Liverpool FC Forum

heimdall » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:31 pm wrote:Lets say for one crazy moment that you were the owner, would you be happy with not being able to fire the manager even if he got the team relegated. Of course the owners have the right to fire anyone they want and that's how it has to be. In any case Kenny had a horrible league season and had to go, I still have the utmost faith in Brendan but he needs to pick a new cpatain for the club becasue Stevie is not doing his job, he should have been firing the players up against West Brom and been givign them a verbal kick up the ***** instead of leading by example in having a negative attitude and feck all drive and passion.

If Kenny got us relegated, Kenny would of walked away. If Kenny felt he was still able to do the job he was brought back to do then I have every faith in Kenny being able to do that job. Kenny would walkaway once he felt he couldn't do the job so the owner(s) wouldn't have to sack him. They made the wrong decision.

As for Brendan Rodgers needing a new captain, well that doesn't deserve any response other than what a load of f*cking *****.

SouthCoastShankly » Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:38 pm wrote:Clearly you are saying that or at least suggesting he could never do any wrong.

Obviously he has the right to step down, but no one should write in stone that this is the only way he should leave.

Clearly you interrupt things wrong then, as I'm not saying or suggesting that Kenny can do no wrong. Of course he can because at the end of the day, Kenny Dalglish is a human and humans make mistakes - hence your mistake in interpreting what I've said.

Kenny, however, deserves the right to step down when he wishes due to what the man has given to this club over the years. Not only him, his entire family. If Kenny felt he weren't up to the job anymore, he'd step down. And as I've said, I'd trust Kenny's decision more than the owners.

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:18 pm wrote:
He preffered the extra 20 grand a week

It doesn't matter what his motivation was, the fact remains he opted to sign for Spurs and not us.

Does it make a me bad supporter that I wasn't at all surprised that we lost to West Brom? Not much has changed since last season and who can expect it to at the moment? Rodgers has had to operate on a shoe-string budget and has spent around £28m which is a lot of money, don't get me wrong, but it's going to take more than £28m to get us playing the type of football that Rodgers wants us to play. I just hope the board aren't like an ever increasing section of our fanbase that gets cold feet when things aren't going our way and decides to dispose of the manager, because I will be livid if Rodgers is out the door. Not even Mourinho could walk into this club and change our fortunes on just £28m while operating on what appears to be a buy-to-sell transfer policy, so some patience is needed this season and maybe the next one and the one after. I'm expecting more results like this before the season is out, that's for sure.

friendlyguy33 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:44 pm wrote:We all had our say after the disappointment of saturday's result but there is one thing we will all hopefully agree on and that's that we must get behind the manager. He's still the right man for the job and he's been brave and bold in his public statements about the future and the challenges ahead.

Though I don't want to see too many tonkings in the next few weeks and months I accept that it's going to be a long haul to recovery and a better future. I think he will succeed and he needs to be backed in these difficult times.

i`m not a huge fan of the managers uber realistic approach in post match interviews, press conferences, newspaper columns etc.
all this `it may take 4 years` and `we`ll have plenty more days like this` after we`ve been tonked by perennial relegation dodgers can let the players off the hook. i understand that he`s trying to keep a lid on expectations but to me it`s a convienent ready made excuse for players to throw in the towel when the going gets tough. wether we are working on a new playing philosophy or not the message rodgers should be sending out is defeats are unacceptable in any circumstances when you have got a red shirt on.
imo he shouldnt be going infront of the t.v camera`s after a game and in a matter-of-fact manner telling fans, players and the watching world to expect more of the same. i cant see that attitude inspiring many fightbacks.
the lack of fight after we went down to 10 men was alarming, under hodgson we went down to 10 men against arsenal in his first ever league game in charge of us when cole got sent off in the first half, but we ended up taking the lead through ngog and nearly got the win but reina spilled a ball in injury time.
if we can manage a 10 man backs to the wall type performance under hodgson against arsenal i`m sure we can manage it against west brom.
this aint swansea brendan, yes we know it`s not a smooth upward curve trying to instill a different playing philosophy into the players but defeats arent things to be accepted in a matter of fact way. not at this club anyway.

I have to agree I was disappointed with Kenny's constant defence of poor performances and results. I was disappointed with Rodgers' reaction in the post match interview.

"One of the things I keep reminding players is that when you're lost in a fog, you must stick together. Then you don't get lost. If there's a secret about Liverpool, that's it." - This is what needs to be instilled into those poor excuses of footballers we have at our club who time and time again, go behind and seemingly give up all hope.

Tw@ttish comment. Who did we beat to get to a cup final last year?

I’ve been a little nervous since he came in because he has no track record to suggest he can succeed at a club with ambitions to challenge for trophies but happy to be patient and give him time to implement his ideas. The second half on Saturday was very poor even considering we were down to 10 men but no knee jerk reactions from me on the back of a poor 45 minutes.

bunglemark2 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:20 pm wrote:Tw@ttish comment. Who did we beat to get to a cup final last year?

What's that got to do with anything? We finished 8th in the league with the lowest points total since the early 1950's. Bar the Carling Cup last season was no different to the previous two seasons, gross underachievement in what is the most important competition to this club and that's the league.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:27 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:44 pm wrote:We all had our say after the disappointment of saturday's result but there is one thing we will all hopefully agree on and that's that we must get behind the manager. He's still the right man for the job and he's been brave and bold in his public statements about the future and the challenges ahead.

Though I don't want to see too many tonkings in the next few weeks and months I accept that it's going to be a long haul to recovery and a better future. I think he will succeed and he needs to be backed in these difficult times.

i`m not a huge fan of the managers uber realistic approach in post match interviews, press conferences, newspaper columns etc.
all this `it may take 4 years` and `we`ll have plenty more days like this` after we`ve been tonked by perennial relegation dodgers can let the players off the hook. i understand that he`s trying to keep a lid on expectations but to me it`s a convienent ready made excuse for players to throw in the towel when the going gets tough. wether we are working on a new playing philosophy or not the message rodgers should be sending out is defeats are unacceptable in any circumstances when you have got a red shirt on.
imo he shouldnt be going infront of the t.v camera`s after a game and in a matter-of-fact manner telling fans, players and the watching world to expect more of the same. i cant see that attitude inspiring many fightbacks.
the lack of fight after we went down to 10 men was alarming, under hodgson we went down to 10 men against arsenal in his first ever league game in charge of us when cole got sent off in the first half, but we ended up taking the lead through ngog and nearly got the win but reina spilled a ball in injury time.
if we can manage a 10 man backs to the wall type performance under hodgson against arsenal i`m sure we can manage it against west brom.
this aint swansea brendan, yes we know it`s not a smooth upward curve trying to instill a different playing philosophy into the players but defeats arent things to be accepted in a matter of fact way. not at this club anyway.

I agree up to a point. The proof will be in the pudding I'd like see some decent home form this season coupled with a similar away peformance to last year under Kenny with fewer defeats and more resilience when it matters.

It's about getting the balance right with public statements. We all know that the team won't be the finished article this season but talking about future defeats at this stage of the season can undermine things a bit.

It will be interesting to see the response to saturday anyway.

friendlyguy33 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:57 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:27 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:44 pm wrote:We all had our say after the disappointment of saturday's result but there is one thing we will all hopefully agree on and that's that we must get behind the manager. He's still the right man for the job and he's been brave and bold in his public statements about the future and the challenges ahead.

Though I don't want to see too many tonkings in the next few weeks and months I accept that it's going to be a long haul to recovery and a better future. I think he will succeed and he needs to be backed in these difficult times.

i`m not a huge fan of the managers uber realistic approach in post match interviews, press conferences, newspaper columns etc.
all this `it may take 4 years` and `we`ll have plenty more days like this` after we`ve been tonked by perennial relegation dodgers can let the players off the hook. i understand that he`s trying to keep a lid on expectations but to me it`s a convienent ready made excuse for players to throw in the towel when the going gets tough. wether we are working on a new playing philosophy or not the message rodgers should be sending out is defeats are unacceptable in any circumstances when you have got a red shirt on.
imo he shouldnt be going infront of the t.v camera`s after a game and in a matter-of-fact manner telling fans, players and the watching world to expect more of the same. i cant see that attitude inspiring many fightbacks.
the lack of fight after we went down to 10 men was alarming, under hodgson we went down to 10 men against arsenal in his first ever league game in charge of us when cole got sent off in the first half, but we ended up taking the lead through ngog and nearly got the win but reina spilled a ball in injury time.
if we can manage a 10 man backs to the wall type performance under hodgson against arsenal i`m sure we can manage it against west brom.
this aint swansea brendan, yes we know it`s not a smooth upward curve trying to instill a different playing philosophy into the players but defeats arent things to be accepted in a matter of fact way. not at this club anyway.

I agree up to a point. The proof will be in the pudding I'd like see some decent home form this season coupled with a similar away peformance to last year under Kenny with fewer defeats and more resilience when it matters.

It's about getting the balance right with public statements. We all know that the team won't be the finished article this season but talking about future defeats at this stage of the season can undermine things a bit.

It will be interesting to see the response to saturday anyway.

over the past 3 or 4 years mate this group of players (or the majority of them, obviously some havent been here that long) have consistenly under performed especially against teams like wigan, stoke, QPR etc that we are stronger than on paper. if we had to play against the uniteds, citys and barcelona`s every week then fair enough but in 85% of the games we play we are the club with the big money signings and star names in our line up, not the opposition. when we go into those types of fixtures we hold all the cards, the aces are in our hand.
to keep on failing in those games against the so called lesser sides (when the odds are stacked in our favour) must be down to lack of mental toughness and lack of belief.
with a squad with that type of mindset i dont think it`s a good idea to give them an excuse to lose, we shouldnt be shrugging our shoulders phlegmatically and saying `oh well there`s going to be a few more of them along the way ` when we lose.

Most of the criticism toeards the manager after Saturday seems to be based largely around fans dis-satisfation at how the team played (or tried) to play once they were a man down and 2-0 down. The performance up until Phil dowd's shocking 2nd penno decision was actually pretty solid. Much of what BR has preached was in evidence ie. our passing tempo was good, the lads kept the ball for long spells, they pressed it well and won the ball back in West Brom's half on numerous occasions. For 62 minutes it was a decent performance but a mistake here, a dodgy ref decision there and a missed free header from Suarez in the first half and things aren't so good. Such are the fine lines in football. I saw enough in the performance to suggest the players are taking onboard Rodgers ideas and will improve from here, particularly our home form. We've been soft away from home for several years now and that (I think) will take more time.

Scottbot » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:50 am wrote:Most of the criticism toeards the manager after Saturday seems to be based largely around fans dis-satisfation at how the team played (or tried) to play once they were a man down and 2-0 down. The performance up until Phil dowd's shocking 2nd penno decision was actually pretty solid. Much of what BR has preached was in evidence ie. our passing tempo was good, the lads kept the ball for long spells, they pressed it well and won the ball back in West Brom's half on numerous occasions. For 62 minutes it was a decent performance but a mistake here, a dodgy ref decision there and a missed free header from Suarez in the first half and things aren't so good. Such are the fine lines in football. I saw enough in the performance to suggest the players are taking onboard Rodgers ideas and will improve from here, particularly our home form. We've been soft away from home for several years now and that (I think) will take more time.

Thank you. Its not just me then. That penalty against Skrtel was an absolute disgrace. NO WAY IN HELL was that a penalty. Anyone arguing it was should be shot. I showed the replay to my missus and kids, now bearing in mind my kids hate football but love me whinging to myself, I showed them what I was whinging about. They agreed, that was a joke, but they also agreed im just one whinging old git.

I like Phil Dowd as a ref, I really do. I think he has many good games getting it spot on, but that decision was totally wrong. And it helped to end the game for Liverpool.

I'll be patient with BR throughout this season though I expect us to be humiliated and ripped apart by City, Arsenal and manure in our first 3 home games and as long as we don't get relegated. This is because we did play good possession football up until they scored their first goal and those 2 harsh penalty decisions.

If we flop this season, I wouldn't put all the blame on him because the owners are also a problem. Why? They don't have unlimited funds like Chelsea or CIty. Kenny's awful signings and wasting 200 million are rubbing salt on the wound because he depleted the funds leaving Brendan with not much money to spend on players he would love to sign. I am sorry for criticising Kenny and will probably get a lot of stick for this.

Both penalties were correct - soft but correct. Agger pushed Long and Skrtel kicked the player