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by **friendlyguy33** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 7:58 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

the biggest bug bear is Kenny's signings...they're cr@p!

We haven't improved, instead we've gone backwards

I don't agree but I can understand the point. When you change three out of the four in midfield you need them to hit the ground running and for different reasons they haven't done so in enough games.

Also the end of last season was a false basis upon which to believe that top four was realistic this season. KK did well with the players last season but given the situation it was likely that the players would improve and with nothing to lose a good run seemed more likely.

More thought should have been given in particular with regard to accommodating Carroll in the team i.e. two wingers should have been signed rather than one. Today was pretty good in the first half the move that ended with the efforts by Henderson and Suarez was sublime. It all petered out a bit in the second half.

It may just require a bit of fine tuning in the summer in a couple of positions. Few would doubt Dalglish's mentality of putting together winning teams I wouldn't write him off yet.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:00 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

the biggest bug bear is Kenny's signings...they're cr@p!

We haven't improved, instead we've gone backwards

We've gone backwards since Hodgson?

Are you mental

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:08 pm

Kerry07 wrote:Wont take any of that little "rant" seriously.

Anti-Liverpool propaganda is condoning mediocrity.

When Kenny was appointed my biggest fear is that he would be nigh on untouchable. Hes King Kenny, arguably the clubs greatest ever player, then had 5 years of successful management, great leadership during the Hillsborough disaster.. etc etc...so any critique of him would be frowned upon. That is what has happened. I didnt live through that era so i dont have the emotional attachment/nostalgia etc. I appreciate what hes done before, but this is 2012.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Andy Carroll... imagine the abuse he would be receiving on forums, radio phone ins etc etc.

But as Kenny did, its different rules.

To have no criticism for a team that is 7th, 39pts from 26 games, 4 wins at home and its March, spent 100m, 70m on three british players, and are the 12th lowest goalscorers in the league with 30 goals in 26 games...to overlook that is anti-Liverpool.

Dont give a sh'it what you take seriously you tit
Nobodys said anybodys above criticism so stop trying to spin things. I see what youre doing even if others cant. We (as in real supporters) are not overlooking anything. Only a phoney would suggest we are. You didnt live through the Hillsbourough era? Then shut your Fu*king disrespectful ignorant mouth and stop mentioning it as if you know what youre talking about!
KK was and is a fuc'king legend and should be treated accordingly. He makes mistakes but to even mention Mourinho while hes still our manager proves that you are no supporter of LFC
Cu'nt!
:laugh:

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:13 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

the biggest bug bear is Kenny's signings...they're cr@p!

We haven't improved, instead we've gone backwards

is suarez cr@p? enrique? bellamy? coates?
adam we signed for about £6m, thats a decent bit of business imo and he`s a decent squad player.
so i guess your talking about henderson, downing and carroll?
carroll and henderson are young players who will come good imo and downing has been dissappointing at times this season but even he was man of the match in a cup final.
to say we have gone backwards when we`ve just won our first trophy in 6 years and have beaten man city, man united, chelsea and arsenal this season is ludicrous.

by **Kerry07** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:59 pm

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Wont take any of that little "rant" seriously.

Anti-Liverpool propaganda is condoning mediocrity.

When Kenny was appointed my biggest fear is that he would be nigh on untouchable. Hes King Kenny, arguably the clubs greatest ever player, then had 5 years of successful management, great leadership during the Hillsborough disaster.. etc etc...so any critique of him would be frowned upon. That is what has happened. I didnt live through that era so i dont have the emotional attachment/nostalgia etc. I appreciate what hes done before, but this is 2012.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Andy Carroll... imagine the abuse he would be receiving on forums, radio phone ins etc etc.

But as Kenny did, its different rules.

To have no criticism for a team that is 7th, 39pts from 26 games, 4 wins at home and its March, spent 100m, 70m on three british players, and are the 12th lowest goalscorers in the league with 30 goals in 26 games...to overlook that is anti-Liverpool.

kenny dalglish took over a side hovering above the relegation zone and a club almost in civil war, within a year he has won a trophy and while we may lack consistency we are a match for any side in the league on our day.
you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

So Hodgson is now the barometer? The club's worst post war manager, a clown who was here for 4 months, is now being compared to Kenny.

To use the worst manager in 60 years as a comparison is a terrible indictment on Kenny. Well done Kenny, you are better than arguably the worst manager the club has ever had. Completely illegitimate comparison that doesnt make Kenny look in any way better. What Kenny did in his 5 months in the 2nd half of last season.. basically got us back to where we were pre clown Hodgson...6t/7th. We were in a false position under a clown.

Kenny Dalglish took over Rafa's team (minus Mascherano, plus Meireles).. Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio, Gerrard, Meireles, Lucas, Kuyt, Torres, Maxi... hence any legitimate comparison is with Rafa and the positon when he left.

Rafa left in June 2010.. in which we finished 7th with 63pts from 38 games. We stand to finish in the same position with 57pts, and a fortune spent.

by **7_Kewell** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:12 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

the biggest bug bear is Kenny's signings...they're cr@p!

We haven't improved, instead we've gone backwards

We've gone backwards since Hodgson?

Are you mental

I meant since last summer....

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:15 pm

Kerry07 wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:Wont take any of that little "rant" seriously.

Anti-Liverpool propaganda is condoning mediocrity.

When Kenny was appointed my biggest fear is that he would be nigh on untouchable. Hes King Kenny, arguably the clubs greatest ever player, then had 5 years of successful management, great leadership during the Hillsborough disaster.. etc etc...so any critique of him would be frowned upon. That is what has happened. I didnt live through that era so i dont have the emotional attachment/nostalgia etc. I appreciate what hes done before, but this is 2012.

If Roy Hodgson had signed Andy Carroll... imagine the abuse he would be receiving on forums, radio phone ins etc etc.

But as Kenny did, its different rules.

To have no criticism for a team that is 7th, 39pts from 26 games, 4 wins at home and its March, spent 100m, 70m on three british players, and are the 12th lowest goalscorers in the league with 30 goals in 26 games...to overlook that is anti-Liverpool.

kenny dalglish took over a side hovering above the relegation zone and a club almost in civil war, within a year he has won a trophy and while we may lack consistency we are a match for any side in the league on our day.
you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

So Hodgson is now the barometer? The club's worst post war manager, a clown who was here for 4 months, is now being compared to Kenny.

To use the worst manager in 60 years as a comparison is a terrible indictment on Kenny. Well done Kenny, you are better than arguably the worst manager the club has ever had. Completely illegitimate comparison that doesnt make Kenny look in any way better.

Kenny Dalglish took over Rafa's team (minus Mascherano, plus Meireles).. Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Aurelio, Gerrard, Meireles, Lucas, Kuyt, Torres, Maxi... hence any legitimate comparison is with Rafa and the positon when he left.

Rafa left in June 2010.. in which we finished 7th with 63pts from 38 games. We stand to finish in the same position with 57pts, and a fortune spent.

of course he is the barometer because that is dalglish`s starting point, dalglish inherited the team from the worst manager this club has had for 60 years.
when ferguson inherited united from atkinson were the united fans asking why they werent playing like busby`s best, law and charlton side within a year? no, because they were realistic, ferguson was there four years without winning anything before they put up the ta-ra fergie not good enough banners.
dalglish inherited `rafa`s team` that won only 1 away game in 6 months, got outplayed and beaten at home by reading in the f.a cup, got humiliated 2-0 by a portsmouth side made up of loan signings, journeymen pro`s and any players left that they couldnt sell because no other club wanted them, infact that portsmouth team hadnt even been paid in 3 months when they played us off the park.
this club has been in a tailspin for 2 seasons under both rafa`s and hodgsons watch, kenny is picking up the pieces but it doesnt happen overnight.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:15 pm

I think those who don't believe in where Kenny is taking the club should keep their own counsel for the time being ,because football has a habit of rewarding those who afford it patience .

Dalglish would step aside in a veritable heartbeat if he genuinely believed he couldn't put this club back at the pinnacle of European football . I have no reservations whatsoever concerning the mans love and passion for the club .

by **metalhead** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:15 pm

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

the biggest bug bear is Kenny's signings...they're cr@p!

We haven't improved, instead we've gone backwards

is suarez cr@p? enrique? bellamy? coates?
adam we signed for about £6m, thats a decent bit of business imo and he`s a decent squad player.
so i guess your talking about henderson, downing and carroll?
carroll and henderson are young players who will come good imo and downing has been dissappointing at times this season but even he was man of the match in a cup final.
to say we have gone backwards when we`ve just won our first trophy in 6 years and have beaten man city, man united, chelsea and arsenal this season is ludicrous.

spot on mate,

we haven't gone backwards, winning the carling cup is a proof of our improvement. Granted we haven't been rosy in the league or anywhere near to our goal, but we still have a high chance of getting the domestic cup double this season

by **7_Kewell** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:17 pm

yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

the biggest bug bear is Kenny's signings...they're cr@p!

We haven't improved, instead we've gone backwards

is suarez cr@p? enrique? bellamy? coates?
adam we signed for about £6m, thats a decent bit of business imo and he`s a decent squad player.
so i guess your talking about henderson, downing and carroll?
carroll and henderson are young players who will come good imo and downing has been dissappointing at times this season but even he was man of the match in a cup final.
to say we have gone backwards when we`ve just won our first trophy in 6 years and have beaten man city, man united, chelsea and arsenal this season is ludicrous.

Suarez, Enrique and Bellamy are fine...but Coates? Who knows, he's vanished since he joined.

As for Adam, Carroll, Henderson and Downing...they have been so, so poor that the team has suffered a collapse in form. All of them are average mid table players who wouldn't get onto the BENCH of Kenny's title winning side of the 1980s...let alone get a regular place, week in, week out.

They are, quite frankly, players who i expect to see at Newcastle...

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:36 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:I think those who don't believe in where Kenny is taking the club should keep their own counsel for the time being ,because football has a habit of rewarding those who afford it patience .

Dalglish would step aside in a veritable heartbeat if he genuinely believed he couldn't put this club back at the pinnacle of European football . I have no reservations whatsoever concerning the mans love and passion for the club .

you know what mate i just thank god that we didnt have these fans following us years ago, i really do.
when shankly went on that 6 year run without winning anything these lot would have hounded him out, in that time shankly spent big money on the likes of tony hately, alun evans and even john toshack didnt look great early on.
but the fans stuck with him through thick and thin and were rewarded when he built a team that went on to dominate english and european football throughout the 70`s, about 8 or 9 of the players that won the european cup in 77 were shankly signings, and other shankly signings like toshack and fairclough were on the bench too.
barcelona broke the world record on their star player johann cruyff in the 70`s and shanks spent 35 grand on ours from scunthorpe, guess who won when they met in europe? we even beat them at the nou camp with toshack getting the winner.
these days even after beating barca you`d have fans whinging how shanks wasted 100 grand on evans and a 100 grand on hately, never mind the likes of peplow and mclaughlin.
these modern `fans` would have hounded the great man out and the club would have missed out on those great nights in the 70`s

by **7_Kewell** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:42 pm

I don't think any serious 'pool fan is asking for Kenny's head. Personally, i would give him until Christmas. Which begs the question...just how long would everyone else give him?

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:55 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
yckatbjywtbiastkamb wrote:you are living in la la land if you think dalglish or any manager is going to turn things around in a year.
mourinho is the last manager i`d have at anfield, all that special one bollux is the antithesis of what this club is all about.

the biggest bug bear is Kenny's signings...they're cr@p!

We haven't improved, instead we've gone backwards

is suarez cr@p? enrique? bellamy? coates?
adam we signed for about £6m, thats a decent bit of business imo and he`s a decent squad player.
so i guess your talking about henderson, downing and carroll?
carroll and henderson are young players who will come good imo and downing has been dissappointing at times this season but even he was man of the match in a cup final.
to say we have gone backwards when we`ve just won our first trophy in 6 years and have beaten man city, man united, chelsea and arsenal this season is ludicrous.

Suarez, Enrique and Bellamy are fine...but Coates? Who knows, he's vanished since he joined.

As for Adam, Carroll, Henderson and Downing...they have been so, so poor that the team has suffered a collapse in form. All of them are average mid table players who wouldn't get onto the BENCH of Kenny's title winning side of the 1980s...let alone get a regular place, week in, week out.

They are, quite frankly, players who i expect to see at Newcastle...

henderson is 21 and carroll turned 22 days after we signed him mate, i think you need to be realistic, the likes of comoli and our owners spoke about buying young players with their best years ahead of them because of all that moneyball malarky.
do you expect players of that age to be the finished article?
in the early 80`s when we brought the likes of rush, whelan, lee and craig johnston into the side the likes of graeme souness, phil neal, kenny dalglish etc stood up to be counted and helped the lads settle, if you put a 21 year old ian rush or sammy lee in this team we have now they`d struggle for form too, all young players do.
to say carroll and henderson are poor signings at the start of their careers is nuts.

by **aCe'** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:57 pm

If management was only about setting the side up and motivating the players then I'd say Kenny was doing an excellent job. Unfortunately though, money and transfers are also a huge part of management nowadays and these aspects will have to be factored into whatever review of his performance. Interestingly, if the buys Kenny made were as poor as many make out (myself being one of those; huge waste of money imo) then you have to credit Kenny for winning us a trophy, getting us in a strong position to win another, and staying in the fight for 4th until March. With better players we arguably would have been in a much stronger position in the league. And therein lies the problem imo.

Personally, I dont think Kenny will ever repeat the mistake of spending over 50million on players like Carroll and Henderson. Both have so far been poor buys and whether they ever make the grade remains uncertain. What is certainly a reality though is that their presence in the side did our chances of getting that 4th spot no favors whatsoever.

The runs in the cups have (for me) saved our season. Winning the FA Cup should now become our priority and that would secure Kenny's short term future and rightly so. Hopefully, in the summer Kenny brings in a better calibre of players and we build on whatever success we achieve this season.

by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:58 pm

7_Kewell wrote:I don't think any serious 'pool fan is asking for Kenny's head. Personally, i would give him until Christmas. Which begs the question...just how long would everyone else give him?

as long as he wants

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