mentality. Over the course of the next month there is an opportunity to gets wins on the board.

"I am only looking upwards. In August I was thinking we just had to hang on with the group we have got and try to develop the young players. The senior players have been brilliant, too. The way Martin Skrtel and Daniel Agger controlled Jermaine Defoe on Wednesday, and Defoe is one of the best strikers around at the minute, was brilliant. These guys are working well and working hard. I have an inherent belief in the group and that will continue to grow. If I didn't have that, I would be concerned. I would tell you."

The Liverpool manager, who has Lucas Leiva back in the squad for the first time since he tore a thigh muscle in August, is adamant the team's confidence will not be undermined by the lack of victories.

He explained: "If you look at the players they are giving everything. They are not walking or strolling about. They are giving their maximum. We went into the changing room after Wednesday's game and wondered how we lost it. My job is to keep that confidence, belief in the group because eventually it will change, whether it is through one or two additions or whether one or two find some form and get some goals.

"I've always been very optimistic in my life. There's no doubt we need to get results, I know that as well as anyone. I have got a vision of where I want us to go and I believe we are on track. Things have gone against us and it does exasperate you. You think to yourself: 'What have we got to do to get a penalty or get a bit of luck?'But I don't see us anywhere near that point. I see a group that is motivated and very committed to the cause, working very hard to get those results. That is all you can do. If you have got that as your core, then you have got a chance. Then it comes down to quality."

Rodgers admits that any reinforcements in January – and the manager has ruled out a move for Aston Villa's Darren Bent – must arrive early in the window. "I think we will be able to do business at the beginning. That was our strategy coming out of August: to get that support at the beginning of the month and then improve it. That would be the idea. If we could do that, it would be a big boost for us," he said. Asked how much business he wishes to conduct in January, Rodgers added: "As much as I can do really."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... an-rodgers