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I do feel for Kenny, a great servant to our club doesn't deserve a managerial stint like this, but this is precisely what happens when you alter a winning formula and have no visible indication of your best eleven and your best formation/tactics. You sign poor players in the summer and seem to be rudderless when things start going pear-shaped. I really want Kenny to succeed here, but I fear it is asking too much from someone who has been out of the game for a long time and from someone who void of any ideas of how to plug all the gaps on what seems to be a sinking ship. The players though are an utter disgrace and if Kenny is the manager in the summer or if it's someone else, they need to get rid of some of these players and replace them with one's who are hungry to succeed at the highest levels.

friendlyguy33 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:02 pm wrote:

7_Kewell » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:00 pm wrote:Roy Evans and Souness as joint managers with Pako as assistant...the dream team!

Well you can laugh if you like but Liverpool were a decent side in the mid 90s that scored goals and beat Newcastle twice 4-3.

That si true but they had Rush, Fowler, Mcmanaman, a young Owen, so it was a bit easier to get th egoals. Back then th eproblem was the defence, well I guess it maybe still is.

Boxscarf » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:05 pm wrote:I do feel for Kenny, a great servant to our club doesn't deserve a managerial stint like this, but this is precisely what happens when you alter a winning formula and have no visible indication of your best eleven and your best formation/tactics. You sign poor players in the summer and seem to be rudderless when things start going pear-shaped. I really want Kenny to succeed here, but I fear it is asking too much from someone who has been out of the game for a long time and from someone who void of any ideas of how to plug all the gaps on what seems to be a sinking ship. The players though are an utter disgrace and if Kenny is the manager in the summer or if it's someone else, they need to get rid of some of these players and replace them with one's who are hungry to succeed at the highest levels.

The squad needs the clearout required after the Rafa/Woy era. Kuyt, Maxi and one or two others need to go I'm afraid. Maxi scores a few goals but doesn't do much else. The club need to bite the bullet and be braver about reshaping the squad it was never going to be done in one or two windows. If they get it wrong this summer it could take years or even longer to get back into the top four.

i dont feel for him, he signed garbage and left me depressed on the last day of the 2011 January window

Hes getting well paid.

friendlyguy33 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:02 pm wrote:

7_Kewell » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:00 pm wrote:Roy Evans and Souness as joint managers with Pako as assistant...the dream team!

Well you can laugh if you like but Liverpool were a decent side in the mid 90s that scored goals and beat Newcastle twice 4-3.

That's because we had brilliant players like McManaman and Fowler while now we have Sh*t like Henderson, Downing, Carroll and Adam.

People keep saying that we are so bad because we signed rubbish players but none of the players are playing well, look at Gerrard today. We started off well like in a lot of games but we just don't seem to have the belief and confidence.

I'm still hoping we can turn it around but something's not right.

Boxscarf » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:05 pm wrote:I do feel for Kenny, a great servant to our club doesn't deserve a managerial stint like this, but this is precisely what happens when you alter a winning formula and have no visible indication of your best eleven and your best formation/tactics. You sign poor players in the summer and seem to be rudderless when things start going pear-shaped. I really want Kenny to succeed here, but I fear it is asking too much from someone who has been out of the game for a long time and from someone who void of any ideas of how to plug all the gaps on what seems to be a sinking ship. The players though are an utter disgrace and if Kenny is the manager in the summer or if it's someone else, they need to get rid of some of these players and replace them with one's who are hungry to succeed at the highest levels.

There's definitely a motivational problem there. It's as if the players can only get up for games against the better sides or cup matches. Recently in the league we've just been going through the motions. I don't see any players rollocking anybody else if they're not doing their jobs or taking any responsiblity.

I'd rather stick 11 dustbins on the pitch than 11 players who only want to play for the manager and fans when it suits them. We aren't Chelsea ffs.

stmichael » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:34 pm wrote:

Boxscarf » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:05 pm wrote:I do feel for Kenny, a great servant to our club doesn't deserve a managerial stint like this, but this is precisely what happens when you alter a winning formula and have no visible indication of your best eleven and your best formation/tactics. You sign poor players in the summer and seem to be rudderless when things start going pear-shaped. I really want Kenny to succeed here, but I fear it is asking too much from someone who has been out of the game for a long time and from someone who void of any ideas of how to plug all the gaps on what seems to be a sinking ship. The players though are an utter disgrace and if Kenny is the manager in the summer or if it's someone else, they need to get rid of some of these players and replace them with one's who are hungry to succeed at the highest levels.

There's definitely a motivational problem there. It's as if the players can only get up for games against the better sides or cup matches. Recently in the league we've just been going through the motions. I don't see any players rollocking anybody else if they're not doing their jobs or taking any responsiblity.

I'd rather stick 11 dustbins on the pitch than 11 players who only want to play for the manager and fans when it suits them. We aren't Chelsea ffs.

Totally agree with this but it's up to the manager to get the lads fired up. in fairness they seemed motivated at the start of the game but then as with almost all matches they just seem to lose interest if they don't score immediately.

friendlyguy33 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:12 pm wrote:
The squad needs the clearout required after the Rafa/Woy era. Kuyt, Maxi and one or two others need to go I'm afraid. Maxi scores a few goals but doesn't do much else. The club need to bite the bullet and be braver about reshaping the squad it was never going to be done in one or two windows. If they get it wrong this summer it could take years or even longer to get back into the top four.

It will take as long as it takes, providing we're making solid progress season after season then what more can you ask for as a supporter?

D___C » Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:16 pm wrote:i dont feel for him, he signed garbage and left me depressed on the last day of the 2011 January window

Hes getting well paid.

I'm not surprised, I wouldn't exactly call you a Liverpool supporter in all honesty, so I don't really pay much attention to what you post.

heimdall » Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:42 pm wrote:
Totally agree with this but it's up to the manager to get the lads fired up. in fairness they seemed motivated at the start of the game but then as with almost all matches they just seem to lose interest if they don't score immediately.

It's up to the manager to motivate the players when they're down or when they go in at half-time behind. If a player cannot get motiviated playing for one of England's and Europe's most decorated football clubs then they do not deserve to be here.

Thing is, normally for LFC managers, if a certain level is not reached then the manager gets the sack, ie: 4th place.

Chelsea Get rid of their managers every season, if they don't win the CL or League etc. How long did AVB get? 7 months or so?

Realistically, getting rid of Kenny is a risk in itself, because whoever comes in , esp an unknown or unproven name of success (like o'neil, AVB (only won europa league), etc) is a further risk.

At the start of the season, with Adam, Carroll, Downing Henderson, Enrique, a lot of you were probably thinking we would do well.

The only big question I think there is now. Do we get rid of kenny for next season, or risk giving him another wadge of cash to spend in the summer. Only name I personally would replace him with is Rafa. After all, he only left due to gillette and Hicks didnt he.

spiceboys2014 » Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:56 pm wrote:Thing is, normally for LFC managers, if a certain level is not reached then the manager gets the sack, ie: 4th place.

Chelsea Get rid of their managers every season, if they don't win the CL or League etc. How long did AVB get? 7 months or so?

Realistically, getting rid of Kenny is a risk in itself, because whoever comes in , esp an unknown or unproven name of success (like o'neil, AVB (only won europa league), etc) is a further risk.

At the start of the season, with Adam, Carroll, Downing Henderson, Enrique, a lot of you were probably thinking we would do well.

The only big question I think there is now. Do we get rid of kenny for next season, or risk giving him another wadge of cash to spend in the summer. Only name I personally would replace him with is Rafa. After all, he only left due to gillette and Hicks didnt he.

I wouldnt give KK any more money

Rafa left because we were playing gash for too long and hed taken us as far as he could

we shouldn't bring Rafa back...if anything, bringing Kenny back has shown has proven that reliving the 'good ol days' just doesn't work. Rafa has his shot and took us as far as he could.

If we get rid of kenny in the summer, then it has to be a fresh start with a young manager who we can back long term

7_Kewell » Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:18 pm wrote:we shouldn't bring Rafa back...if anything, bringing Kenny back has shown has proven that reliving the 'good ol days' just doesn't work. Rafa has his shot and took us as far as he could.

If we get rid of kenny in the summer, then it has to be a fresh start with a young manager who we can back long term

right now I'd happily settle for 2nd in the league, and another champions league trophy, if that's what you mean.