Liverpool FC Forum

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:04 pm wrote:rodgers will get time, the fans like him and his philosophy on how the game should be played. thats all the fans want. liverpool fans are not afraid of bad times, we`ve been through enough of them, but they have got to believe that the manager and his vision is worth backing.
to be fair to rodgers he managed to do that in about 20 minutes on friday morning.

I wouldnt be too sure mate

Benny The Noon » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:05 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:04 pm wrote:rodgers will get time, the fans like him and his philosophy on how the game should be played. thats all the fans want. liverpool fans are not afraid of bad times, we`ve been through enough of them, but they have got to believe that the manager and his vision is worth backing.
to be fair to rodgers he managed to do that in about 20 minutes on friday morning.

I wouldnt be too sure mate

well i live in the city mate and the general feeling i`m getting is we may as well stick with this fella now no matter what, if we change this fella because he has a poor 6 months where do we go from there? the yanks just arent going to appoint rafa, that is not going to happen and even if rafa does come back he isnt a certainty to be a success, no one is. as i said the feeling i`m getting is that fans are prepared to back him for a few years and see what he can produce.
i think what helps rodgers is that his sides play such good footy, liverpool fans will back that vision to the hilt.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:11 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:05 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:04 pm wrote:rodgers will get time, the fans like him and his philosophy on how the game should be played. thats all the fans want. liverpool fans are not afraid of bad times, we`ve been through enough of them, but they have got to believe that the manager and his vision is worth backing.
to be fair to rodgers he managed to do that in about 20 minutes on friday morning.

I wouldnt be too sure mate

well i live in the city mate and the general feeling i`m getting is we may as well stick with this fella now no matter what, if we change this fella because he has a poor 6 months where do we go from there? the yanks just arent going to appoint rafa, that is not going to happen and even if rafa does come back he isnt a certainty to be a success, no one is. as i said the feeling i`m getting is that fans are prepared to back him for a few years and see what he can produce.
i think what helps rodgers is that his sides play such good footy, liverpool fans will back that vision to the hilt.

What about the fans that dont live in the city mate, they back him now - lets see what happens when the bad times happen for a bit.

Benny The Noon » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:52 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:50 pm wrote:
Are you going to say 'told you so' if it goes wrong?

Supposing Rafa had said no because he'd had a better offer, Klopp, Hiddink, Capello, De Boer, Deschamps, Ancelotti, Villas-Boas and Rijkaard all said no? What should the owners have done then?

Where did you get that pearl of wisdom from about Rafa ?

I was playing devil's advocate but put it another way forget Rafa as a contender.

Benny The Noon » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:52 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:50 pm wrote:
Are you going to say 'told you so' if it goes wrong?

Supposing Rafa had said no because he'd had a better offer, Klopp, Hiddink, Capello, De Boer, Deschamps, Ancelotti, Villas-Boas and Rijkaard all said no? What should the owners have done then?

Where did you get that pearl of wisdom from about Rafa ?

exactly.  I wouldn't have any of them names either! none of them are worthy of the Job. Only Rafa is right now.

Rafa is the Gaffa!

Rafa is not the manager and won't ever be the manager now. That chance is past

Greavesie » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:56 pm wrote:

god 2012 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:22 pm wrote:Wondering what will happen if results don't go his way up to xmas.

What will the fans/ board be thinking then?

I'm very much praying we will see this attacking, pressing football that he is promising.

I don't know how a lot of you can be hugely optimistic, when he has NO record of management whatsoever of note, to prepare for such huge pressure, that he will get in this job. Reading, Watford, Chelsea reserves....etc  etc. Rod Hodgson has more exp than this guy!

Swansea lost more than they won last term. Lets get that straight. His attacking tactics then, leave a lot to be desired, no?

At lease Rafa got to TWO CL finals, and a second place in the prem.
I would have voted for Rafa for this job myself, as he probably has more player "connections" than rodgers does (I.E. Spain)

A lot of LFC legends are having raised eyebrows at his appointment and still think it's risky.

I will give him a slight chance only in this job..... see what happens with the results, but I fear another "Woy" situation and a witch hunt if results don't go for him. He may not have the Dressing room.

I think still......BIG RISK. 
(don't mean to sound negative)

You'd rather have Roy cos he has more experience? Or you think Rodgers will do worse because he has less experience? What was the purpose of your reference to Roy?

To Clarify.......Roy has more top league experience in management, than the guy we have just employed. Nothing more, nothing less

god 2012 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:47 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:52 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:50 pm wrote:
Are you going to say 'told you so' if it goes wrong?

Supposing Rafa had said no because he'd had a better offer, Klopp, Hiddink, Capello, De Boer, Deschamps, Ancelotti, Villas-Boas and Rijkaard all said no? What should the owners have done then?

Where did you get that pearl of wisdom from about Rafa ?

exactly.  I wouldn't have any of them names either! none of them are worthy of the Job. Only Rafa is right now.

Rafa is the Gaffa!

no one turned down the job, however, some guys refused to speak to the club about the job.  Big difference

It's inevitable that some fans will call for Rogers' head at the first bad results, and there will be the "I told you so" crowd, but most educated supporters know that the implementation of the plan will take time.  The only reason the manager would be fired is if the FSG were going to "do a man city" and buy the league.  200-300 million investment in players and I don't see that happening.

Rogers said something important about his Reading experience, which is he tried to change too much too soon without regard to results.  He said he learned his lesson and that the changes within a squad and an ethos need to be made only as change will allow and not try to put square pegs in round holes.  It makes me think it might be less a revolution and more of an evolution.

We might not see the manager's true vision for the club until the season after next.  I don't think he's a one trick pony in the way of tactics at any rate, and he should be able to mold a squad that can compete for fourth while implementing his philosophy.  There is a decent squad there and we don't need much new personnel to get back in the CL.  What can I say, I'm glass half full guy. 

They interviewed about six according to Ayres or at least spoke to them my guess is that besides Rodgers and Martinez the other four were-

Klopp
Villas-Boas
De Boer
Capello

Klopp might have said yes in different circumstances but it was too hard for him to leave Dortmund right now. De Boer similarly wanted to stay at Ajax. Capello probably said no straightaway because of Chelsea. Villas-Boas was a contender but the owners were aware of his experience at Chelsea and the fact that he would be less flexible in negotiations about the structure etc.

Rafa had too much baggage from his first spell and the owners didn't want to go there. To have interviewed Rafa would have complicated matters both in terms of the fans expecting him to get the job and in the context of the future structure.

friendlyguy33 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:36 pm wrote:They interviewed about six according to Ayres or at least spoke to them my guess is that besides Rodgers and Martinez the other four were-

Klopp
Villas-Boas
De Boer
Capello

Klopp might have said yes in different circumstances but it was too hard for him to leave Dortmund right now. De Boer similarly wanted to stay at Ajax. Capello probably said no straightaway because of Chelsea. Villas-Boas was a contender but the owners were aware of his experience at Chelsea and the fact that he would be less flexible in negotiations about the structure etc.

Rafa had too much baggage from his first spell and the owners didn't want to go there. To have interviewed Rafa would have complicated matters both in terms of the fans expecting him to get the job and in the context of the future structure.

from what i heard, they interviewed AVB, Martinez and Rodgers....Klopp and De Boer turned down our advances while Capello was never in the picture to start with.

The board only offered the job to one man, and one man only. Brendan Rodger.

7_Kewell » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:40 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:36 pm wrote:They interviewed about six according to Ayres or at least spoke to them my guess is that besides Rodgers and Martinez the other four were-

Klopp
Villas-Boas
De Boer
Capello

Klopp might have said yes in different circumstances but it was too hard for him to leave Dortmund right now. De Boer similarly wanted to stay at Ajax. Capello probably said no straightaway because of Chelsea. Villas-Boas was a contender but the owners were aware of his experience at Chelsea and the fact that he would be less flexible in negotiations about the structure etc.

Rafa had too much baggage from his first spell and the owners didn't want to go there. To have interviewed Rafa would have complicated matters both in terms of the fans expecting him to get the job and in the context of the future structure.

from what i heard, they interviewed AVB, Martinez and Rodgers....Klopp and De Boer turned down our advances while Capello was never in the picture to start with.

The board only offered the job to one man, and one man only. Brendan Rodger.

I heard that there was contact with Capello and he made it clear he didn't want to be considered.

Basically everyone heard something different but nothing was ever concrete except Martinez and Rodgers.

The press didnt have a clue what was happening

god 2012 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:59 pm wrote:

Greavesie » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:56 pm wrote:

god 2012 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:22 pm wrote:Wondering what will happen if results don't go his way up to xmas.

What will the fans/ board be thinking then?

I'm very much praying we will see this attacking, pressing football that he is promising.

I don't know how a lot of you can be hugely optimistic, when he has NO record of management whatsoever of note, to prepare for such huge pressure, that he will get in this job. Reading, Watford, Chelsea reserves....etc  etc. Rod Hodgson has more exp than this guy!

Swansea lost more than they won last term. Lets get that straight. His attacking tactics then, leave a lot to be desired, no?

At lease Rafa got to TWO CL finals, and a second place in the prem.
I would have voted for Rafa for this job myself, as he probably has more player "connections" than rodgers does (I.E. Spain)

A lot of LFC legends are having raised eyebrows at his appointment and still think it's risky.

I will give him a slight chance only in this job..... see what happens with the results, but I fear another "Woy" situation and a witch hunt if results don't go for him. He may not have the Dressing room.

I think still......BIG RISK. 
(don't mean to sound negative)

You'd rather have Roy cos he has more experience? Or you think Rodgers will do worse because he has less experience? What was the purpose of your reference to Roy?

To Clarify.......Roy has more top league experience in management, than the guy we have just employed. Nothing more, nothing less

there is no denying that rodgers is inexperienced in terms of top flight management but he has been coaching and studying coaching methods for 20 years.
over that 20 years he has learnt his trade, he has been abroad, he has studied at barcelona, he studied at ajax, he has cherry picked parts of other clubs coaching and playing philosophies and studied their tactics and come up with his own vision of how the game should be played.
he has spent 20 years putting together this vision and i think when FSG saw it they saw the future of football.
after spending the past 20 years listening to how we were slow off the mark in terms of marketing and how we were slow in meeting the challenges of the global marketplace and after listening to how man united adapted to the premier league era better than us......maybe, just f**king maybe, for the first time in 20 years, maybe we for once are ahead of the curve in identifying the future of football and hiring it.

Benny The Noon » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:20 pm wrote:Basically everyone heard something different but nothing was ever concrete except Martinez and Rodgers.

The press didnt have a clue what was happening

FSG's sources indicated that there was further contact last week with Klopp and it looks like that because of Dortmund's reluctance to let him go and his own loyalty to that club it wasn't the right time.