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by **yckatbjywtbiastkamb** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:38 pm

jacdaniel wrote:
Greavesie wrote:
jacdaniel wrote:Well, according to Comolli we wont be spending big this summer.

source?

Its reported on a bunch of webistes. This is what he said: Doesn't sound like we'll be up to too much over the summer

"It is early days. We will probably make some adjustments in the summer but nothing that we've done before,'' he said. "We signed nine players since Kenny came back so there will be a few adjustments but nothing massive.

"We have done the hard work and now it is a question of making some adjustments in certain positions.

"Kenny has said it several times that we have a very competitive squad and all positions are covered by two or three players, quality players, and we have a lot of young players coming through as well.''

to be fair we probably dont need a radical overhaul of the squad, the keeper is as good as you are going to get, back 4 looks good and all of them are just entering their prime years for defenders, plenty of cover there too, center mid will look better once lucas returns, they probably envisage lucas and gerrard being the mainstays next season, up front suarez and carroll are starting to look better as well.........i think it maybe only the wide area`s that we might see someone come in but even then sterling might come into the equation next year.
maybe the management think that the likes of sterling, suso and silva (who is under rated, he looks a good player to me) deserve a chance.

by **parchpea** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:25 pm

I think we do need at least 4 out and 4 in to freshen up he squad and push on. If you dont keep refreshing the squad you get nowhere and I am certain they will be looking to liven it up in the summer.

End of the day we are still some way off the top and though it will always be a big challenge to reach that point you have to keep pressing your own agenda and buying better players to replace what we have.

Some decent lads here but there are number of positions we can improve on and no point sticking with players that have failed us (to this point) in terms of our efforts in the league and thats where Liverpool must improve despite some great moments in the cups.

by **stmichael** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:56 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Kenny Kan wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Kenny Kan wrote:I'd like to see Kenny revert back to 4-4-2.

We played this system at the beginning of the season and were able to produce some wonderful football with it. We played this formation when we were genuinely unlucky in front of goal and when we were carving teams open. We used the width of the pitch much better than we currently do now as we tend IMO to get too narrow and not as effective in the wide areas.

Yes, we do become a little soft in the middle of the park and leave more space for teams to exploit. But I think we should encourage teams coming to Anfield to 'have a go' and try and exploit that space in the center. It results in an open game and will put more pressure on our the back four if teams are encouraged to 'have a go'. I think we'd have to play with a slightly higher line and squeeze the gap somewhat between defense and midfield but this isn't a bad thing. We've seen our current system huff and puff to break teams down, especially at Anfield and I wouldn't (personally) rely on this game plan to get us fourth - we'll end up drawing more, the proof is already in the pudding.

I think Kenny should go back to the expansive approach rather than stick with the pragmatic one, one I think Clarke has helped put into effect. I honestly believe with these players attack is the best form of defense, I'd even play it against Arsenal on the weekend who defensively aren't the best and we need to pressure defenses more rather than run out of ideas, like we did against Spurs. I think the formation here can help with that and set the tone and mentality to go out and win.

We played 4-4-2 at Bolton , they managed to rip right through our soft centre to beat us at ease - that game is the perfect advert for not playing 4-4-2

Your basing the avoidance of playing 442 on one game? Even though we played this to good effect earlier on in the season?

And you're also forgetting about personnel, Gerrard and Adam wouldn't be my CM pairing.

Gerrard and Alonso in a 2 man midfield would have been perfect

Actually I remember that wasn't that effective, as Gerrard isn't the most positionally disciplined player in the world.

The best set-up we had actually was the midfield triangle of

Mascherano - Alonso
|
Gerrard

would be interesting to see if we ever get the opportuninty to test the modern day equivalent

Lucas - Adam
|
Gerrard

I agree.

Gerrard-Alonso didn't really work and neither did Gerrard-Mascherano.

Gerrard is not a central midfielder in a two and hasn't been for 5-6 years.

by **Doc Lashed** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:27 pm

I think Kenny's idea is to replace the Mascherano-Alonso-Gerard holy trinity with the Lucas-Adam-Gerard trinity, with Henderson tried on the right but ultimately seen as Gerard's replacement.

Firstly, I think a fit Lucas can stand toe to toe with Mascherano.

However, Adam does not have the vision or quality of Alonso. He doesn't even have the movement and, lets face it, Alonso wasn't the quickest. Adams not a bad player. On form he has a great range of precision passes. But I don't think he is the quality answer. And he's certainly not a defensive midfielder, as witnessed with Kenny Millers last ditch shot over the bar. Adam let Miller go.

Its only natural that Stevie's legs are going. He's not 26 anymore.

I'm not sure yet about Henderson. Sometimes he looks confident, comfortable and full of potential and other times he looks lost.

I think we're crying out for defensive midfield cover for Lucas, an up and coming playmaker that Stevie can guide through, and someone with quality on the right.

by **damjan193** » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:46 pm

Henderson Lucas

Gerrard

Looks better to me.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:18 am

Henderson is a replacement for Gerrard
Adam is a replacement for Alonso

by **Kerry07** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:13 am

Thommo's perm wrote:Henderson is a replacement for Gerrard
Adam is a replacement for Alonso

and Carroll a replacement for Torres. And Lucas a replacement for Mascherano. Ok hand me the noose.

---Mascherano---Alonso
----------Gerrard
----------Torres

-------Lucas---Adam
--------Henderson
----------Carroll

Its like looking at first team vs the reserves.

That 2009 line up really should have won the league. The wings with Reira and Benayoun were decent.. tho not really league title standard.

We are a long way back from where we were in 2009, which is why Kenny has such a massive job to turn things around. When they say 2 new players in the summer.. that means 2 top first teamers (Javi Martinez, Eden Hazard.. standard)... as opposed to 2 decent signings as that wont ever be enough to get us challenging for top 4.

-----Lucas--Martinez
Hazard-Gerrard-Downing
----------Suarez

by **kartiek** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:25 am

I met up with an old friend who supports LFC as well just today. I think he reminded me pretty well of how silly I am in that I've convinced myself of what we have is going to be great.

Fact is, it won't be. We've really bought mediocrity, and that too at a very very very high price. I know sometimes I see a glimmer of hope in Jordan Henderson, but seriously? The boy has a sweet foot on him, but that's about it. With that, he can cross well and sometimes pick out a good through ball. But are we seriously thinking of him becoming that creative, driving force of LFC in years to come, that's going to replace gerrard? Rubbish, it's just not going to happen. And what's the point of buying youngsters when they're going to cost just as much as proven quality in the latter half of 20s?

And Carroll? The little said of him the better. Downing is right up there with the mediocre. I know he showed some hope again the other day, but it's a bit too much to expect him to really become that player who changes things for us. He's not and he will never be.

The only one decent enough to be a good squad player for us is Adam, and his goals+assists reflect that. The rest is just very depressingly, not up for top 4 and champions league nights.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:19 am

kartiek wrote:I met up with an old friend who supports LFC as well just today. I think he reminded me pretty well of how silly I am in that I've convinced myself of what we have is going to be great.

Fact is, it won't be. We've really bought mediocrity, and that too at a very very very high price. I know sometimes I see a glimmer of hope in Jordan Henderson, but seriously? The boy has a sweet foot on him, but that's about it. With that, he can cross well and sometimes pick out a good through ball. But are we seriously thinking of him becoming that creative, driving force of LFC in years to come, that's going to replace gerrard? Rubbish, it's just not going to happen. And what's the point of buying youngsters when they're going to cost just as much as proven quality in the latter half of 20s?

And Carroll? The little said of him the better. Downing is right up there with the mediocre. I know he showed some hope again the other day, but it's a bit too much to expect him to really become that player who changes things for us. He's not and he will never be.

The only one decent enough to be a good squad player for us is Adam, and his goals+assists reflect that. The rest is just very depressingly, not up for top 4 and champions league nights.

You seem very easy to convince?
Maybe we could have a chat about your bank account details...?
:eyebrow

by **Thommo's perm** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:37 am

Kerry07 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Henderson is a replacement for Gerrard
Adam is a replacement for Alonso

and Carroll a replacement for Torres. And Lucas a replacement for Mascherano. Ok hand me the noose.

How much rope will you need?

by **RedAnt** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:45 pm

kartiek wrote:I met up with an old friend who supports LFC as well just today. I think he reminded me pretty well of how silly I am in that I've convinced myself of what we have is going to be great.

Fact is, it won't be. We've really bought mediocrity, and that too at a very very very high price. I know sometimes I see a glimmer of hope in Jordan Henderson, but seriously? The boy has a sweet foot on him, but that's about it. With that, he can cross well and sometimes pick out a good through ball. But are we seriously thinking of him becoming that creative, driving force of LFC in years to come, that's going to replace gerrard? Rubbish, it's just not going to happen. And what's the point of buying youngsters when they're going to cost just as much as proven quality in the latter half of 20s?

And Carroll? The little said of him the better. Downing is right up there with the mediocre. I know he showed some hope again the other day, but it's a bit too much to expect him to really become that player who changes things for us. He's not and he will never be.

The only one decent enough to be a good squad player for us is Adam, and his goals+assists reflect that. The rest is just very depressingly, not up for top 4 and champions league nights.

Can't agree with this. Liverpool have very rarely signed "super star footballers". The whole is the sum of its parts and all that. The likes of Adam, Hendo, Carroll and co may not look the best on paper, but it's about getting them to play together, not writing a pretty team sheet. In the 80's and early 90's we had the likes of Rush, Whelan, Molby, Hansen, Lawro, Brucie Grobbs to name just a few. None were superstars. None were the equivalent of £20m signings. None were able to win games entirely alone. We had good management, good tactics, team spirit, belief, and possibly most importantly...the Kop.

My all time fave Liverpool player is Ronnie Whelan. We signed him for 100k or something (granted, quite a large fee at the time for an unknown) from a team in Dublin called Home Farm. He was a nobody, but our scouts figured he, like many other players, would become something special. He was never flashy (though he scored some nice goals) but he was solid. He became absolutley vital to us as an unsung hero, much like Lucas has become. It takes time, faith and patience. Some don't work out but some do. Don't be too hasty in passing judgement. Our scouts have seen something in these players and let's face it, they know more than we do.

by **Kerry07** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:15 pm

RedAnt wrote:
kartiek wrote:I met up with an old friend who supports LFC as well just today. I think he reminded me pretty well of how silly I am in that I've convinced myself of what we have is going to be great.

Fact is, it won't be. We've really bought mediocrity, and that too at a very very very high price. I know sometimes I see a glimmer of hope in Jordan Henderson, but seriously? The boy has a sweet foot on him, but that's about it. With that, he can cross well and sometimes pick out a good through ball. But are we seriously thinking of him becoming that creative, driving force of LFC in years to come, that's going to replace gerrard? Rubbish, it's just not going to happen. And what's the point of buying youngsters when they're going to cost just as much as proven quality in the latter half of 20s?

And Carroll? The little said of him the better. Downing is right up there with the mediocre. I know he showed some hope again the other day, but it's a bit too much to expect him to really become that player who changes things for us. He's not and he will never be.

The only one decent enough to be a good squad player for us is Adam, and his goals+assists reflect that. The rest is just very depressingly, not up for top 4 and champions league nights.

Can't agree with this. Liverpool have very rarely signed "super star footballers". The whole is the sum of its parts and all that. The likes of Adam, Hendo, Carroll and co may not look the best on paper, but it's about getting them to play together, not writing a pretty team sheet. In the 80's and early 90's we had the likes of Rush, Whelan, Molby, Hansen, Lawro, Brucie Grobbs to name just a few. None were superstars. None were the equivalent of £20m signings. None were able to win games entirely alone. We had good management, good tactics, team spirit, belief, and possibly most importantly...the Kop.

My all time fave Liverpool player is Ronnie Whelan. We signed him for 100k or something (granted, quite a large fee at the time for an unknown) from a team in Dublin called Home Farm. He was a nobody, but our scouts figured he, like many other players, would become something special. He was never flashy (though he scored some nice goals) but he was solid. He became absolutley vital to us as an unsung hero, much like Lucas has become. It takes time, faith and patience. Some don't work out but some do. Don't be too hasty in passing judgement. Our scouts have seen something in these players and let's face it, they know more than we do.

The most bizarre post ive read on here in 4 years.

Lists world class players who kept us at the top of the league, and then tells us not to be hasty with players who keep us at 7th.

by **RedAnt** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:28 pm

Kerry07 wrote:
RedAnt wrote:
kartiek wrote:I met up with an old friend who supports LFC as well just today. I think he reminded me pretty well of how silly I am in that I've convinced myself of what we have is going to be great.

Fact is, it won't be. We've really bought mediocrity, and that too at a very very very high price. I know sometimes I see a glimmer of hope in Jordan Henderson, but seriously? The boy has a sweet foot on him, but that's about it. With that, he can cross well and sometimes pick out a good through ball. But are we seriously thinking of him becoming that creative, driving force of LFC in years to come, that's going to replace gerrard? Rubbish, it's just not going to happen. And what's the point of buying youngsters when they're going to cost just as much as proven quality in the latter half of 20s?

And Carroll? The little said of him the better. Downing is right up there with the mediocre. I know he showed some hope again the other day, but it's a bit too much to expect him to really become that player who changes things for us. He's not and he will never be.

The only one decent enough to be a good squad player for us is Adam, and his goals+assists reflect that. The rest is just very depressingly, not up for top 4 and champions league nights.

Can't agree with this. Liverpool have very rarely signed "super star footballers". The whole is the sum of its parts and all that. The likes of Adam, Hendo, Carroll and co may not look the best on paper, but it's about getting them to play together, not writing a pretty team sheet. In the 80's and early 90's we had the likes of Rush, Whelan, Molby, Hansen, Lawro, Brucie Grobbs to name just a few. None were superstars. None were the equivalent of £20m signings. None were able to win games entirely alone. We had good management, good tactics, team spirit, belief, and possibly most importantly...the Kop.

My all time fave Liverpool player is Ronnie Whelan. We signed him for 100k or something (granted, quite a large fee at the time for an unknown) from a team in Dublin called Home Farm. He was a nobody, but our scouts figured he, like many other players, would become something special. He was never flashy (though he scored some nice goals) but he was solid. He became absolutley vital to us as an unsung hero, much like Lucas has become. It takes time, faith and patience. Some don't work out but some do. Don't be too hasty in passing judgement. Our scouts have seen something in these players and let's face it, they know more than we do.

The most bizarre post ive read on here in 4 years.

Lists world class players who kept us at the top of the league, and then tells us not to be hasty with players who keep us at 7th.

World class players? I think you mean legends. And it took those players years to achieve legendary status. You write off anyone who isn't an instant success and then find my post bizzarre?

Look at Rushie's time at Juve, or Leeds, or Newcastle. He did ok for Juve, but was never prolific. I think he scored 90ish goals in something like 300 appearances. Not bad, but not world class. He failed at Leeds and Newcastle. Rushies a Liverpool legend, but no way was he "world class". Molby was a big fat dane who could barely run the length of the pitch. His vision and creativity and freekicks were world class, but was he a world class player? I think not.

by **Kerry07** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:38 pm

if Ian Rush played like Andy Carroll he would not have played first team football for Liverpool.

Ian Rush scored four at a Woodison derby as a 20 year old, Andy Carroll took 8 months to score 4.

by **RedAnt** » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:41 pm

Kerry07 wrote:if Ian Rush played like Andy Carroll he would not have played first team football for Liverpool.

Ian Rush scored four at Woodison in one afternoon as a 20 year old, Andy Carroll took 8 months to score 4.

Sorry, edited my previous post. Trying to point out the difference between "world class" and "legend". Great players don't make great teams and great teams don't nessercarily (however that's spelled) make great players. There's much more to it than that.

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