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[Benny The Noon]

Few obvious mistakes Benny keeps making

#1.Comparing us now to where we were a year ago is a ludicrous comparison. We had the worst manager (arguably in our history) who was there under false pretences due to the club being in the process of being sold, and had the worst start in over 80 years. The Hodgson 6 months wasn't legitimate, he was never our manager, and where we were a year ago should never be used as a baramoter of "how far we've come". No-one but Statler and Waldorf wanted him here, the players hadn't a clue who he was nor could understand his methods, and the fans couldn't stand him. As far as im concerned we had Houllier, then Rafa, and now Kenny.. with a stand in inbetween Rafa and Kenny. The accurate comparison would be to go back prior to the Hodgson farce (May 2010) where we were finished 7th.. which is where we are sat right now. We have spent a fortune, filled our squad up with expensive average players, and are no further forward. The accurate assessment in terms of comparing Kenny is his 5 months this season to his 5 months last season. We are averaging less points, averaging less attempts, averaging less goals.

#2.Man City is one of four clubs.. they are not the barometer for CL qualification.

Alan Pardew took over at the same time as Kenny, has had zero net spend, and sit above us in the league.

You cant just ignore a manager at the club

The situation Kenny arrived at the club is the starting from when he should be judged - you can just take away what happened with Hodgson because it doesnt suit your argument.

You cant pick and choose when you judge him from - it should be the whole period

From Jan 2011 to Jan 2012 - that is his period . And when you look at that picture then Kenny has improved us, taken us forward and made big strides towards a great future.

[kartiek]

Few obvious mistakes Benny keeps making

#1.Comparing us now to where we were a year ago is a ludicrous comparison. We had the worst manager (arguably in our history) who was there under false pretences due to the club being in the process of being sold, and had the worst start in over 80 years. The Hodgson 6 months wasn't legitimate, he was never our manager, and where we were a year ago should never be used as a baramoter of "how far we've come". No-one but Statler and Waldorf wanted him here, the players hadn't a clue who he was nor could understand his methods, and the fans couldn't stand him. As far as im concerned we had Houllier, then Rafa, and now Kenny.. with a stand in inbetween Rafa and Kenny. The accurate comparison would be to go back prior to the Hodgson farce (May 2010) where we were finished 7th.. which is where we are sat right now. We have spent a fortune, filled our squad up with expensive average players, and are no further forward. The accurate assessment in terms of comparing Kenny is his 5 months this season to his 5 months last season. We are averaging less points, averaging less attempts, averaging less goals.

#2.Man City is one of four clubs.. they are not the barometer for CL qualification.

Alan Pardew took over at the same time as Kenny, has had zero net spend, and sit above us in the league.

Agree 100% with this. I don't think we've done an incredible job and I don't think many people can argue that Downing and Carroll have worked splendors.

I'm a bit disappointed really, maybe it's playing Downing out of position, maybe it's that Carroll's not getting good balls in, but both just don't seem to have things going for them for some reason or the other.

I feel like we were playing so much better when Suarez, Maxi, and Bellamy were starting and in general we were creating a lot of chances if not finishing them off. Recently, we haven't been creating literally anything! I really really hope that whatever it is, we sort it out and get on with it.

Another quick thing I was wondering is whether players like Sterling or Adorjan or Morgan or Eccleston can be given a shot. Can Sterling really do much worse than Downing at the moment? I also think we should get in Shelvey into the mix because I really think he seems to have that extra spark of creativity about him.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

Few obvious mistakes Benny keeps making

#1.Comparing us now to where we were a year ago is a ludicrous comparison. We had the worst manager (arguably in our history) who was there under false pretences due to the club being in the process of being sold, and had the worst start in over 80 years. The Hodgson 6 months wasn't legitimate, he was never our manager, and where we were a year ago should never be used as a baramoter of "how far we've come". No-one but Statler and Waldorf wanted him here, the players hadn't a clue who he was nor could understand his methods, and the fans couldn't stand him. As far as im concerned we had Houllier, then Rafa, and now Kenny.. with a stand in inbetween Rafa and Kenny. The accurate comparison would be to go back prior to the Hodgson farce (May 2010) where we were finished 7th.. which is where we are sat right now. We have spent a fortune, filled our squad up with expensive average players, and are no further forward. The accurate assessment in terms of comparing Kenny is his 5 months this season to his 5 months last season. We are averaging less points, averaging less attempts, averaging less goals.

#2.Man City is one of four clubs.. they are not the barometer for CL qualification.

Alan Pardew took over at the same time as Kenny, has had zero net spend, and sit above us in the league.

LOL What an idiot!!!



Lets just wipe away some of our history to make your augument fit! 

Seriously, you need to go and support City or Barca

[jacdaniel]

Im gonna attempt to answer the "How come Newcastle are doing so well argument".   

There is always a small club that has a very good season, perhaps 2 good seasons where everything goes right for them.  They sign some decent players and maybe get lucky with injuries etc.  For awhile it was Everton, then Villa had a decent season or 2, then Fulham obviously got to the EL final.  It happens.  This year appears to be Newcastle's year.

These clubs have little to no expectations and don't have to play with any pressure.  Their fans generally aren't expecting or demanding CL footie.  The most likely conclusion is that Newcastle will fall away as the season continues and their better players will join more ambitious clubs.

[RedAnt]

Im gonna attempt to answer the "How come Newcastle are doing so well argument".   

There is always a small club that has a very good season, perhaps 2 good seasons where everything goes right for them.  They sign some decent players and maybe get lucky with injuries etc.  For awhile it was Everton, then Villa had a decent season or 2, then Fulham obviously got to the EL final.  It happens.  This year appears to be Newcastle's year.

These clubs have little to no expectations and don't have to play with any pressure.  Their fans generally aren't expecting or demanding CL footie.  The most likely conclusion is that Newcastle will fall away as the season continues and their better players will join more ambitious clubs.

Newcastle United a small club? They've not been massively successful I know. But the size of a club is generally judged by their attendances and in that regard Newcastle are about on par with us. And Sunderland too. I understand your point, but Newcastle aren't small.

The reason they're doing well is probably morale, which as some have stated on here lifts the crowd and in turn lifts the players and with the huge crowds the Toon draw, that's a whole lot of noise, passion and support.

Not really your point I know, but as a northerner, I feel the need to point that out

[RedAnt]

Just checked the attendances stats...

1 Manchester United 75,451
2 Arsenal 59,960
3 Newcastle United 48,956
4 Manchester City 47,012
5 Liverpool 44,842
6 Chelsea 41,638

[Benny The Noon]

Im gonna attempt to answer the "How come Newcastle are doing so well argument".   

There is always a small club that has a very good season, perhaps 2 good seasons where everything goes right for them.  They sign some decent players and maybe get lucky with injuries etc.  For awhile it was Everton, then Villa had a decent season or 2, then Fulham obviously got to the EL final.  It happens.  This year appears to be Newcastle's year.

These clubs have little to no expectations and don't have to play with any pressure.  Their fans generally aren't expecting or demanding CL footie.  The most likely conclusion is that Newcastle will fall away as the season continues and their better players will join more ambitious clubs.

Newcastle United a small club? They've not been massively successful I know. But the size of a club is generally judged by their attendances and in that regard Newcastle are about on par with us. And Sunderland too. I understand your point, but Newcastle aren't small.

The reason they're doing well is probably morale, which as some have stated on here lifts the crowd and in turn lifts the players and with the huge crowds the Toon draw, that's a whole lot of noise, passion and support.

Not really your point I know, but as a northerner, I feel the need to point that out

The size of the club isnt just about attendances is about the whole package including history

Newcastle are not a small club but they are also not a big club

[RedAnt]

Im gonna attempt to answer the "How come Newcastle are doing so well argument".   

There is always a small club that has a very good season, perhaps 2 good seasons where everything goes right for them.  They sign some decent players and maybe get lucky with injuries etc.  For awhile it was Everton, then Villa had a decent season or 2, then Fulham obviously got to the EL final.  It happens.  This year appears to be Newcastle's year.

These clubs have little to no expectations and don't have to play with any pressure.  Their fans generally aren't expecting or demanding CL footie.  The most likely conclusion is that Newcastle will fall away as the season continues and their better players will join more ambitious clubs.

Newcastle United a small club? They've not been massively successful I know. But the size of a club is generally judged by their attendances and in that regard Newcastle are about on par with us. And Sunderland too. I understand your point, but Newcastle aren't small.

The reason they're doing well is probably morale, which as some have stated on here lifts the crowd and in turn lifts the players and with the huge crowds the Toon draw, that's a whole lot of noise, passion and support.

Not really your point I know, but as a northerner, I feel the need to point that out

The size of the club isnt just about attendances is about the whole package including history

Newcastle are not a small club but they are also not a big club

That's what I said. They're not a small club 

I'd argue they're much bigger than many seem to give them credit for though. Consistantly the third highest attendances in top flight english football. They've stood the test of time. They have quite a history though they've never had great success. You try telling 45000 geordies they're not a big club.

[Benny The Noon]

Im gonna attempt to answer the "How come Newcastle are doing so well argument".   

There is always a small club that has a very good season, perhaps 2 good seasons where everything goes right for them.  They sign some decent players and maybe get lucky with injuries etc.  For awhile it was Everton, then Villa had a decent season or 2, then Fulham obviously got to the EL final.  It happens.  This year appears to be Newcastle's year.

These clubs have little to no expectations and don't have to play with any pressure.  Their fans generally aren't expecting or demanding CL footie.  The most likely conclusion is that Newcastle will fall away as the season continues and their better players will join more ambitious clubs.

Newcastle United a small club? They've not been massively successful I know. But the size of a club is generally judged by their attendances and in that regard Newcastle are about on par with us. And Sunderland too. I understand your point, but Newcastle aren't small.

The reason they're doing well is probably morale, which as some have stated on here lifts the crowd and in turn lifts the players and with the huge crowds the Toon draw, that's a whole lot of noise, passion and support.

Not really your point I know, but as a northerner, I feel the need to point that out

The size of the club isnt just about attendances is about the whole package including history

Newcastle are not a small club but they are also not a big club

That's what I said. They're not a small club 

Its funny telling them they are though

[RedAnt]

Im gonna attempt to answer the "How come Newcastle are doing so well argument".   

There is always a small club that has a very good season, perhaps 2 good seasons where everything goes right for them.  They sign some decent players and maybe get lucky with injuries etc.  For awhile it was Everton, then Villa had a decent season or 2, then Fulham obviously got to the EL final.  It happens.  This year appears to be Newcastle's year.

These clubs have little to no expectations and don't have to play with any pressure.  Their fans generally aren't expecting or demanding CL footie.  The most likely conclusion is that Newcastle will fall away as the season continues and their better players will join more ambitious clubs.

Newcastle United a small club? They've not been massively successful I know. But the size of a club is generally judged by their attendances and in that regard Newcastle are about on par with us. And Sunderland too. I understand your point, but Newcastle aren't small.

The reason they're doing well is probably morale, which as some have stated on here lifts the crowd and in turn lifts the players and with the huge crowds the Toon draw, that's a whole lot of noise, passion and support.

Not really your point I know, but as a northerner, I feel the need to point that out

The size of the club isnt just about attendances is about the whole package including history

Newcastle are not a small club but they are also not a big club

That's what I said. They're not a small club 

Its funny telling them they are though

Just be out of range of a broon ale bottle. 

[devaney]

Few obvious mistakes Benny keeps making

#1.Comparing us now to where we were a year ago is a ludicrous comparison. We had the worst manager (arguably in our history) who was there under false pretences due to the club being in the process of being sold, and had the worst start in over 80 years. The Hodgson 6 months wasn't legitimate, he was never our manager, and where we were a year ago should never be used as a baramoter of "how far we've come". No-one but Statler and Waldorf wanted him here, the players hadn't a clue who he was nor could understand his methods, and the fans couldn't stand him. As far as im concerned we had Houllier, then Rafa, and now Kenny.. with a stand in inbetween Rafa and Kenny. The accurate comparison would be to go back prior to the Hodgson farce (May 2010) where we were finished 7th.. which is where we are sat right now. We have spent a fortune, filled our squad up with expensive average players, and are no further forward. The accurate assessment in terms of comparing Kenny is his 5 months this season to his 5 months last season. We are averaging less points, averaging less attempts, averaging less goals.

#2.Man City is one of four clubs.. they are not the barometer for CL qualification.

Alan Pardew took over at the same time as Kenny, has had zero net spend, and sit above us in the league.

LOL What an idiot!!!



Lets just wipe away some of our history to make your augument fit! 

Seriously, you need to go and support City or Barca

Kerry you are a moronic,dull,repetitive,boring,moaning excuse of a supporter! What a clown you come accross as! You actually claimed recently that you were 100% behind Kenny and now you come out with your latest diatribe of criticism aimed at Kenny. Show some respect and as you only started supporting Liverpool in 1991 ffs buy some old videos featuring Kenny and also take a look at his managerial record.Have you any idea just what Kenny did for LFC.

City have spent a fortune! Kenny's net spend is well under £40m which is certainly no fortune. Half a season and you have dismissed nearly everything he has done apart from Suarez! You're just a WUM !!!

As I have said before,1991 was a bad year when the likes of you starting supporting the club.

[RedAnt]

Your just a WUM !!!

What's a WUM?

[Benny The Noon]

Your just a WUM !!!

What's a WUM?

Wind Up Merchant

[RedAnt]

Ta.

[Kerry07]

To use extreme cases (Man City - just one of four clubs in CL, Hodgson - worst post war manager) as a baramoter is wholly flawed.

Any half decent manager taking over the worst performing Liverpool team in 80 years couldn't fail to do better. The team Kenny inherited was the same one that finished 7th under Rafa (infact it had been improved with Mereiles).. thats the barometer. To use Hodgson as a comparison is desperation, and a terrible indictment on Kenny for those that do. Dalglish is a lot better than to be compared to him.