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by **dundreamin** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:59 pm

The seige mentality has worked for whisky nose for years now,like it or not he has perfected the art, but still HATE the t.wat

by **RedAnt** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:06 am

I don't want Kenny to go. I need to make that point first and foremost...

However...

If Kenny was to go, I don't think it means that the next manager would only have 6 months, or a year, a season, whatever. They may just think "Oh, we made a mistake" and replace Kenny with a manager who will get the 'Five year plan'. I strongly suspect when they gave Kenny the permanent role, they had this season, Possibly next in mind. I doubt they had 5 years in mind when they offered him ..what...2 and a half years? I think the owners were caught up in Kenny Fever (just as we all were) and gave him the job permanent. I can't help but wonder...if he was still on a temp contract today, would the owners still offer him the permanent position? I'm not so sure.

I still believe in Kenny, but I can also understand arguments against him.

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:36 am

crazyhorse wrote:Sometimes the stupidity of some people here takes my breath away. For a few missed chances we would be in the top four now, and if a few more goals had gone in that really would have reflected our play we would still be in the title race.

The aim of a manager is to win games. To do this you need to score goals and not let many in. We don't let many in, and at the moment we do not score enough. However we are creating a lot of chances and should ally have scored the goals to have us closer to the top. So in a way Jenny is doing is job, the team is creating chances useing his tactics and it's only a matter of time before the goals follow.

Those saying he should be sacked if we fall short of the cl places need to have a long think, and maybe go and study the history of this club a little more closely as quite frankly they know naff all!

Agreed, except the bit about ally and Jenny

by **RedAnt** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:38 am

LFC2007 wrote:
crazyhorse wrote:Sometimes the stupidity of some people here takes my breath away. For a few missed chances we would be in the top four now, and if a few more goals had gone in that really would have reflected our play we would still be in the title race.

The aim of a manager is to win games. To do this you need to score goals and not let many in. We don't let many in, and at the moment we do not score enough. However we are creating a lot of chances and should ally have scored the goals to have us closer to the top. So in a way Jenny is doing is job, the team is creating chances useing his tactics and it's only a matter of time before the goals follow.

Those saying he should be sacked if we fall short of the cl places need to have a long think, and maybe go and study the history of this club a little more closely as quite frankly they know naff all!

Agreed, except the bit about ally and Jenny

Jenny's the tea lady. It's what it all comes down to at the end of the day. The quality of tea. It's alright though. We signed a load of Tetley for next year and are shipping the Asda's Own out.

by **stmichael** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:39 am

7_Kewell wrote:i don't rate the league cup...never have and the fact the other finalist is in the Championship says it all.

don't bother celebrating if we win it then.

this attitude really p#sses me off, especially when we've won sod all for six years.

by **stmichael** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:47 am

7_Kewell wrote:Again, please tell me why Newcastle are doing well when they've not spent anywhere near the money you suggest is necessary?

They've overachieved and been extremely fortunate with injuries. They played the same back four for the first twelve games (non of whom would get anywhere near our side) until Taylor got injury. We'll see if they can maintain it now that Ba and Tiote are away. Ba has carried the team with his goals and has been a revelation. Cabaye is a great player but should have been sent off against us and got away with it.

by **Reg** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:07 am

stmichael wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:i don't rate the league cup...never have and the fact the other finalist is in the Championship says it all.

don't bother celebrating if we win it then.

this attitude really p#sses me off, especially when we've won sod all for six years.

Agree 100%, both the UEFA cup and league cup are as important as any other. I want our lads to have the frame of mind to win everything.

by **7_Kewell** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:13 am

stmichael wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:i don't rate the league cup...never have and the fact the other finalist is in the Championship says it all.

don't bother celebrating if we win it then.

this attitude really p#sses me off, especially when we've won sod all for six years.

i wouldn't go that far, but i'm not going to pretend that it's a great achievement or represents a huge a step forward. Afterall, the team that won it last season was one of the worst in the league and got relegated.

by **RedAnt** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:21 am

7_Kewell wrote:
stmichael wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:i don't rate the league cup...never have and the fact the other finalist is in the Championship says it all.

don't bother celebrating if we win it then.

this attitude really p#sses me off, especially when we've won sod all for six years.

i wouldn't go that far, but i'm not going to pretend that it's a great achievement or represents a huge a step forward. Afterall, the team that won it last season was one of the worst in the league and got relegated.

Sure the League Cup and the Euro Trophy (or whatever it's called these days) aren't the top prizes. But the day we start...ummmm....poo-pooing Silverware is the day we...

Actually, forget that. If we could poo-poo silverware, we'd be sorted.

Really though, a trophy's a trophy isn't it? If we knock Man City out, i'm sure we'll hear "Meh...Micky Mouse Cup" from the mancs. That's b*llocks. They will want it as much as we do. Kenny's old school and so am I. I have lots and lots of fond memories of the League Cup and I wanna win it! Bring on the Mancs!!!

The UEFA Cup was weakened I guess by the fact that the top 4 teams enter into the CL now, which technically weakens the Champions League since there's only one champion from each nation in it and three runners-up. But the UEFA Cup has a long, colourful history. It wasn't always the CL's retarded cousin, and I think it's the attitude of those that claim it means nothing that taints its history and worth.

by **Benny The Noon** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:29 am

I'm still waiting for 7_Kewell to answer this

You state that ( demand ) that Kenny should go if he doesn't get 4th .

So if that is the case " what happens if the new manager also doesn't get 4th " - another sacking going by your previous demands ?

I think I won't get an answer because it shows a massive hole in his opinion , unless he really would sack manager after manager , season after season because they don't get 4th.

by **Raoul** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:57 am

stmichael wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:i don't rate the league cup...never have and the fact the other finalist is in the Championship says it all.

don't bother celebrating if we win it then.

this attitude really p#sses me off, especially when we've won sod all for six years.

The beauty of all cup competitions in most leagues in the world is that sometimes little teams beat the big teams. Every cup competition by definition (including the FA Cup and CL) gives hope to the unlikelest winner. It is part of the romance of football.

The moment any club, or supporters of a club, decry a cup competition simply because teams from lower leagues are in the final, or because it is a less-important competition, is the moment that that club, or those supporters, turn from football fans into something anti-football.

by **Kerry07** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:03 am

Few obvious mistakes Benny keeps making

#1.Comparing us now to where we were a year ago is a ludicrous comparison. We had the worst manager (arguably in our history) who was there under false pretences due to the club being in the process of being sold, and had the worst start in over 80 years. The Hodgson 6 months wasn't legitimate, he was never our manager, and where we were a year ago should never be used as a baramoter of "how far we've come". No-one but Statler and Waldorf wanted him here, the players hadn't a clue who he was nor could understand his methods, and the fans couldn't stand him. As far as im concerned we had Houllier, then Rafa, and now Kenny.. with a stand in inbetween Rafa and Kenny. The accurate comparison would be to go back prior to the Hodgson farce (May 2010) where we were finished 7th.. which is where we are sat right now. We have spent a fortune, filled our squad up with expensive average players, and are no further forward. The accurate assessment in terms of comparing Kenny is his 5 months this season to his 5 months last season. We are averaging less points, averaging less attempts, averaging less goals.

#2.Man City is one of four clubs.. they are not the barometer for CL qualification.

Alan Pardew took over at the same time as Kenny, has had zero net spend, and sit above us in the league.

by **Kerry07** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:18 am

Btw im happy with Kenny, just refuting Benny's claims.

by **Kharhaz** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:30 am

RedAnt wrote:The UEFA Cup was weakened I guess by the fact that the top 4 teams enter into the CL now

That and the fact the Cup Winners Cup was scrapped and so all the other teams entered into the Euro League, which is a farce in itself. Too many games are played, and the fact that teams who fail in the champions league can drop into the Euro League have made this competition one big joke. It used to have some sort of respect, but money has changed it immensely.

by **Octsky** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:32 am

stmichael wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:i don't rate the league cup...never have and the fact the other finalist is in the Championship says it all.

don't bother celebrating if we win it then.

this attitude really p#sses me off, especially when we've won sod all for six years.

Bro, when we were invincible in the 70's and 80's and were winning everything in sight including the league cup (called the milk cup at that time). i think we have the most league cup wins.

i dont see our superstar players feeling less proud winning the league cup, as a win is a win. and i want us to win the league cup, it will be a great morale booster for the fans and players.

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