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[friendlyguy33]

I will ask the question again

Are we any further forward?
league wise? no
player wise? no

What then?

Be specific.. what are we further forward at?

I disagree. Carroll for all his faults this year is a stronger and more difficult striker to handle than Ngog. Henderson has had some good games this year including today and is better than the likes of Babel or Jovanovic. Likewise Downing has contributed more than Cole and Adam is streets ahead of Poulsen. Similarly Enrique as against Konckesky.

League wise we may have only a point more than at this stage a year ago but in the long term I think the squad is better. The fact is that in the cups we are genuinely competing again and we're still in the mix mathmatically or the the top four. You couldn't say that a year ago.

I don't think it helps to keep rubbishing the squad. We should be getting behind the players and the manager not denigrating them at every turn.

You've resorted to comparing players who cost 70million with reserve players.

Ade Akinbiyi has a better goal return than Ngog.



Its evident that some people have the blinkers on, and refuse to see what everyone outside the club can see. I watch LFCTV constantly, but i also listen/watch other media outlets to get an objective view.

We signed poorly.
We are no further forward league wise.
We have played 26 games, have 4 wins at home, scored 30 goals, have a plus 5 goal difference, sit 7th, and this is a season where both Chelsea and Arsenal have dipped and are deemed to have been in a crisis.

Im looking ahead.. how can anyone see us moving forward? What evidence? What will change next season to be different to this one? The British players that are not good enough have only just been signed for a fortune. Will they be moved on quickly and be replaced by quality? They all played against championship side Cardiff and bar Downing they were dreadful... two taken off having done nothing, and the other overhit everything. If Kenny Miller doesn't blaze his shot over the bar in the 88th minute i wonder what people would be saying now.

We are in dire need of goals, dont have a goalscorer.. and there is a player sat on the bench who Kenny paid 35million for. Imagine the same scenario, but Hodgson had done it.

If you aint asking questions you aint a fan of this club.

Cole was a reserve player when Hodgson signed him was he?

There's asking questions and there's just downright negativity for the sake of it.

Sure things need to improve but the bigger picture is the long term project which the club are trying to build.

Also a fair assessment can only be made at the end of the season. Whoever had come in after Hodgson wouldn't have necessarily done any better this season. It took City three years of spending to get into the top four. Liverpool remain a work in progress rather than the finished article. Comolli has indicated there will be further buys in the summer probably from abroad so you'll get your wish I think.

That said if the team only has 40 points at this stage next season it is highly unlikely that Dalglish will be in charge beyond the summer of 2013.

[7_Kewell]

I wish people would stop using City and their "four years of spending" as an excuse. It doesn't stack up when you consider NEWCASTLE and above us and STOKE are 3 points behind us...

[friendlyguy33]

I wish people would stop using City and their "four years of spending" as an excuse. It doesn't stack up when you consider NEWCASTLE and above us and STOKE are 3 points behind us...

It's not an excuse. Look at Villas-Boas at Chelsea he didn't deliver this season. The idea that KK or anyone else would have instantly delivered or guaranteed top four this season is a delusion.

The league position isn't good enough but I don't buy the idea that last summer's transfer window was sufficient time to put right what went wrong before that.

[Penguins]

I wish people would stop using City and their "four years of spending" as an excuse. It doesn't stack up when you consider NEWCASTLE and above us and STOKE are 3 points behind us...

It's not an excuse. Look at Villas-Boas at Chelsea he didn't deliver this season. The idea that KK or anyone else would have instantly delivered or guaranteed top four this season is a delusion.

The league position isn't good enough but I don't buy the idea that last summer's transfer window was sufficient time to put right what went wrong before that.

And look what happened to AVB....

[Kerry07]

Villas Boas didnt deliver and was fired.. echoing my point that Chelsea are deemed to be in a crisis, and they sit 7 points clear of us, and are in the last 16 of the CL. He didnt spend 100m either.

When does the heat come on Kenny?

He has to be accountable for his 70million outlay on average british players, he has to be accountable for us sitting 7th in the league, with 4 wins at home in March. We all know that Roy Hodgson would be, Kenny doesnt get special dispensation. My fear when he was appointed is that he would.

In Summer 2002 Houllier bought Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou (just 20m outlay), the following season we finished 5th, and a year later finished 4th.. and he was sacked.

In 2011 Kenny spent triple that on british players, one of whom is the 8th most expensive player in the history of the sport, an uproven 35million pound bench warmer, and we wont finish any higher than 6th. If there is no improvement next season Kenny will be gone. Now i have asked the question what will be different next season, because i cant see how it can be. The british players have only just been signed for a fortune, they are on huge wages, no one would spend half on what we paid for them, they have no resale value. So in the likelihood that they will still be here and we cant replace them with quality.. how can next season be any different to this one? What evidence is there that we are moving forward. The statistics show we are not, the players we have show we are not. The league table doesnt lie.

[friendlyguy33]

Villas Boas didnt deliver and was fired.. echoing my point that Chelsea are deemed to be in a crisis, and they sit 7 points clear of us, and are in the last 16 of the CL. He didnt spend 100m either.

When does the heat come on Kenny?

He has to be accountable for his 70million outlay on average british players, he has to be accountable for us sitting 7th in the league, with 4 wins at home in March. We all know that Roy Hodgson would be, Kenny doesnt get special dispensation. My fear when he was appointed is that he would.

In Summer 2002 Houllier bought Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou (just 20m outlay), the following season we finished 5th, and a year later finished 4th.. and he was sacked.

In 2011 Kenny spent triple that on british players, one of whom is the 8th most expensive player in the history of the sport, an uproven 35million pound bench warmer, and we wont finish any higher than 6th. If there is no improvement next season Kenny will be gone. Now i have asked the question what will be different next season, because i cant see how it can be. The british players have only just been signed for a fortune, they are on huge wages, no one would spend half on what we paid for them, they have no resale value. So in the likelihood that they will still be here and we cant replace them with quality.. how can next season be any different to this one? What evidence is there that we are moving forward. The statistics show we are not, the players we have show we are not. The league table doesnt lie.

My point is that if we're not careful Liverpool will end up like Chelsea wanting to change manager every season. Chelsea got rid of an experienced guy in Ancelotti last season.

There's no guarantee that KK's successor in the summer could do any better next season. Changing horses doesn't mean things will necessarily improve instantly. Are you going to call for KK's successor to be sacked in twelve months from now? Where does it end?

[Kerry07]

Not if the successor is Mourinho.

[redtrader74]

You might want Mourinho, but he won't want us, this line is a waste of time. Where ever he has managed, HE has been at the Club that spent the MOST money during his time there, and just prior to him.

[yckatbjywtbiastkamb]

Villas Boas didnt deliver and was fired.. echoing my point that Chelsea are deemed to be in a crisis, and they sit 7 points clear of us, and are in the last 16 of the CL. He didnt spend 100m either.

When does the heat come on Kenny?

He has to be accountable for his 70million outlay on average british players, he has to be accountable for us sitting 7th in the league, with 4 wins at home in March. We all know that Roy Hodgson would be, Kenny doesnt get special dispensation. My fear when he was appointed is that he would.

In Summer 2002 Houllier bought Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou (just 20m outlay), the following season we finished 5th, and a year later finished 4th.. and he was sacked.

In 2011 Kenny spent triple that on british players, one of whom is the 8th most expensive player in the history of the sport, an uproven 35million pound bench warmer, and we wont finish any higher than 6th. If there is no improvement next season Kenny will be gone. Now i have asked the question what will be different next season, because i cant see how it can be. The british players have only just been signed for a fortune, they are on huge wages, no one would spend half on what we paid for them, they have no resale value. So in the likelihood that they will still be here and we cant replace them with quality.. how can next season be any different to this one? What evidence is there that we are moving forward. The statistics show we are not, the players we have show we are not. The league table doesnt lie.

the heat wont come on kenny, not from the older fans and the fans that have a clue anyway.
if you like hounding managers out go and support chelsea they have a really high turnover of managers, you`ll have a ball supporting them.
dalglish has been here 1 calender year, he hasnt even completed 1 full season yet and you want him sacked?
i think some of the other posters might be right, i think you are a manc or a bluenose just stirring sh.1t.

[lakes10]

You might want Mourinho, but he won't want us, this line is a waste of time. Where ever he has managed, HE has been at the Club that spent the MOST money during his time there.

not ture mate, Mourinho has stated in the past that Liverpool would be one of the few places he would come back to England for. he has said before he loves the city and the history of the club and grow up in a time when football meant Liverpool.

[Kerry07]

You might want Mourinho, but he won't want us, this line is a waste of time. Where ever he has managed, HE has been at the Club that spent the MOST money during his time there, and just prior to him.

ill-informed comment.

Ian McGarry, a friend of his, has stated on five live, Liverpool is the club that appeals to him most.

[lakes10]

was it just me or did Gerrard look like he had the hump before and during the game?

wonder if he was fit and just not picked?

[Kerry07]

Villas Boas didnt deliver and was fired.. echoing my point that Chelsea are deemed to be in a crisis, and they sit 7 points clear of us, and are in the last 16 of the CL. He didnt spend 100m either.

When does the heat come on Kenny?

He has to be accountable for his 70million outlay on average british players, he has to be accountable for us sitting 7th in the league, with 4 wins at home in March. We all know that Roy Hodgson would be, Kenny doesnt get special dispensation. My fear when he was appointed is that he would.

In Summer 2002 Houllier bought Diouf, Diao and Cheyrou (just 20m outlay), the following season we finished 5th, and a year later finished 4th.. and he was sacked.

In 2011 Kenny spent triple that on british players, one of whom is the 8th most expensive player in the history of the sport, an uproven 35million pound bench warmer, and we wont finish any higher than 6th. If there is no improvement next season Kenny will be gone. Now i have asked the question what will be different next season, because i cant see how it can be. The british players have only just been signed for a fortune, they are on huge wages, no one would spend half on what we paid for them, they have no resale value. So in the likelihood that they will still be here and we cant replace them with quality.. how can next season be any different to this one? What evidence is there that we are moving forward. The statistics show we are not, the players we have show we are not. The league table doesnt lie.

the heat wont come on kenny, not from the older fans and the fans that have a clue anyway.
if you like hounding managers out go and support chelsea they have a really high turnover of managers, you`ll have a ball supporting them.
dalglish has been here 1 calender year, he hasnt even completed 1 full season yet and you want him sacked?
i think some of the other posters might be right, i think you are a manc or a bluenose just stirring sh.1t.

"older fans"

And that right there is the fear that i mentioned. The special dispensation. Rather than judging his performance like any other manager, he has accrued credits among the "older fans" that mean he can do what the hell he likes. Hes untouchable.

I didnt actually say i want him sacked.. what i have asked for is where are we moving forward? What evidence is there that next season will be any different?

[redtrader74]

You might want Mourinho, but he won't want us, this line is a waste of time. Where ever he has managed, HE has been at the Club that spent the MOST money during his time there.

not ture mate, Mourinho has stated in the past that Liverpool would be one of the few places he would come back to England for. he has said before he loves the city and the history of the club and grow up in a time when football meant Liverpool.

What else would you expect him to say? The guy knows the basics of PR,
" Liverpool is a sh!thouse full of scum fans and they harp on about their past" wouldnt go down too well. Qoutes from football people are usually sycophantic, tired banal cliches, when asked about other players and clubs.

[friendlyguy33]

Not if the successor is Mourinho.

Sport isn't an exact science it wouldn't be guaranteed he'd engineer a title challenge next season.

That said I suspect if Liverpool lose to Sunderland next weekend and don't win the derby or win at QPR there are going to be more rumblings about Dalglish's long term future.