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The day after we lose a cup final and the vultures are out with knives in their hands. Some people don't know the first clue about support.

Kewell you have wanted Kenny gone all season long no matter what was happening. I can't wait till next season to watch him shove your ***** right back down your throat. Heimdall why bother posting on something you don't have a clue about - supporting Liverpool and football.

I think supporters have a right to be frustrated Benny, just because a cup final clearly hasn't affected you much doesn't mean it hasn't affected everyone else in the same fashion as you! I was deeply upset yesterday and my calls for Benitez to return as manager were born from my anger and feelings of sorrow! Yesterday took me back to 1996 where we lost 1-0 to United in the FA Cup, it wasn't a good day for me yesterday, had a very bad day at work, so I apologise. My head and heart still want Kenny as our manager, but he must improve, we must improve. I don't think I can tolerate another season like this, it's driven me around the twist.

Effected me ?!

I was sat in the stadium as gutted as anyone in here but being disappointed after a defeat doesn't mean people start looking to stick the knives into the manager.

Benny The Noon » Sun May 06, 2012 6:45 pm wrote:Effected me ?!

I was sat in the stadium as gutted as anyone in here but being disappointed after a defeat doesn't mean people start looking to stick the knives into the manager.

A lot of our problems yesterday were directly inflicted upon us by the manager. Kenny is the manager, so he must shoulder responsibility for when things aren't going well and I believe he understands the angry, disappointment and frustration of supporters and he would be the first to admit that he has been found wanting this season. Kenny has held his hands up and taken accountability for the players we have rightly and wrongly signed, so he has shown that he isn't shy about being held accountable.

When things aren't going well, the manager is going to come into criticism and questions will be asked, it's always been this way and it's the way it should be. Kenny brought the players in the summer, he picks the team, the formation and tactics, he got it wrong yesterday and if the players aren't capable of turning up for a cup final, then questions will be rightly asked about the manager.

It was curious to hear KK suggest after the game that inexperience played a part. Besides Henderson and Spearing who did he mean? Suarez is 23/24 Carroll didn't start the game and was inspired when he came on. The likes of Kelly and Shelvey didn't come on. The rest of the team are well into their twenties - Reina, Johnson, Agger, Gerrard, Downing and Bellamy all over the age of 25 that's six players it might be a younger team than Chelsea but really not that young or inexperienced.

Benny The Noon » Sun May 06, 2012 6:33 pm wrote:The day after we lose a cup final and the vultures are out with knives in their hands. Some people don't know the first clue about support.

Kewell you have wanted Kenny gone all season long no matter what was happening. I can't wait till next season to watch him shove your ***** right back down your throat. Heimdall why bother posting on something you don't have a clue about - supporting Liverpool and football.

i have wanted Kenny out since the turn of the year, when it was obvious that Kenny wasn't the right man for the job.

And i'm afriad it's you who doesn't have a clue Benny...you claimed that it's absurd to expect a top 4 finish without spending 100s of millions, like Man City.

Well, tell us, how much have Newcastle spent this season?  How much did they spend last season?  And while you're at it, tell us how much Fulham and Everton have spent? they are all above us in the league

kazza » Sun May 06, 2012 6:24 pm wrote:We have the 3rd best defence (goals against) but we are eleventh in goals scored (even Norwich scored more). Had we scored ten more goals this season we would be in a CL spot and that is how close it is. Still having said that the team did not look well drilled, did not seem to be much passion or tactical savvy to our play and that at the end of the day is the resposibility of the manager. Kenny no doubt will improve next year if given the chance and probably get us CL football. If we want to win the title however, I am not sure he will be able to get us there as much as it hurts to admit it.

Why is it assumed Kenny will magically improve next season? His tactics are infantile at best. A glaring example is how few players we have making intelligent runs or even just getting into the box. Time and time again the ball lands in the 16 yard area and there is no Liverpool shirt even close to it. If you compare this to other teams then it becomes very clear why we don't score enough goals.

It's not this is not just a manager issue anyway for me. It's a collective thing within the whole club that has led to what can only be described as a strange but largely disappointing season in many respects.

The main problem has been that the structure the owners put in place has failed. Comolli has gone so we currently have no scouting network, a marketing man in charge of the day to day running of the club and owners across the other side of the world. On the pitch we have no distinct way of playing and a squad of players that is not balanced.

kenny picks the team and sends them out and its not down to him that they can't or wont perform.
he is a manager and he sticks by his players and if he was to come out and start pointing fingers at players and laying the blame squarely at their feet then they would turn on him and he would be out the door.
he keeps it behind doors and thats the way it should be as they will respect a man who stands up for and believes in them rather than simply standing in front of a camera and saying that that lad is muck and he cost us the game.
behind the scenes he knows that the level of performances arent and never will be acceptable at this club.
over the course of the summer and next season will determine whether he can bring us forward.
sack him now and i can almost guarantee we will be right back here at square 1 this time next year moaning and wanting someone else.

heimdall » Sun May 06, 2012 7:21 pm wrote:

kazza » Sun May 06, 2012 6:24 pm wrote:We have the 3rd best defence (goals against) but we are eleventh in goals scored (even Norwich scored more). Had we scored ten more goals this season we would be in a CL spot and that is how close it is. Still having said that the team did not look well drilled, did not seem to be much passion or tactical savvy to our play and that at the end of the day is the resposibility of the manager. Kenny no doubt will improve next year if given the chance and probably get us CL football. If we want to win the title however, I am not sure he will be able to get us there as much as it hurts to admit it.

Why is it assumed Kenny will magically improve next season? His tactics are infantile at best. A glaring example is how few players we have making intelligent runs or even just getting into the box. Time and time again the ball lands in the 16 yard area and there is no Liverpool shirt even close to it. If you compare this to other teams then it becomes very clear why we don't score enough goals.

That's the one thing for me as well. We do not have the physical skills to get bodies into the box or the tactical approach to move the ball and personell into attacking positions. Kenny is not the man for us, but he was a great player once that is not going to change even thpogh he is failing miserably and has put the future of this club in jeopardy by wasting insane amounts of money.

7_Kewell » Sun May 06, 2012 7:17 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sun May 06, 2012 6:33 pm wrote:The day after we lose a cup final and the vultures are out with knives in their hands. Some people don't know the first clue about support.

Kewell you have wanted Kenny gone all season long no matter what was happening. I can't wait till next season to watch him shove your ***** right back down your throat. Heimdall why bother posting on something you don't have a clue about - supporting Liverpool and football.

i have wanted Kenny out since the turn of the year, when it was obvious that Kenny wasn't the right man for the job.

And i'm afriad it's you who doesn't have a clue Benny...you claimed that it's absurd to expect a top 4 finish without spending 100s of millions, like Man City.

Well, tell us, how much have Newcastle spent this season?  How much did they spend last season?  And while you're at it, tell us how much Fulham and Everton have spent? they are all above us in the league

Some fair points made in terms of the spending though we've got a game in hand on Fulham (I know it's against Chelsea)> City spent £100 odd million nearly in Hughes first season when they signed Robinho and some others and finished 10th. They spent another £100 million or so the year after and finished 5th under Hughes and Mancini. It takes time to build something.

The problem from the other night against Fulham is that squad wise we're not good enough even if the first 11 had done it this year. If Kenny had stuck with Spearing, Meireles and Kuyt every week this season (who did so well at the end of last year) and it hadn't worked that would have been wrong. He was damned either way. What's killed us this year has been Carroll taking so long to find some form and Downing not stepping up.

You raise a good point about Manchester City, though they didn't finish 6th one season, get £100m worth of investment and then finish 9th the next season. Manchester City have spent their investment money wisely, players like Yaya Toure, David Silva, Sergio Aguero and Carlos Tevez have transformed Manchester City.

There is no way we could afford those players because they each get paid over 200 grand a week each ?!? That is why they get those players - nothing to do with spending wisely !!!

Benny The Noon » Sun May 06, 2012 9:34 pm wrote:There is no way we could afford those players because they each get paid over 200 grand a week each ?!? That is why they get those players - nothing to do with spending wisely !!!

They've signed proven talent and it's paid off, they've got a team that could effectively win the Premier League. If Mancini continues to strengthen Manchester City, they'll replace United as the dominant team in English football and they'll start having more success in European competition.

They have unlimited funds to be able to buy ready made talent ? We are not in the same position.

And they won't dominate because players will leave because they are mercenaries playing for money