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I must have missed all the goals Carroll scored last season...He doesn't fit in, period!

Plus BR needs to sort out Gerrard's role in MF.

got no doubt that BR wants to move on Carroll, Adam and a few others but its not as easy as that.  If clubs are not interested then your stuck with the players you have.

We have so many average players I am not surprised other clubs dont wanna buy them.  Kenny and Comolli brought in average players last year and BR is now stuck with them!

Off topic, watching newcastle today and I honestly dont see any reason for them to buy Carroll.  He would be a squad player up their @ best!!

Also unless BR can get Carroll out the door there is no chance that FSG will sanction another striker coming in.  Carroll has to leave first!

Boxscarf » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:00 pm wrote:

tubby » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:53 pm wrote:
But we do need a few more better quality players to enforce BR's style of play. Borini and Allen but that's not enough.

That's not the manager's fault though is it? If FSG are refusing to supply Rodgers with funds and insist that he spends what the club generates, then this rebuilding job becomes a lot, lot harder.

Rodgers said it will take years to get us on track and I don't think he was overdramatising things, it's going to take years. Swapping the manager every season won't change a single thing.

I agree though it will also depend on what happens over the whole season in terms of how the owners view progress depending on the league position.

If he can't get the likes of Downing and Suarez to improve as well the question of why someone like Klopp couldn't be persuaded to take the job will be raised. I'm not saying Rodgers days are numbered but I'm afraid I was expecting something better than that today.

sgs » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:16 pm wrote:I must have missed all the goals Carroll scored last season...He doesn't fit in, period!

Plus BR needs to sort out Gerrard's role in MF.

carroll was coming good at the end of last season and i dont buy this he doesnt fit in lark either, he was only on the pitch 12 minutes today but he chased down and won the ball back high up the pitch and linked up play well.
he looked better on the ball in the final 3rd than gerrard did today!

When a club sells it best players i.e. Torres, Arbeloa, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano and then doesn't replace those players with like-for-like quality and you end up a few years down the line with worse players like Adam, Henderson and Downing then you are naturally going to regress. FSG have not put a single penny of their own fortune into our transfer kitty since they arrived here in October 2010. Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that you might need to spend a little in order to accumulate a lot. This whole moneyball approach stuff they're into might have worked with the Boston Red Sox, but it won't necessarily work here and so far it hasn't worked and it doesn't seem like it will work. United, Chelsea and City all open up their cheque books season after season signing some of the World's best talent, we cannot compete with these clubs unless we start getting regular Champions League football and become a sporting institution that companies want to build a sponsorship connection with. In order to compete this club needs to get back into the mix and it won't do this while the manager is forced to sell in order to buy and has to rely on current revenue streams in order to sign players.

Boxscarf » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:00 pm wrote:

tubby » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:53 pm wrote:
But we do need a few more better quality players to enforce BR's style of play. Borini and Allen but that's not enough.

That's not the manager's fault though is it? If FSG are refusing to supply Rodgers with funds and insist that he spends what the club generates, then this rebuilding job becomes a lot, lot harder.

Rodgers said it will take years to get us on track and I don't think he was overdramatising things, it's going to take years. Swapping the manager every season won't change a single thing.

I agree it's not Rogers' fault at all. It looks like FSG were hoping that Rogers could come in, sign 1 or 2 players and get us playing ticky taka. Fraid it's not that easy, as I'm sure Henry and Werner found out today. 

As for Rogers saying it will take years, yeah he's right but obviously a year of performances like this and he won't be managing us any more.

SHOW US THE MONEY

Where is the extra we are supposed to be getting from the Warrior deal or the extra money all the clubs got from the new TV deal? We should have at least like 30mil to spend on top of what we get for players going the other way. We must have something we can spend, if not then how the fk are we ever going to be competetive again.

Boxscarf » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:32 pm wrote:When a club sells it best players i.e. Torres, Arbeloa, Hyypia, Alonso and Mascherano and then doesn't replace those players with like-for-like quality and you end up a few years down the line with worse players like Adam, Henderson and Downing then you are naturally going to regress. FSG have not put a single penny of their own fortune into our transfer kitty since they arrived here in October 2010. Now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that you might need to spend a little in order to accumulate a lot. This whole moneyball approach stuff they're into might have worked with the Boston Red Sox, but it won't necessarily work here and so far it hasn't worked and it doesn't seem like it will work. United, Chelsea and City all open up their cheque books season after season signing some of the World's best talent, we cannot compete with these clubs unless we start getting regular Champions League football and become a sporting institution that companies want to build a sponsorship connection with. In order to compete this club needs to get back into the mix and it won't do this while the manager is forced to sell in order to buy and has to rely on current revenue streams in order to sign players.

I really thought we were passed that sell before you buy *****. Makes you think if Torres was still here how bad would the rest of the team be.

They can keep replacing the manager, it won't make a single iota of difference to results because it's not just the manager that's the problem, it's the players who for whatever reason just don't perform to the level they're expected to. Some lack technical ability while others lack mental strength and these players need to be shipped out as soon as possible or loaned out at the very least. Brendan needs money to spend on players that will fit his system.

I've got a strong feeling that FSG will find themselves as marginalised at Liverpool as the previous owners were because they just do not or are not prepared to do what needs to be done in order to get us winning. If you bring in a new manager, you back him in the transfer window. You don't tell him to sell Agger or anyone else if he wants to bring in new faces.

tubby » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:37 pm wrote:
I really thought we were passed that sell before you buy *****. Makes you think if Torres was still here how bad would the rest of the team be.

This is it, but it also didn't help that Kenny and Comolli signed a lot of garbage for ridiculous prices, but that shouldn't matter. Kenny and Comolli aren't here, FSG have brought in a new manager whom they claimed was their first choice and yet they haven't done the right thing and back him in the transfer market. They keep going on about FFP, but that's a smokescreen. No-one is saying that FSG has to give Rodgers £150m to spend on new faces every transfer window which is what I always get accused of doing when slating FSG for their ridiculous transfer policy and I believe sooner or later there will be discontent amongst supporters and once that sets in then it spells trouble for FSG. I don't see why supporters are made to part with a plethora of their own fortune and FSG aren't prepared to invest some of their own fortune into the club to get the ball rolling. I slated Red Beer Goggles to the hilt when he criticised FSG a few months ago, but the more time that goes by, the more I'm starting to think he is right and I will probably end up owing the fella an apology.

i agree with a lot of what people are saying (i.e a sell to buy policy wont get you competing with the top clubs) but lets not forget that on paper we have a fantastic side, gerrard is a top player, suarez is one of the best players in the world, agger is wanted by barcelona and city, skrtel was wanted by city, lucas is the best DM in the country, reina is one of the best keepers in the prem, johnson is the england right back etc etc
we werent competing against barcelona today we were competing against west brom, suarez alone is probably worth more than their entire starting XI but yet they comfortably beat us 3-0?
this isnt a dig at rodgers btw he`s just got here, but bar one or two exceptions this squad of players has been losing to teams we should be beating (on paper at least) for years, under 4 different managers.
we need investment but the players have got to start manning the f**k up.

We don't have a fantastic side, we have an average side that in the past three seasons has finished 5th, 6th and 8th. If we had a fantastic side like City do then we'd be up there in the mix. Our side by in large is poor. Gerrard used to be a top player, he's nearing the end of his playing days, it's evident to everyone to see, even if you refuse to see it. We've got a few stand out players, but the rest just aren't good enough and there is so poor and average that nobody wants them. The fact that we've had four managers in three seasons is a reflection not the manager, but on the club in general.

FSG must back their manager in the transfer market, if they aren't prepared to do that, then do the right and sell the club to someone who will.

Boxscarf » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:40 pm wrote:They can keep replacing the manager, it won't make a single iota of difference to results because it's not just the manager that's the problem, it's the players who for whatever reason just don't perform to the level they're expected to. Some lack technical ability while others lack mental strength and these players need to be shipped out as soon as possible or loaned out at the very least. Brendan needs money to spend on players that will fit his system.

I've got a strong feeling that FSG will find themselves as marginalised at Liverpool as the previous owners were because they just do not or are not prepared to do what needs to be done in order to get us winning. If you bring in a new manager, you back him in the transfer window. You don't tell him to sell Agger or anyone else if he wants to bring in new faces.

I'm baffled by the difference in performance from the Gomel match. Ok we're playing a better team away from home but that shouldn't really matter that much.

The balance wasn't really there today like it was in the Europa game. Suarez seemed afraid to pass it to Kelly when he did attack down the right, Allen was too defensive unlike Shelvey in that other game and Gerrard was largely anonymous. I wonder if Rodgers may experiment with two wingers either side of Suarez.

On the owners it is questionable in terms of ambition why they would even countenance accepting a bid for someone like Agger. If he does go to City there will be questions asked not least of the Supporters Committee in this regard.

Boxscarf » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:56 pm wrote:We don't have a fantastic side, we have an average side that in the past three seasons has finished 5th, 6th and 8th. If we had a fantastic side like City do then we'd be up there in the mix. Our side by in large is poor. Gerrard used to be a top player, he's nearing the end of his playing days, it's evident to everyone to see, even if you refuse to see it. We've got a few stand out players, but the rest just aren't good enough and there is so poor and average that nobody wants them. The fact that we've had four managers in three seasons is a reflection not the manager, but on the club in general.

FSG must back their manager in the transfer market, if they aren't prepared to do that, then do the right and sell the club to someone who will.

gerrard is still a good player as he proved at the euro`s, the difference is these days he cant turn up with his A game week in week out like he used to.
i think on paper we have a very good team but it is massively under performing and has done for about 4 years.
if you put the likes of suarez, reina, agger, skrtel, johnson, lucas etc on the market you would get big money for them, not only that the clubs in for them would be the elite sides in europe. they are not poor players mate.

Boxscarf » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:48 pm wrote:

tubby » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:37 pm wrote:
I really thought we were passed that sell before you buy *****. Makes you think if Torres was still here how bad would the rest of the team be.

This is it, but it also didn't help that Kenny and Comolli signed a lot of garbage for ridiculous prices, but that shouldn't matter. Kenny and Comolli aren't here, FSG have brought in a new manager whom they claimed was their first choice and yet they haven't done the right thing and back him in the transfer market. They keep going on about FFP, but that's a smokescreen. No-one is saying that FSG has to give Rodgers £150m to spend on new faces every transfer window which is what I always get accused of doing when slating FSG for their ridiculous transfer policy and I believe sooner or later there will be discontent amongst supporters and once that sets in then it spells trouble for FSG. I don't see why supporters are made to part with a plethora of their own fortune and FSG aren't prepared to invest some of their own fortune into the club to get the ball rolling. I slated Red Beer Goggles to the hilt when he criticised FSG a few months ago, but the more time that goes by, the more I'm starting to think he is right and I will probably end up owing the fella an apology.

Was just listening to 606 and Savage or whoever is saying you can't blame FSG's transfer policy, they have spent loads. Had to turn off, had enough for one day.

Looks like Sahin is gonna be going Arsenal and I haven't heard anything about Christian Tello. So is the club scrambling around trying to get anyone else in before the window shuts? Better hope so, and I'm not talking about Dempsey either. He's garbage.

Have any of the players or br said sorry to the traveling fans yet?