Liverpool FC Forum

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:23 pm

Anyone who is even suggesting that we get rid of KK after 1 year needs a good hiding and should fu'ck off and support the other twisted bitter pr'icks from across the park

by **ethanr** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:25 pm

I don't want to end up like other clubs near the top... Look at chelsea and city fans. Look at spurs fans. Look at man u fans. Now look at Liverpool fans.

We are a class above the rest because of the traditions we have at our club, and because we have people like Kenny Dalglish leading our club. I'd much rather be a club who finishes 5th or 6th every season, but keeps our same traditions and respect then turn into one of those clubs. I don't like us spending so much money, and not because the players are good or bad. I don't want us to win anything because we bought it like chelsea and city have done. I don't want all these new bandwagon fans that disrespect the traditions of our club and don't understand where we come from and why we are who we are... They just demand results, and that's why there's so much more pressure at city and chelsea now. All their fans (and owners) just demand results and they don't care what they have to do to get them.

by **devaney** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:51 pm

Kerry07 wrote:
Homebooby wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:The rose tinted, kenny can do no wrong, clan cannot give an accurate assessment on his reign. Had i lived through his era i may have been afflicted by this too.

As a matter of interest, when did you become a liverpool fan and what was it that attracted you to the club in the first place?

I am genuinely not trying to pick a fight, but you seem to highlight that you are someone who picked up on the club after its' golden era. Am curious how this experience today differs from then.

Thanks in advance

1991.. oddly enough in Kenny's last game (4-4)

Not blinded by someones status for one. Kenny is beyond reproach for many. What Kenny Dalglish did 25 years ago shouldn't enter your head when making an assessment about him in 2012. I read a comment after the Stoke game... "sorry guys and i know its Kenny, but he got that wrong today", sums up the bias. "I KNOW ITS KENNY".. as though any critique has to be justfied.

I should state, i am 100% behind Kenny. Not once have i questioned his position, merely the 70 million outlay on poor british signings. The main annoyance comes from his underachieving this season. Where we were at Fulham last season, we should have maintained. It was like the red arrows that night, wave after wave of attack, great interplay.. Suarez, Meireles, Maxi (add Gerrard, Bellamy, and a genuine world class 35m striker to that).. and suddenly you are looking at a very potent line up. When you stick a slow foward with poor control, Carroll, much of that play goes out the window, as happened this season at Fulham.

Your not 100% behind the owners,the manager or the players. You are one very long list of moronic whinging and moaning statement.Your list includes Torres,Owen,Kuyt, Carroll, Henderson, Adam, Downing and now Dalglish. Before Lucas's legendary improvement you would have shown him the door.Criticism is one thing.Abject negativity is another.It just get's really boring. IF THAT'S GIVING 100% SUPPORT THEN YOU ARE COMPLETELY DELUDED!

Just over twelve months ago LFC was in complete disarray and had visited the relegation zone for the first time for very many years. The owners and manager had turned us into a laughing stock both on and off the field. Several players were demonstrably disgruntled. Torres voted with his feet. Some idiots regard him as a judas.He possibly gave LFC the best years of his life and was clearly fed up like the supporters with all of the false G & H promises that never materialised. I actually can forgive him very easily for what he did. Perhaps he wasn't convinced by Kenny's vision of the future.Let's face it you certainly give give Kenny's transfer dealings and tactics endless criticism!

Seven draws at home and with just a bit more luck we could have very easily have won four of those games.That would have put us five points behind United and City. Try just for once looking at the positive if you are 100% behind Kenny and show him the respect he has earned. His player and managerial record is incredible and to read some of the rubbish that is being written is farcical.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:53 pm

Kerry07 wrote:
Homebooby wrote:
Kerry07 wrote:The rose tinted, kenny can do no wrong, clan cannot give an accurate assessment on his reign. Had i lived through his era i may have been afflicted by this too.

As a matter of interest, when did you become a liverpool fan and what was it that attracted you to the club in the first place?

I am genuinely not trying to pick a fight, but you seem to highlight that you are someone who picked up on the club after its' golden era. Am curious how this experience today differs from then.

Thanks in advance

1991.. oddly enough in Kenny's last game (4-4)

Not blinded by someones status for one. Kenny is beyond reproach for many. What Kenny Dalglish did 25 years ago shouldn't enter your head when making an assessment about him in 2012. I read a comment after the Stoke game... "sorry guys and i know its Kenny, but he got that wrong today", sums up the bias. "I KNOW ITS KENNY".. as though any critique has to be justfied.

I should state, i am 100% behind Kenny. Not once have i questioned his position, merely the 70 million outlay on poor british signings. The main annoyance comes from his underachieving this season. Where we were at Fulham last season, we should have maintained. It was like the red arrows that night, wave after wave of attack, great interplay.. Suarez, Meireles, Maxi (add Gerrard, Bellamy, and a genuine world class 35m striker to that).. and suddenly you are looking at a very potent line up. When you stick a slow foward with poor control, Carroll, much of that play goes out the window, as happened this season at Fulham.

by **kartiek** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:01 pm

ethanr wrote:I don't want to end up like other clubs near the top... Look at chelsea and city fans. Look at spurs fans. Look at man u fans. Now look at Liverpool fans.

We are a class above the rest because of the traditions we have at our club, and because we have people like Kenny Dalglish leading our club. I'd much rather be a club who finishes 5th or 6th every season, but keeps our same traditions and respect then turn into one of those clubs. I don't like us spending so much money, and not because the players are good or bad. I don't want us to win anything because we bought it like chelsea and city have done. I don't want all these new bandwagon fans that disrespect the traditions of our club and don't understand where we come from and why we are who we are... They just demand results, and that's why there's so much more pressure at city and chelsea now. All their fans (and owners) just demand results and they don't care what they have to do to get them.

I agree with you at some level ethanr. But an important tradition of lfc is also success. I can do without success if it were to come at the cost of sacrificing our principles. I'm not happy in spending massive amounts of money on players either. It actually disgusts me that recently our only approach to bringing in lfc standard players has been to simply poach the best players in the premier league at huge sums from teams below us in the financial pecking order.

But if not success, I do demand that we stick to a philosophy of playing football the proper and elegant way, and we nurture young talent and take risks on that front.

by **stmichael** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:02 pm

i couldn't believe the other day some were asking what would have happened if hodgson was given the sort of money that kenny had been given. well for one we wouldn't have suarez upfront. instead we'd have had carlton cole :laugh:

oh yeah and if hodgson had stayed and been backed lucas and agger both would have been sold. agger couldn't even get in the team under uncle roy which was laughable.

by **worcester_red** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:14 pm

Roger Red Hat wrote:Suarez rubbishes that argument too St.mick

there seems to be a few 'get rid of Kenny now' shouters on here but Kenny brings a stability to the whole club. The team may be in and out of form, up and down on performance levels but the club as a whole, the whole package, is by far more stable than it has been for 20 years.

that is worth a lot, a real lot. there must be loads of teams who would give anything for club stability.

Leave off Kenny, he's doing what he can and what he believes is right.

So did you agree with his formation and tactics against Stoke and I'm sorry but whoever is in charge of offense at LFC needs the boot because the positioning of the players in the final third is terrible.

I don't necessarily want Kenny sacked but at the moment he is not impressing me very much and if he does not sign a striker who can hit the ground running then I don't think we'll get 4th and if we don't do that then I think questions need to be asked about him and I assume they will be by the owners.

by **7_Kewell** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:15 pm

stmichael wrote:i couldn't believe the other day some were asking what would have happened if hodgson was given the sort of money that kenny had been given. well for one we wouldn't have suarez upfront. instead we'd have had carlton cole

he's pele compared to the 35 million we've blown on Carroll, who's on par with Voronin.....and 20 million on Downing who's a poor man's Babel....

There's nothing wrong with questioning the club's leadership, and while some want to pretend it's 1989, others are happy to question the grade A f*ck ups our management have passed under their watch. Personally, i'm staggered at the mess our squad is in and the lack of direction.

8 defenders in a squad against Stoke? yeah, no problem...letting the entire squad (and manager) wear Suarez t-shirts after our player is accused of being a racist? sure...why not.

:no

I dont want kenny sacked, but i want accountablility and direction shown by him. Not smart quips to the press and looks of dispair on the sidelines

by **LFC2007** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:09 pm

This place is embarrassing at times. We hit a bump in the road and all kinds of spurious and outlandish statements are made about how we're transforming into a "sh!t" Newcastle side -- sides that, unlike the current LFC side, never had any hope of finishing in the top four -- how people "in charge of offense" need to be sacked because of the team's tactics against Stoke (who would this be, I wonder?), and how the manager's leadership skills are in question given some of his signings and tactics, despite this not really being a question of leadership at all, interspersed as if to re-inforce the point with comments about the manager's handling of the Suarez affair. Some of the people who make these arguments would make worthy tabloid hacks...

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:20 pm

I've actually started visiting other sites as the negativity on here is unbelievable.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:24 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
stmichael wrote:i couldn't believe the other day some were asking what would have happened if hodgson was given the sort of money that kenny had been given. well for one we wouldn't have suarez upfront. instead we'd have had carlton cole

he's pele compared to the 35 million we've blown on Carroll, who's on par with Voronin.....and 20 million on Downing who's a poor man's Babel....

There's nothing wrong with questioning the club's leadership, and while some want to pretend it's 1989, others are happy to question the grade A f*ck ups our management have passed under their watch. Personally, i'm staggered at the mess our squad is in and the lack of direction.

8 defenders in a squad against Stoke? yeah, no problem...letting the entire squad (and manager) wear Suarez t-shirts after our player is accused of being a racist? sure...why not.

I dont want kenny sacked, but i want accountablility and direction shown by him. Not smart quips to the press and looks of dispair on the sidelines

How the hell have we managed to be so high up the table and be challenging for a CL spot and one game away from a final when our club and team is so poor as you suggest !!!

by **Kerry07** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:10 pm

kartiek wrote:
ethanr wrote:I don't want to end up like other clubs near the top... Look at chelsea and city fans. Look at spurs fans. Look at man u fans. Now look at Liverpool fans.

We are a class above the rest because of the traditions we have at our club, and because we have people like Kenny Dalglish leading our club. I'd much rather be a club who finishes 5th or 6th every season, but keeps our same traditions and respect then turn into one of those clubs. I don't like us spending so much money, and not because the players are good or bad. I don't want us to win anything because we bought it like chelsea and city have done. I don't want all these new bandwagon fans that disrespect the traditions of our club and don't understand where we come from and why we are who we are... They just demand results, and that's why there's so much more pressure at city and chelsea now. All their fans (and owners) just demand results and they don't care what they have to do to get them.

I agree with you at some level ethanr. But an important tradition of lfc is also success. I can do without success if it were to come at the cost of sacrificing our principles. I'm not happy in spending massive amounts of money on players either. It actually disgusts me that recently our only approach to bringing in lfc standard players has been to simply poach the best players in the premier league at huge sums from teams below us in the financial pecking order.

But if not success, I do demand that we stick to a philosophy of playing football the proper and elegant way, and we nurture young talent and take risks on that front.

Thank Christ you both are in a minority with that outlook (at least i hope so).

Liverpool FC exists to win. The days of how we did so in the past are over. Barcelona, the best club team on the planet, had never had sponsorship on their jersey.. until this season. The sport evolves, and the reason we haven't been that successful in the last 20 years is because we havent evolved with it. We were run like the same old cornershop down the street (by clueless silver spoon David Moores), while man u (under Martin Edwards) were being run like a megastore.

The lifeblood of the club is the fans and the demand for success. If demands are lowered, mediocrity is accepted, we no longer can consider ourselves a big club. Take one look at the bitters.. they have in Kenwright, an owner who is not putting one penny into the club, and yet they barely protest (apparently protesting is considered Kopite behaviour... good). They accept mediocrity, so that is what they will get. When Barca start waving the white hankies.. they do so because they demand better. The demands of the fans are what drives the club on.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:17 pm

Demands are met.
Expectations are lowered
:;):

I bet youre very demanding with high expectations

by **Kukilon** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:22 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
stmichael wrote:i couldn't believe the other day some were asking what would have happened if hodgson was given the sort of money that kenny had been given. well for one we wouldn't have suarez upfront. instead we'd have had carlton cole

he's pele compared to the 35 million we've blown on Carroll, who's on par with Voronin.....and 20 million on Downing who's a poor man's Babel....

There's nothing wrong with questioning the club's leadership, and while some want to pretend it's 1989, others are happy to question the grade A f*ck ups our management have passed under their watch. Personally, i'm staggered at the mess our squad is in and the lack of direction.

8 defenders in a squad against Stoke? yeah, no problem...letting the entire squad (and manager) wear Suarez t-shirts after our player is accused of being a racist? sure...why not.

I dont want kenny sacked, but i want accountablility and direction shown by him. Not smart quips to the press and looks of dispair on the sidelines

How the hell have we managed to be so high up the table and be challenging for a CL spot and one game away from a final when our club and team is so poor as you suggest !!!

Because all of the other "big" teams have underperformed bar Spurs.

by **Penguins** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:30 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
stmichael wrote:i couldn't believe the other day some were asking what would have happened if hodgson was given the sort of money that kenny had been given. well for one we wouldn't have suarez upfront. instead we'd have had carlton cole

he's pele compared to the 35 million we've blown on Carroll, who's on par with Voronin.....and 20 million on Downing who's a poor man's Babel....

There's nothing wrong with questioning the club's leadership, and while some want to pretend it's 1989, others are happy to question the grade A f*ck ups our management have passed under their watch. Personally, i'm staggered at the mess our squad is in and the lack of direction.

8 defenders in a squad against Stoke? yeah, no problem...letting the entire squad (and manager) wear Suarez t-shirts after our player is accused of being a racist? sure...why not.

I dont want kenny sacked, but i want accountablility and direction shown by him. Not smart quips to the press and looks of dispair on the sidelines

How the hell have we managed to be so high up the table and be challenging for a CL spot and one game away from a final when our club and team is so poor as you suggest !!!

C'mon and smell the coffee ffs. We have had a terrible season in the league so for. We have never accepted 6th-7th or whatever midtable position we might be in and we are not going to start now, no matter what the circumstances.

What is worse is that we are 7th with the most money spent ever by a manager.

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