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Boxscarf » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:14 am wrote:

7_Kewell » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:11 pm wrote:as i said, i think he's had it with us and wouldn't be surprised to see him leave in the summer...

Providing we get a good enough price for him then I couldn't care less, just bring in another keeper. If Pepe doesn't want to play for us anymore, that's fine by me, I can understand his frustrations etc, so it's better he does leave as I only want players here who want to be here.

The fact is he's not the same Pepe that played under Rafa with Torres, Alonso and Arbeloa etc.. the spanish mafia. We wondered what would happen once Rafa then Torres left and to be expected we're seeing the remaining old guard lose heart, this isn't their team any more.

Sadly I expect this game will prove decisive in his decision to go. Desparately sad but I understand, the club didnt maintain the momentum, its not Pepe's fault. 

that apparent headbutt was borne out of pure frustration today but still he knows the score and should have handled it better but he let the emotion get the better of him.still he's gone now for the next 3 and hopefully doni will step up to the plate.
if reina does bale in the summer then its a bad sign of whats happening behind the scenes and an indication that he believes we are going nowhere.we should go for that lad worn from swansea as replacement if he does.
losing a keeper can be a tough task to replace and one that could take several years to get one the quality of pepe but id say the only chance of him being here next season is if benitez returned.

People are slating the f*ck out of Carroll.  I can't remember the last time I thought, Pepe's having a good game.

Can't even remember the last time I was thinking, wow Pepe looks like he cares today.

ethanr, it's blindingly obvious that pepe's heart isn't at LFC anymore.

For his sake and for the sake of the club, it would be best for him to move on.

He is a world class goalie and will find his place with an elite european club. Unfortunately, we are not that.

Do agree that Pepe hasnt been the same... he looks despondent.

We have been in freefall for three years, a result of signing poor players, and like any top player Pepe has become disillusioned.

His head was turned by Arsenal in the summer, things have only got worse so its a cetainty he wont be here next season.

Any person in employment seeks to better themselves so if Pepe leaves i wont hold any grudges. Hes been a superb servant to us.

Its the worst Scoring returen the club have had in 10 years and users here having a pop at Reina?? Unbelievable...clutching at straws.....

If that long lank of Misery had of had the bottle to take his opportunity instead of diving for a pen after 10 mins against Newcastle, things could have been different in that game. It set the tone for the whole game. But this has been the case all seaon.

Pepe Reina has been a great servant to the club, and maybe he has had a slight dip in form. Who the feck hasnt at the club.

Best of luck whatever he does, and to WHATEVER club he goes to in the whole god damn wide world.

Bermenstein » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:54 am wrote:Its the worst Scoring returen the club have had in 10 years and users here having a pop at Reina?? Unbelievable...clutching at straws.....

If that long lank of Misery had of had the bottle to take his opportunity instead of diving for a pen after 10 mins against Newcastle, things could have been different in that game. It set the tone for the whole game. But this has been the case all seaon.

Pepe Reina has been a great servant to the club, and maybe he has had a slight dip in form. Who the feck hasnt at the club.

Best of luck whatever he does, and to WHATEVER club he goes to in the whole god damn wide world.

Yes he has had a dip in form and its cost us greatly.
Dont bury your head in the sand by shoving the blame on Carroll. Of course Pepe's been a great servant but he fu'cked up big style yesterday with that show of petulant idiocy. He has let himself, his team mates, his manager and more importantly, us down. He has now jepordised our chance of getting to an FA cup final (not that Im ar'sed) with his childish and stupid behaviour. He is a grown man and a seasoned international and professional player and he needs a long hard look at himself to sort his form and his future out with us. We deserve at least an apology for what happened yesterday and if he has an ounce of decency he will do it asap.

Bermenstein » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:54 am wrote:Its the worst Scoring returen the club have had in 10 years and users here having a pop at Reina?? Unbelievable...clutching at straws.....

If that long lank of Misery had of had the bottle to take his opportunity instead of diving for a pen after 10 mins against Newcastle, things could have been different in that game. It set the tone for the whole game. But this has been the case all seaon.

Pepe Reina has been a great servant to the club, and maybe he has had a slight dip in form. Who the feck hasnt at the club.

Best of luck whatever he does, and to WHATEVER club he goes to in the whole god damn wide world.

every player goes through dips in form and reina is in the middle of a dip now, that`s all anyone is saying.
no one wants him to leave.
but there are players in the side that look like they think they are beyond criticism, look at gerrard yesterday, he hardly broke sweat.
when the going gets tough the senior players are the ones that should be leading from the front, not the ones walking around with a cob on shaking their heads at every missplaced pass.
i think benitez came across this problem 18 months ago, the senior players let their heads drop and they began to show their frustration in their body language, 2 seasons on and they are doing the same again, we have got too many players and i include really good players that believe the script has already been written in games, if we go a goal down they have seen this film before, we end up losing.
the great players like souness and keegan etc wrote their own scripts, too many players lack belief and bottle in our team and have done for 2 years, a lot of them used alonso going as an excuse to throw the towel in mentally.

Thommo's perm » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:02 am wrote:

Bermenstein » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:54 am wrote:Its the worst Scoring returen the club have had in 10 years and users here having a pop at Reina?? Unbelievable...clutching at straws.....

If that long lank of Misery had of had the bottle to take his opportunity instead of diving for a pen after 10 mins against Newcastle, things could have been different in that game. It set the tone for the whole game. But this has been the case all seaon.

Pepe Reina has been a great servant to the club, and maybe he has had a slight dip in form. Who the feck hasnt at the club.

Best of luck whatever he does, and to WHATEVER club he goes to in the whole god damn wide world.

Yes he has had a dip in form and its cost us greatly.
Dont bury your head in the sand by shoving the blame on Carroll. Of course Pepe's been a great servant but he fu'cked up big style yesterday with that show of petulant idiocy. He has let himself, his team mates, his manager and more importantly, us down. He has now jepordised our chance of getting to an FA cup final (not that Im ar'sed) with his childish and stupid behaviour. He is a grown man and a seasoned international and professional player and he needs a long hard look at himself to sort his form and his future out with us. We deserve at least an apology for what happened yesterday and if he has an ounce of decency he will do it asap.

i wouldnt hold him totally to blame for that incident but he should know better.he has shown frustration before many times and it was unfortunate he got a straight red when there was clearly no contact but perch on the otherhand tackled him when he had the ball and comitted a foul so pepe got in his face over it.we have seen this before from a lot of players and not many end up with a straight red either and the club should appeal due to the fact that there was no contact.
we were 2 down and playing ***** and he let the emotion get the better of him thats it imo and he shouldnt have to apologise to anyone other than his teammates.
i hope there is big changes in the summer and also hope that he isnt one of them.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:34 am wrote:

Bermenstein » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:54 am wrote:Its the worst Scoring returen the club have had in 10 years and users here having a pop at Reina?? Unbelievable...clutching at straws.....

If that long lank of Misery had of had the bottle to take his opportunity instead of diving for a pen after 10 mins against Newcastle, things could have been different in that game. It set the tone for the whole game. But this has been the case all seaon.

Pepe Reina has been a great servant to the club, and maybe he has had a slight dip in form. Who the feck hasnt at the club.

Best of luck whatever he does, and to WHATEVER club he goes to in the whole god damn wide world.

every player goes through dips in form and reina is in the middle of a dip now, that`s all anyone is saying.
no one wants him to leave.
but there are players in the side that look like they think they are beyond criticism, look at gerrard yesterday, he hardly broke sweat.
when the going gets tough the senior players are the ones that should be leading from the front, not the ones walking around with a cob on shaking their heads at every missplaced pass.
i think benitez came across this problem 18 months ago, the senior players let their heads drop and they began to show their frustration in their body language, 2 seasons on and they are doing the same again, we have got too many players and i include really good players that believe the script has already been written in games, if we go a goal down they have seen this film before, we end up losing.
the great players like souness and keegan etc wrote their own scripts, too many players lack belief and bottle in our team and have done for 2 years, a lot of them used alonso going as an excuse to throw the towel in mentally.

tis sad but also true.
the team dont have any belief in themselves and its because we just arent good enough and they know it.we were playing much better at the start of the season and just couldnt finish,the confidence has slowly disentegrated from our players over the season to the point at which we find ourselves in now which imo is rock bottom.
for the stahlwarts like pepe and stevie they realise that we havent progressed at all and we are probably further away from greatness than we ever have been.
we just have way too many average players for us to be anything other than midtable at the moment

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:34 am wrote:

Bermenstein » Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:54 am wrote:Its the worst Scoring returen the club have had in 10 years and users here having a pop at Reina?? Unbelievable...clutching at straws.....

If that long lank of Misery had of had the bottle to take his opportunity instead of diving for a pen after 10 mins against Newcastle, things could have been different in that game. It set the tone for the whole game. But this has been the case all seaon.

Pepe Reina has been a great servant to the club, and maybe he has had a slight dip in form. Who the feck hasnt at the club.

Best of luck whatever he does, and to WHATEVER club he goes to in the whole god damn wide world.

every player goes through dips in form and reina is in the middle of a dip now, that`s all anyone is saying.
no one wants him to leave.
but there are players in the side that look like they think they are beyond criticism, look at gerrard yesterday, he hardly broke sweat.
when the going gets tough the senior players are the ones that should be leading from the front, not the ones walking around with a cob on shaking their heads at every missplaced pass.
i think benitez came across this problem 18 months ago, the senior players let their heads drop and they began to show their frustration in their body language, 2 seasons on and they are doing the same again, we have got too many players and i include really good players that believe the script has already been written in games, if we go a goal down they have seen this film before, we end up losing.
the great players like souness and keegan etc wrote their own scripts, too many players lack belief and bottle in our team and have done for 2 years, a lot of them used alonso going as an excuse to throw the towel in mentally.

tis sad but also true.
the team dont have any belief in themselves and its because we just arent good enough and they know it.we were playing much better at the start of the season and just couldnt finish,the confidence has slowly disentegrated from our players over the season to the point at which we find ourselves in now which imo is rock bottom.
for the stahlwarts like pepe and stevie they realise that we havent progressed at all and we are probably further away from greatness than we ever have been.
we just have way too many average players for us to be anything other than midtable at the moment

Yup blame the spaniard won't you? And defend to the hilt the Brit. Our recent form has nothing whatsoever to do with Reina...

maguskwt » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:01 pm wrote:Yup blame the spaniard won't you? And defend to the hilt the Brit. Our recent form has nothing whatsoever to do with Reina...

"Nothing whatsoever"?
Really?
Are you serious?

maguskwt » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:01 pm wrote:Yup blame the spaniard won't you? And defend to the hilt the Brit. Our recent form has nothing whatsoever to do with Reina...

what are you on about? if you read my post i was having a go at both gerrard and reina for being senior players and not stepping up to the plate, nationality has nothing to do with it.
and by the way reina has probably let in 10 goals this season that he should have saved, even at the very start of hodgsons reign we were beating arsenal despite being down to 10 men for most of the game after joe cole was sent off and in the dying seconds of the game reina dropped the ball onto van persie`s head, imo he hasnt been the same keeper since that clanger a season and a half ago.
when you see the vitriolic stick the likes of carroll, henderson, downing, spearing, carragher, kuyt, cole, poulson, aquilani, jovanovich, ngog etc have recieved over the past season and a half for not being at the top of their games i dont see why reina cant accept some mild criticism for not being at his best for practically 2 seasons now.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:31 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Mon Apr 02, 2012 12:01 pm wrote:Yup blame the spaniard won't you? And defend to the hilt the Brit. Our recent form has nothing whatsoever to do with Reina...

what are you on about? if you read my post i was having a go at both gerrard and reina for being senior players and not stepping up to the plate, nationality has nothing to do with it.
and by the way reina has probably let in 10 goals this season that he should have saved, even at the very start of hodgsons reign we were beating arsenal despite being down to 10 men for most of the game after joe cole was sent off and in the dying seconds of the game reina dropped the ball onto van persie`s head, imo he hasnt been the same keeper since that clanger a season and a half ago.
when you see the vitriolic stick the likes of carroll, henderson, downing, spearing, carragher, kuyt, cole, poulson, aquilani, jovanovich, ngog etc have recieved over the past season and a half for not being at the top of their games i dont see why reina cant accept some mild criticism for not being at his best for practically 2 seasons now.

We have this curious culture that means some are above criticsim yet others are fair game for a public flaying
Pepe was one of the greatest goalies ever to pull on a red shirt and was easily the best in the PL and possibly Europe for a good 5 years.
His halo has slipped of late and we are paying the price. Of course it is not all down to him and that would be a ridiculous statement for anyone to say. But, the way he once commanded the box and stopped shots seems to have gone, at least for this present moment. Whether he will get back to the way he was, or even if he wants to, remains to be seen. This is his darkest hour as a Liverpool player and I hope he comes through it. He could start by issung a public apology for his sending off as it was reckless and silly and could cost us dearly come the end of the season