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[friendlyguy33]

jurgen klopp

Totally unproven in the premiership just as with your other choice Villas-Boas who you still defended on here just after he got the boot at Chelsea a couple of months back. You said he wasn't allowed to put his own stamp on the club or makes the changes to the team that he wanted to make which is fine. I disagree I thought last summer it was a risky appointment at Chelsea given that he'd only been in charge of Porto for two years the Portugese league is way behind the premiership and I also think that his age hindered him when it came to dealing with Chelsea's 30 plus players like Terry and Lampard.

So Villas-Boas left Chelsea in fifth when he was sacked supposing he'd come to Liverpool last summer you wouldn't have called for him to be sacked or resign had he only got Liverpool to fifth this season? I'm asking this in relation to my earlier post about KK in the sense that there is no guarantee of a top four finish in the first season for any new manager. Rafa finished fifth in 04-05 if he hadn't done so well in the ECL that year would you have called for Rafa to be sacked at the end of that season?

My point is that it takes time to build a team as John Barnes has pointed out on the radio today and as Lawrenson pointed out a few weeks ago the owners are not going to make any knee jerk decisions on the manager.

you're right, lets stick with a guy who has been out of top flight football for over a decade and has been sacked from his last two jobs.

I didn't say we should stick with Kenny for the long term I was making an argument about the other two candidates. Villas-Boas was sacked at Chelsea because of four wins in twelve premiership games yet you think he'd be right for Liverpool?

[7_Kewell]

jurgen klopp

good shout...i wouldn't mind him if KK decides to move up at DOF.

But if KK wants another year....then i hope he gets it. I still think he is an awesome motivator. He just falls a little short on tactics, match prepareness and substituitions. A carlos quiroz like Assistant manager is we we need. Just get rid of steve clarke or move him down as a defensive coach

if he gets another year, then he'll be sacked. There's no way the board will accept another season of this rubbish in the league and iv seen nother to prove Kenny's capable of turning it around. He lacks the ability to be dynamic, something that's essential for modern football management

[friendlyguy33]

jurgen klopp

good shout...i wouldn't mind him if KK decides to move up at DOF.

But if KK wants another year....then i hope he gets it. I still think he is an awesome motivator. He just falls a little short on tactics, match prepareness and substituitions. A carlos quiroz like Assistant manager is we we need. Just get rid of steve clarke or move him down as a defensive coach

if he gets another year, then he'll be sacked. There's no way the board will accept another season of this rubbish in the league and iv seen nother to prove Kenny's capable of turning it around. He lacks the ability to be dynamic, something that's essential for modern football management

Even though he managed to get the right mentality from the team to beat United, City and Chelsea in the earlier rounds of the cup competitions so that the team was competing again for trophies.

[7_Kewell]

what about the mentality for the league?  We've been awful and (i'm not having at pop at you personally) but i find it laughable that some want to pretend Kenny's the best manager we can get. He isn't.

[lakes10]

what about the mentality for the league?  We've been awful and (i'm not having at pop at you personally) but i find it laughable that some want to pretend Kenny's the best manager we can get. He isn't.

its about being the right man for the job and what team he could build at the club and putting the fath back into the club, that dont just mean by playing well.
over the Rafa years the club lost sight in what being Liverpool fc was, yes it is a club with a great European history but the club is more than that, its about being the best team in England, Cups and the prem, this season we won one cup and one bad line call from winning another, next year we will aim for the top 4 spots, not to get into the CL no, but to start work on being the best team in England once again.

[friendlyguy33]

what about the mentality for the league?  We've been awful and (i'm not having at pop at you personally) but i find it laughable that some want to pretend Kenny's the best manager we can get. He isn't.

I agree in terms of the whole season though even when the bad run had started after the Villa away game the team were only 4 points behind for fourth going into the Carling Cup Final.

[heimdall]

nothing to do with the manager or the tactics today that we lost the game.it was all down to the players.we have far to many weak links and the decent players that we do have cant carry them.
what we have on the bench in maxi,kuyt,etc arent the answer either as that horse has been flogged many times before.sure they might have put in a better performance than some but overall they arent the solution going forward.
if anything this season has highlighted our shortfalls and that needs to be addressed over the summer with quality players.

Who bought and picked the players, or is that somehow not kenny's fault either. Yesterday kenny got the tactics wrong, henderson should never ever play for us again, utter disgrace of a footballer, zero talent. We should have started with a 4-4-2 and Maxi and Kuyt should have started the game.

The bottom line is that kenny is not good enough as a manager and I hope to God that the owners realise this before our proud history becomes ancient history and our great club becomes another of the former greats.

henderson is 21 years old mate, at that age players are still learning their trade and they do well to even hold their own against seasoned pro`s like lampard and mikel. can you remember how out of sorts lucas looked when he was 21? compare that version of lucas to the player that 3 years later dominated yaya toure at anfield. you wouldnt believe it was the same player.
henderson is just going to keep on improving, 99% of players are miles better at 25 than they were at 21.
henderson might not be quite ready to be a regular at a top team yet but very few 21 year olds are.

i agree that henderson is out of his depth which begs the question of why Kenny carries on playing him, I'm blaming Kenny not Henderson, although I think Henderson is an awful player anyway, maybe he'll improve like Lucas did, but probably not.

[metalhead]

i agree that henderson is out of his depth which begs the question of why Kenny carries on playing him, I'm blaming Kenny not Henderson, although I think Henderson is an awful player anyway, maybe he'll improve like Lucas did, but probably not.

Why do you think Kenny carries on playing him? Do you not realize that we are short of options in the middle? Adam and Lucas are out injured so that leaves us with Spearing, Henderson and Gerrard as the only experienced players out there

[heimdall]

what about the mentality for the league?  We've been awful and (i'm not having at pop at you personally) but i find it laughable that some want to pretend Kenny's the best manager we can get. He isn't.

I agree in terms of the whole season though even when the bad run had started after the Villa away game the team were only 4 points behind for fourth going into the Carling Cup Final.

yes we were at one stage very close to 4th place and we bloody well should have secured it by bringing in some more attacking options in january, and havign a manager to realise that some of his signing s were awful. If Rafa, or another good manager, had been in charge this season I am fairly certain we'd have secured 4th in the league.

Kenny needs to go and if Fenway do not do that then I'll lose a lot of faith in them ever delivering us the league title.

Mind you if Kenny was this amazingly selfless person who only cares for the club then he'd do the honourable thing, realise he isn't good enough and step down but I doubt he will.

[heimdall]

i agree that henderson is out of his depth which begs the question of why Kenny carries on playing him, I'm blaming Kenny not Henderson, although I think Henderson is an awful player anyway, maybe he'll improve like Lucas did, but probably not.

Why do you think Kenny carries on playing him? Do you not realize that we are short of options in the middle? Adam and Lucas are out injured so that leaves us with Spearing, Henderson and Gerrard as the only experienced players out there

Absolute rubbish, what about Maxi and Kuyt, who offer far more than Henderson ever has.

[metalhead]

i agree that henderson is out of his depth which begs the question of why Kenny carries on playing him, I'm blaming Kenny not Henderson, although I think Henderson is an awful player anyway, maybe he'll improve like Lucas did, but probably not.

Why do you think Kenny carries on playing him? Do you not realize that we are short of options in the middle? Adam and Lucas are out injured so that leaves us with Spearing, Henderson and Gerrard as the only experienced players out there

Absolute rubbish, what about Maxi and Kuyt, who offer far more than Henderson ever has.

Are Kuyt and Maxi central midfielders?! No

[Boxscarf]

you're right, lets stick with a guy who has been out of top flight football for over a decade and has been sacked from his last two jobs.

What has being sacked got do with a managerial suitability? By your definition a manager being sacked makes that manager poor quality. Ancelotti, Capello and Mourinho have all been sacked in the past, that doesn't make them poor managers does it?

[Boxscarf]

Are Kuyt and Maxi central midfielders?! No

Is Kuyt a right winger? No, but that doesn't stop Kuyt performing with grit and a determination to succeed. Henderson's attitude this season has been nothing short of disgraceful. He's been a non-entity this season, only at times showing glimpses of his form at Sunderland. I don't think the lads ability is in question (at least not by me), it's his attitude that disgusts me and the small fact that he's been nothing more than a passenger this season. He's had one stand out match this season and that was when he was playing right back (oddly enough).

[heimdall]

Why do you think Kenny carries on playing him? Do you not realize that we are short of options in the middle? Adam and Lucas are out injured so that leaves us with Spearing, Henderson and Gerrard as the only experienced players out there

Absolute rubbish, what about Maxi and Kuyt, who offer far more than Henderson ever has.

Are Kuyt and Maxi central midfielders?! No

Isn't Henderson a right winger, that seems to be where he's played most of the season and I'd rather play Kuyt or Maxi midfield than Henderson. Plus if we were so short of players why not strengthen through loans in January?

[kazza]

We have the 3rd best defence (goals against) but we are eleventh in goals scored (even Norwich scored more). Had we scored ten more goals this season we would be in a CL spot and that is how close it is. Still having said that the team did not look well drilled, did not seem to be much passion or tactical savvy to our play and that at the end of the day is the resposibility of the manager. Kenny no doubt will improve next year if given the chance and probably get us CL football. If we want to win the title however, I am not sure he will be able to get us there as much as it hurts to admit it.