Liverpool FC Forum

thegreedo wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:

andy_g wrote:haysey, you're red to the core, mate. respect for that. pepe isn't. he has love the club obviously, he's stuck with us through some rough times and is still there putting in good performances week in, week out. but i think that deep down he's questioning his next career move. for today's modern footballer the feelings we have for our club, our team, our manager, our history, etc etc are pretty much alien. looking at things through the modern footballer's eyes last year, this year, and maybe next year, playing for LFC isn't the biggest stage any more and there is no absolute guarantee that it will be again in the near future. we keep on believing, of course, but as fans we're not wondering how the next 3 or 4 years will impact on our career and lifes achievements

Agree completely. I think the Torres situation knocked many of us for six.. and gave us a real dose of reality that these people are employees not fans.. they dont have the affinity for clubs as we do. "His armband says hes a red"...etc etc..that was OUR perception as fans, not his. I admit i thought he liked us more than he actually did so was pretty f**ked off as everyone else.

Even Stevie almost left us (but in the end his genuine love for the club over-rided his desire to move). Pepe has spoken of Arsenal and he is clearly missing Champions League football. Suarez will start having mumblings pretty soon too hence our need to bring in better players around him to keep him satisfied and fight for honours.

Players are beneath us when it comes to loyalty. In terms of loyalty and love for the club i have more respect for any kopite than any player who has ever worn the red jersey. Kenny is a club legend..and that club legend took great delight as manager of Newcastle when Warren Barton scored to make it 3-3 at Anfield and left us pig sick (before God headed home the winner). You often hear an ex player "playing against my old team is extra special, it would be amazing to score in that game". Have to laugh at the bitters who talk of players as being "evertonians"... yeah that Rooney is a real "evertonian" as he hammers the ball into the bitters net for the umpteenth time and then wheels off in delight.

Its a job, they are employees.. some of these employees have MORE affinity for a club than other employees, but nowhere close to what we do as fans. It especially sickened me during the stadium debate when they wheeled out former Liverpool players (Barnes and Houghton) who were FOR a shared stadium (as if what they say matters).. and talksport's Danny Kelly said "EVEN THEY ARE FOR IT SO SURELY IT MUST HAPPEN"... when its views of the fans, the people who love the club, live and breath it 24/7, that should always take precedence over the views of any current or ex employee.

We all love Pepe, he has shown more affinity for us than many other foreigners, but hes just like any other employee who wants to better themselves and their career. There is no more iconic club in England than us, none have our history or success, but that matters little to an employee who seeks his next pay day/title.

Great post, couldn't agree more. We need to stop projecting our feelings onto players and start being more realistic.
There will never be a player, especially in the modern era, who loves the club as we do.

thegreedo wrote:

Kerry07 wrote:

andy_g wrote:haysey, you're red to the core, mate. respect for that. pepe isn't. he has love the club obviously, he's stuck with us through some rough times and is still there putting in good performances week in, week out. but i think that deep down he's questioning his next career move. for today's modern footballer the feelings we have for our club, our team, our manager, our history, etc etc are pretty much alien. looking at things through the modern footballer's eyes last year, this year, and maybe next year, playing for LFC isn't the biggest stage any more and there is no absolute guarantee that it will be again in the near future. we keep on believing, of course, but as fans we're not wondering how the next 3 or 4 years will impact on our career and lifes achievements

Agree completely. I think the Torres situation knocked many of us for six.. and gave us a real dose of reality that these people are employees not fans.. they dont have the affinity for clubs as we do. "His armband says hes a red"...etc etc..that was OUR perception as fans, not his. I admit i thought he liked us more than he actually did so was pretty f**ked off as everyone else.

Even Stevie almost left us (but in the end his genuine love for the club over-rided his desire to move). Pepe has spoken of Arsenal and he is clearly missing Champions League football. Suarez will start having mumblings pretty soon too hence our need to bring in better players around him to keep him satisfied and fight for honours.

Players are beneath us when it comes to loyalty. In terms of loyalty and love for the club i have more respect for any kopite than any player who has ever worn the red jersey. Kenny is a club legend..and that club legend took great delight as manager of Newcastle when Warren Barton scored to make it 3-3 at Anfield and left us pig sick (before God headed home the winner). You often hear an ex player "playing against my old team is extra special, it would be amazing to score in that game". Have to laugh at the bitters who talk of players as being "evertonians"... yeah that Rooney is a real "evertonian" as he hammers the ball into the bitters net for the umpteenth time and then wheels off in delight.

Its a job, they are employees.. some of these employees have MORE affinity for a club than other employees, but nowhere close to what we do as fans. It especially sickened me during the stadium debate when they wheeled out former Liverpool players (Barnes and Houghton) who were FOR a shared stadium (as if what they say matters).. and talksport's Danny Kelly said "EVEN THEY ARE FOR IT SO SURELY IT MUST HAPPEN"... when its views of the fans, the people who love the club, live and breath it 24/7, that should always take precedence over the views of any current or ex employee.

We all love Pepe, he has shown more affinity for us than many other foreigners, but hes just like any other employee who wants to better themselves and their career. There is no more iconic club in England than us, none have our history or success, but that matters little to an employee who seeks his next pay day/title.

Great post, couldn't agree more. We need to stop projecting our feelings onto players and start being more realistic.
There will never be a player, especially in the modern era, who loves the club as we do.

red till i die!! wrote:reina is one of our best players and most should bear in mind that replacing a keeper is a tough task that can set a whole team back.
a lot of talk of his mistake last night and i agree he should have saved it but if i was dalglish id be sitting johnson and kuyt down and show them the replay of the goal that they caused us.

doesnt matter if you have the best keeper in the world between the sticks if your own players hand away cheap possession 20 yds out to the likes of aguero then your asking for trouble.

lakes10 wrote:

red till i die!! wrote:reina is one of our best players and most should bear in mind that replacing a keeper is a tough task that can set a whole team back.
a lot of talk of his mistake last night and i agree he should have saved it but if i was dalglish id be sitting johnson and kuyt down and show them the replay of the goal that they caused us.

doesnt matter if you have the best keeper in the world between the sticks if your own players hand away cheap possession 20 yds out to the likes of aguero then your asking for trouble.

sorry i just dont feel it from him anymore.
this season he has got away with hell of a lot of mistakes that could have cost us games and last night in (in my own view) he was at fault for two of the goals.
that put in out of the game even when we had been on top for most of it.

lakes10 wrote:

red till i die!! wrote:reina is one of our best players and most should bear in mind that replacing a keeper is a tough task that can set a whole team back.
a lot of talk of his mistake last night and i agree he should have saved it but if i was dalglish id be sitting johnson and kuyt down and show them the replay of the goal that they caused us.

doesnt matter if you have the best keeper in the world between the sticks if your own players hand away cheap possession 20 yds out to the likes of aguero then your asking for trouble.

sorry i just dont feel it from him anymore.
this season he has got away with hell of a lot of mistakes that could have cost us games and last night in (in my own view) he was at fault for two of the goals.
that put in out of the game even when we had been on top for most of it.

   

As predictable as ever, I see Lakes.  Reina out, Robert Green in.   

andy_g wrote:being a keeper is the most thankless position on the pitch. every single player will make at least one misjudgement or mistake during every match, its just that the keeper's is far more visible and critical.

Its not like he is making howlers every game ala David De Gea and Hulerio Gomes

Bad Bob wrote:

lakes10 wrote:

red till i die!! wrote:reina is one of our best players and most should bear in mind that replacing a keeper is a tough task that can set a whole team back.
a lot of talk of his mistake last night and i agree he should have saved it but if i was dalglish id be sitting johnson and kuyt down and show them the replay of the goal that they caused us.

doesnt matter if you have the best keeper in the world between the sticks if your own players hand away cheap possession 20 yds out to the likes of aguero then your asking for trouble.

sorry i just dont feel it from him anymore.
this season he has got away with hell of a lot of mistakes that could have cost us games and last night in (in my own view) he was at fault for two of the goals.
that put in out of the game even when we had been on top for most of it.

   

As predictable as ever, I see Lakes.  Reina out, Robert Green in.