Liverpool FC Forum

stmichael » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:55 am wrote:
how do we know if he can turn it around if we don't give him the chance? honestly, the guy has been the full time manager for less than a year and already some of our fans want him sacked. we may as well be chelsea ffs. it's embarassing.

Because he has been out of the game (as a manager) for over 10 years?

Because his signings have been AWFUL, AWFUL wastes of money.

Because his tactics and man-management appear (to any clued in fan) be very, very out-dated.

Because he STILL hasn't come out and said anything about the shambolic run of results we have had.

Embarassing? The only thing I see embarassing is people's stance on this.

One set of standards for Rafa / Woy of the Wodgers and another for Kenny.

We are playing with absoulately no heart, no soul and no character. As a fan you CAN NOT hide your head in the sand, things need to be said.........

stmichael » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:55 am wrote:and as for the money argument, i couldn't give a monkey's how much players cost if they are good enough.

I don't actually know what you mean by this? Are you saying the players we have purchased this season are good enough OR will be good enough? You are having a laugh aren't you mate? Surely you aren't being serious! Of all the players we have signed only Enrique is good enough to be play for our club. Granted that Henderson is young, we can hold on to him but the others aren't good enough NOR will they ever good enough..........

stmichael » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:55 am wrote:unfortunately the players we signed in the summer have yet to flourish yet. however to think that because we've spent £100m and aren't in the top 4 that kenny must go is nonsense. man city spent over £300m and still didn't get top 4 in their first season of spending big and yet still kept mancini. they could well win sod all again this season having spent another £150m.  we have no divine right to be a champions league team anymore and that's the harsh reality.

Mate, where do I start? We have spent more money then the four teams behind us in the table COMBINED! Yet these guys are 2 to 3 points a drift of us.......Embarassing mate, simply embarassing that you are waving away 100 MILLION like there is nothing wrong and defending this nonsense. We spent that money to compete for 4th and to be competitive in the years to come. We won't get fourth this year and the squad we have a light years away from Manure the Red and Manure the Blue, Chelsea need a clear out but we can't expect them to drop off, Roman will spend the cash just like has in the past to get them back in contention next season, Tottenham and Arsenal have spent less money then us and sit 5 wins clear of us! As for the Man City example sure they didn't get fourth in their first season, but they built a platform, to challenge for CL EVERY season, to challenge for the premiership EVERY season AND the ones to follow. We don't even have a platform to challenge for 4th next season with the squad we have, do we?

stmichael » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:55 am wrote:i love this forum in general.

As do I and the people that politely disgree with your opinions.

stmichael » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:55 am wrote: it's at it's most busiest when the team is doing badly all the time. some people almost want to use this bad league run as justification as a reason to have a go at kenny (winning a cup on penalties doesn't count apparently).

I really hate this view, I have heard you sprout it and Benny sprout it time and time again. Do you honestly think that Liverpool fans "enjoy" slating our own club, players and managers for "fun"? Are we a bunch of self-deprecating muppets that we pay $65 a month to watch our side, get up at 2am in the morning (like I do) and get beaten by the likes of Wigan, QPR, etc and not have anything bad or critical to say? Mate take your hand of the crank shaft, cos it is getting a bit old and thin now........

stmichael » Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:55 am wrote:it was the same when rafa was here and some things will never change. we have players at this club who need to have a look at themselves and their own performance before we start having a go at the manager.

The universal view is that the manager brought these players in, they haven't performed and he hasn't done anything to MAKE THEM perform. To sit on the fence and SLATE ONLY the players and not the manager is beyond comprehension. Especially when we know most of them are dogs**t and can't perform to the standards we expect them to.......

carmonkeycasino » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:26 am wrote:We have made expensive mistakes and I’m not sure who we should blame — Dalglish, Comolli, the owners, etc. Everybody knows that Carroll was a mistake, Jordan Henderson is a different story. He’s a kid, 21 years of age but I can’t see anything special about him. He looks like he’ll be an average footballer at best. Jonjo Shelvey on the other hand is a player who you can see turning into something special. He should be starting instead of Henderson.

It’s a depressing situation at the moment and losing to Wigan really hurt but for the majority of games this season I’ve seen some really good football, we just can’t seem to find the back of the net (the usual). I think the players are just not arsed with the league at this stage — which is absolutely unacceptable. I’m really not looking forward to next weeks game against Newcastle, they look like a much better team than us at the moment and it’s possible that we could drop below Everton and Sunderland next weekend.

I don’t agree with people when they say “bring back Rafa”. How easily people forget. We had many of the same complaints about Rafa: Awful transfers, constantly rotating, never letting the first XI settle, bizarre substitutions, poor league form, icy relationships with the players, etc. People were calling for his head by the end of it and now you want him back?

I don’t really know what’s going to happen and I am not sure should Dalglish stay or go, but I am very very concerned about the future of this football club.

Well said.

And there are millions across the world right now VERY concerned as to what is happening to our mighty club.

Nail on the head Eds!

Of course we are all concerned, none more than KK who can see that hes out of his depth. Where was Carroll yesterday? Where was coates?

He should stay to the end of the season, we win the fa cup, then we can move on in the summer.

the man is still king, but he knows it just isn't working.

As for having a go at people who say that posters seem to enjoy when we lose, its true. A lot of 'fans' come out of the woodwork at the first sign of trouble. Possibly trolls, but its not needed

We have to give him time and have faith he will turn it round
I hope he is learning from his mistakes but at the moment it doesnt look that way

I think he has to step aside in the summer. Will always be loved by us but his decisions in the transfer market have cost us. I don't want him sacked, rather he walked with some dignity in the summer. His won us a cup and grateful for that but sorry to say our league form/position is unacceptable. He has been backed in the transfer market but in all honestly, I knew we would struggle with the players we brought in and end of the day it's down to the manager as ultimately he wanted them.

Santa » Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:51 pm wrote:Can you imagine any player who performs like this sad bunch for most of the season still be allowed to put on a red shirt by SAF? I hated the old whiskey nose but I respected him for his management style...so lets see what Kenny's gonna do about it? if he persist with picking players such as Henderson, Carroll, Downing and Adam (all his signings) for the upcoming games, then it shows weak management skills and I'm sure the owners will definitely take actions by end of the season.

Andy Carroll is putting the effort in, say what you like about his poor goal scoring record this season, but he is certainly contributing more to the first team than Adam, Downing and Henderson.

Thommo's perm » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:47 am wrote:We have to give him time and have faith he will turn it round
I hope he is learning from his mistakes but at the moment it doesnt look that way

He had the winning formula last season, but Kenny has destroyed that by bringing players that just do not fit the system and what makes it worse is the price paid for these players. Carroll and Henderson might well be potential for the future, but the pressure these players must feel everytime they walk out on to the pitch must be immense. Downing also has a ridiculous price tag dangling over his head, too. He like Adam was a big fish in a small pond, suddenly that pond has expanded and he's no so big anymore. Kenny needs to bring in a higher calibre of footballer in the summer and the players we need to make us a better team aren't playing for the England or Scotland U21's, they're playing in across Europe in other leagues.

Dalglish also needs to stop making excuses, he used fatigue as a reason for their loss yesterday. Could it not be that our abysmal form of late has eroded much of the confidence we had in say December? Kenny needs to stop looking outwards for a life raft of excuses and needs to look inwards. He's the manager, if the players are suffering from fatigue then perhaps their training sessions need a radical overhaul. We're not in Europe this season like Chelsea are and you don't see Roberto Di Matteo complaining about fatigue in light of his sides defeat to Man City.

Boxscarf » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:04 am wrote:

Thommo's perm » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:47 am wrote:We have to give him time and have faith he will turn it round
I hope he is learning from his mistakes but at the moment it doesnt look that way

He had the winning formula last season, but Kenny has destroyed that by bringing players that just do not fit the system and what makes it worse is the price paid for these players. Carroll and Henderson might well be potential for the future, but the pressure these players must feel everytime they walk out on to the pitch must be immense. Downing also has a ridiculous price tag dangling over his head, too. He like Adam was a big fish in a small pond, suddenly that pond has expanded and he's no so big anymore. Kenny needs to bring in a higher calibre of footballer in the summer and the players we need to make us a better team aren't playing for the England or Scotland U21's, they're playing in across Europe in other leagues.

Dalglish also needs to stop making excuses, he used fatigue as a reason for their loss yesterday. Could it not be that our abysmal form of late has eroded much of the confidence we had in say December? Kenny needs to stop looking outwards for a life raft of excuses and needs to look inwards. He's the manager, if the players are suffering from fatigue then perhaps their training sessions need a radical overhaul. We're not in Europe this season like Chelsea are and you don't see Roberto Di Matteo complaining about fatigue in light of his sides defeat to Man City.

Im not making excuses up for KK as I believe he is making a fundamental and massive mistake by not starting Carroll EVERY game. It is costing him dearly and has put him under immense pressure, but it is his own doing.
However, he cannot take all the blame for the last two results. To be 2-0 up with 13 minutes to go, against a club in the bottom 3 and then lose 3-2 is down to the people on the pitch. Their 3 goals were simple and avoidable and KK had nothing to do with them. Yesterday we were level after 2 minutes of the second half through KKs substitution and the players desire to score. After that it was a painful, slow decline ending in a loss to a team which has been royally fu'cked by almost everybody. Every single person, from the goalie to the centre forward should look at themselves and ask what they contributed in such a disgraceful, weak, passionless display I witnessed at Anfield yesterday.
It is KKs job to talk ***** to the media so Im not really ar'sed what he says on TV. I am arsed though about what he says behind closed doors and how much he feels he has contributed to our pathetic showing of the last 2 games.
KK and the players need to look in the mirror and ask some serious questions of themselves before its too late

Doeboy » Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:52 am wrote:I think he has to step aside in the summer. Will always be loved by us but his decisions in the transfer market have cost us. I don't want him sacked, rather he walked with some dignity in the summer. His won us a cup and grateful for that but sorry to say our league form/position is unacceptable. He has been backed in the transfer market but in all honestly, I knew we would struggle with the players we brought in and end of the day it's down to the manager as ultimately he wanted them.

Bingo!

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KK and the players need to look in the mirror and ask some serious questions of themselves before its too late[/quote]

The sooner this season finishes the better as far as I'm concerned. It's been dreadful, especially the last two months bar the Carling Cup victory.

The Evra affair has damaged us more than we think

Thommo's perm » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:58 am wrote:The Evra affair has damaged us more than we think

that has been his biggest mistake. He did everything to say Suarez should not be puncished (which is right) but then backed down and took the ban.

there is definately a LOT more to this than what we know.

Thommo's perm » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:58 am wrote:The Evra affair has damaged us more than we think

How so?

I think if he can amend his wrong doings this Summer in the window then he should stay. Everyone knows what we lack. A top ST and a RW winger. Put those 2 players into the team and it looks a lot better. He's spent a lot, some like Carroll and Hendo I think will turn out good. Unsure on Downing but I think Adam should be sold as I don't think he's going to cut it.