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[Boxscarf]

if Kenny's lost the dressing room then he might as well pack it in now.

He shouldn't have lost the dressing room, every player in that dressing room should be playing for their manager as well as their team-mates, themselves and us supporters. If they are not doing that, they have no right to be at this club.

[7_Kewell]

if Kenny's lost the dressing room then he might as well pack it in now.

He shouldn't have lost the dressing room, every player in that dressing room should be playing for their manager as well as their team-mates, themselves and us supporters. If they are not doing that, they have no right to be at this club.

i agree, but we all know that's not how modern football works. Player power is the be all, sadly

[Boxscarf]

i agree, but we all know that's not how modern football works. Player power is the be all, sadly

If any player in that squad has lost faith in the manager and their team-mates and is not playing for the club then they should be rooted out and sold. We might not be the top club in England anymore or Europe, but we deserve players who respect our history and our traditions and will who give their everything in our matches. Player power has no place at Manchester United and it has no place at our club or indeed any other.

[aCe']

The players in this day and age get away with absolute f#cking murder. We've been screwed ever since the senior players essentially decided they didn't want to play for Rafa at the end of his reign. Hodgson never had their support from day one and now it's as if they've stopped playing for kenny aswell. The recent displays have been a disgrace. I don't care about tactics. There's been no heart or desire. And before you say "well it's the manager's job to motivate them" if you come to play for Liverpool and can't motivate yourself to play for the greatest player this club has ever had then you shouldn't be here simple as. Absolutely sick of players going missing time and time again. If they don't  want to play for the manager they can all f#ck off.

It's player power. Someone like Gerrard can do whatever he likes, because if Liverpool don't want him then likes of Bayern Munich, AC Milan, Real Madrid and Chelsea will. Top players like Mascherano, Gerrard etc can do whatever they want, we've seen that with Carlos Tevez and Mario Balotelli at Man City. It's disgraceful but that's the way football goes. I remember Arsenal fans saying that Cesc won't leave unless Wenger says so. How naive, Cesc was always going to be a Barcelona player at some point because that's where he wanted to go.

The players aren't performing for whatever reason, that's one reason as to why we've been doing so badly in the league, the second reason is that we lack genuine quality in a number of areas.

This is taking it too far as far as excuses go. The manager has been poor in recent games and while one person blaming the players for not being able to better motivate themselves despite the manager is bad enough, you coming out and singling Gerrard as a prima donna is just plain embarrassing to be honest.

Yes the players aren't turning up, but thats largely down to the way they are setup and their lack of quality. I dont mind some coming out and saying Gerrard has lost it or whatever other nonsense but to question his loyalty to the club and the effort he puts in as an attempt to deflect blame for the manager doesn't really help in any way.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

if the players cant get motivated by the fact that they are playing for liverpool and kenny dalglish is their manager then they`ll never be motivated in a red shirt it`s as simple as that.
we`ve got too many players going through the motions and i include some huge names in there, steven gerrard looks like someone who knows he`s got a job for life which is what he has got with his new contract and ambassadorial role after that.

[Boxscarf]

Where have I called or painted Gerrard out to be a pri-madonna? I won't bother responding to the rest of your post as it is plain as day that you have misunderstood my post.

Also I can question Gerrard's commitment to Liverpool or I did when nearly went to Chelsea twice in the space of 12 months.

[friendlyguy33]

I heard a lot of sense from Roy Evans in the LFCTV studio after the game. Seriously if Villa beat us next week and we get turned over by Blackburn and then at Wembley three days later Kenny should walk so that the owners can put Roy Evans in charge for the remaining games. This is now a shambles something has to be done.

[Thinkpad]

Kenny should leave. He has done what is required of him, that is to unite the fans and the owners and the players too.
But he is no longer astute enough to bring Liverpool to another level that is required. Maybe the problem is not him, maybe it is far more ingrained.
Liverpool has been playing "backward" football since Rafa's time. The incessant one touch no dribbling, attack with the players back facing the opponent goal strategy has been around for over a decade. The owners and fans in particular need to ask difficult questions rather than just burying their head in the sand and expect miracle with the least amount of changes to the club management. Painful changes need to happen now. Instead of saying, give the manager and the coaching staff more time. Let's unite and give the owner more time to do what is "perceived" to be painful for the fans. The fiasco with Roy is that certain segment of "REAL" fan base refused to accept him. And it affected the players and the whole situation went downhill for the club. These so called "REAL" fans value themselves and their opinions more than the club. They don't care, they want to feel important, feel needed, feel that they are making decisions for the club no matter how wrong they are. I believe Roy can't do much worst if he got the same kind of initial support Kenny received.And I stand with that opinion. Give the manager more time (5 years maybe)... unless he is Roy seems to be the calling for these fans.

The biggest problem for me is to decide whether making Kenny go will help Liverpool improve. The thing is like new players, I can really see how the new players can have an impact to the team. I still remain unconvinced of Lucas. I feel he is nothing special. Maybe he is good to this Liverpool team but you can tell he will never make it at Man Utd, ManCity, Tothenham or Arsenal. It is just Liverpool that Lucas appear to be massive. He is massive in a team that is not going to be challenging for top four. Those who blamed our current predicament to Lucas being injured are deluding themselves. Liverpool has been in many years failed to produce any good players. Whereas other teams has been hammering our top class players. It has nothing to do with luck. It has nothing to do with money (Arsenal hardly spend any) and has nothing to do with league position as shown by Newcastle. It is the team in Liverpool that oversees the academy and the club that has failed miserably. And for Kenny's performance thus far, I cannot really see how Liverpool can prosper and improve from where we are today. By the end of the season, we could be in 9th -10th position in the league. It pains me so much to say that it will take almost another 5-10 years before we can go up again. So let's start rebuilding now.. really rebuilding instead of patching the club. Do a complete wholesale change from the management down. It cannot be far worst from what we are going though. As the Chinese proverb says, Short pain is better than long pain. Get the right manager with decent performance and is known to be good at rebuilding teams. After all nobody heard of Arsene Wenger before he joins Arsenal. Look for qualities like able to spot a gem, able to get a team of just decent players and make them massive. Have a believe that attack is the best form of defense and loves the team playing beautiful football. The manager should be able to spend peanuts yet able to reach top 6. After reaching top 6 then a second wave of rebuilding will come about. You can hardly find world class players willing to play for a mid table Liverpool anymore, reaching top 6 will help to spark a second coming...

The fans need to buy this concept of rebuilding. Slow, painful but necessary rebuilding. There are so many little known managers in EPL that fits the bill. But the fans need to accept the assignment without question and prejudice. Only then can the new manager able to pull a rabbit out of the hat. Do not let what happened to Roy ever to repeat again... NEVER if Liverpool is to be challenging for top four.

So why isn't Kenny be allowed to rebuild? Because he is not the messiah that we want him to be. Let's not hit our head on the wall especially we know the wall is there and is harder than the head. Kenny performance is not what all of us are expecting. It has no hallmark that it will be better. In fact failure is written all over it. He is also not the manager our owner's have in mind. The fans demanded that he become Liverpool's manager. The fans won, but Liverpool lost.

The new manager must fulfilled that stringent but necessary requirements. Then he could be the messiah unfortunately he may not be who the manager "REAL" fans want. That is the core of the problem.. the "REAL"fans.. They think they have the right to destroy the club with their good intentions.

[Boxscarf]

I heard a lot of sense from Roy Evans in the LFCTV studio after the game. Seriously if Villa beat us next week and we get turned over by Blackburn and then at Wembley three days later Kenny should walk so that the owners can put Roy Evans in charge for the remaining games. This is now a shambles something has to be done.

You'll be calling for Gerard Houllier's return next.

[metalhead]

Now people want Roy Evans back..


this is getting hilarious

[7_Kewell]

Now people want Roy Evans back..


this is getting hilarious

I want Souness back 

[heimdall]

Now people want Roy Evans back..


this is getting hilarious

I want Souness back 

I want pako back.

[friendlyguy33]

I heard a lot of sense from Roy Evans in the LFCTV studio after the game. Seriously if Villa beat us next week and we get turned over by Blackburn and then at Wembley three days later Kenny should walk so that the owners can put Roy Evans in charge for the remaining games. This is now a shambles something has to be done.

You'll be calling for Gerard Houllier's return next.

No I won't and I only mean temporarily. The football in the mid 90s under Roy was great we knew how to open up teams and score goals. This team is just dire.

[7_Kewell]

Roy Evans and Souness as joint managers with Pako as assistant...the dream team!

[friendlyguy33]

Roy Evans and Souness as joint managers with Pako as assistant...the dream team!

Well you can laugh if you like but Liverpool were a decent side in the mid 90s that scored goals and beat Newcastle twice 4-3.