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by **Redman in wales** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:58 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:City are going to be clinical - they have spent half a billion on players .

As for Spurs they were extremely lucky to win that game - Freidal kept them in it plus Fulham should of had a blatant penalty

Lets leave city out of this shall we – we know they’ve got the money to buy whoever they want – and it’s not like we’re challenging them for top spot anyway!!

We have been very poor of late. Very poor. Just to highlight this, look at our form against our rivals for 4th and tell me what’s wrong with this picture:

Arsenal 6 wins from 7 games (only loss coming against Spurs away)
Spurs 6 wins from 7 games (only draw away to stoke)
Liverpool 3 wins from 7 games (draws at home to Utd, Norwich and Swansea and hammered 4-0 at spurs)

Blame City’s money all you like, blame lucky Spurs if it makes you feel better, but all that just hides the reality that our multimillion pound assembled squad can’t beat Norwich or Swansea AT HOME!!!

That’s our doing, our problem. Got nowt to do with Spurs or City. Or money for that matter! Our strike force costs over £50 Million, what did Norwich’s defence cost?

I agree that we shouldn’t look beyond Kenny. Chopping and changing managers is wrong. I’m happy Kenny is here and he should definitely be here next season REGARDLESS of where we finish this season. I like him, but I don’t agree with some of his team selections, formations or tactics. He’s been in football a he.ll of a lot longer than me and knows a fu.ck load more than me, but just like any manager he aint perfect , he has his faults and he makes some bad decisions.

IMO we wont make top four at the moment because as Agger so aptly put it in the press we’re running around like headless chickens. We’re not playing as a team. Yes players need time to gel, learn new systems etc, but if that’s the case then why sacrifice on playing so many new players in the first 11, whilst Spearing, Kuyt, Maxi are all on the bench?

by **Penguins** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:00 pm

metalhead wrote:Rafa had 6 years, so should Kenny

c'mon. Rafa would had been out qick as **** if not for the trophies. 1st time he failed to get us to the CL he was gone.
And he did it with vermin as owners.

And he failed when he had 0£ to spend.

There is a long time left of the season so no conclusions should be drawn yet, but if we finish 6th with the resources at Kenny's disposal serious questions needs to be asked.

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:21 pm

On current form im not at all confident of a top 4 finish. Arsenal and Spurs are both in great form at the moment and I cant see either of the big 3 missing out on top 4. Even Newcastle are looking good although I expect them to slip away after Xmas.

Football is a crazy game though. If we somehow win our next 3 games against Chelsea (carling cup and PL) and City then we'll all be a lot more confident again.

Kenny should definitly remain in charge next season unless things go terribly wrong like they did for Roy.
Changing managers again and again really wont help us. That said, if the new signings dont improve by the end of the season, FSG should warn Kenny/Comolli that they won't tolerate another 100M going down the pan without results.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:56 pm

Penguins wrote:
metalhead wrote:Rafa had 6 years, so should Kenny

c'mon. Rafa would had been out qick as **** if not for the trophies. 1st time he failed to get us to the CL he was gone.
And he did it with vermin as owners.

And he failed when he had 0£ to spend.

There is a long time left of the season so no conclusions should be drawn yet, but if we finish 6th with the resources at Kenny's disposal serious questions needs to be asked.

Rafa lost the dressing room and the plot
I still believe we can realistically finish in the top four and possibly above that
We just need to click and watch us go

by **woof woof !** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:59 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:I still believe we can realistically finish in the top four and possibly above that
We just need to click and watch us go

Faith is a wonderful thing, credit to yer Thommo but right now I'm building an Ark.

I entered the season thinking top four was a cert, but after being held at home by the likes of Sunderland, Norwich and Swansea TBH I'm now wondering if we'll scratch into the top 6.

Not trying to be all doom and gloom here, just honestly for the first time in a very very long time I've lost some faith.

Worse still, I find myself questioning Kenny and Comoli's performance more than that of the "players" they've brought in.

by **neil** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:14 pm

Your not alone mate. We're certainly not a clever team are we? not quite the footballing blueprint.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:14 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:I still believe we can realistically finish in the top four and possibly above that
We just need to click and watch us go

Faith is a wonderful thing, credit to yer Thommo but right now I'm building an Ark.

I entered the season thinking top four was a cert, but after being held at home by the likes of Sunderland, Norwich and Swansea TBH I'm now wondering if we'll scratch into the top 6.

Not trying to be all doom and gloom here, just honestly for the first time in a very very long time I've lost some faith.

Worse still, I find myself questioning Kenny and Comoli's performance more than that of the "players" they've brought in.

I understand your negativity but one thing Ive learned is that the only sure thing is that there is no sure thing.
I am hoping and dreaming at the moment I admit, but weve all seen teams who have been thought to be out of sight caught and overtaken. The glorious british winter weather is on its way and IF we can capitalise, who knows?
:eyebrow

by **alwayslfc** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:18 am

Kenny is the best man to manage Liverpool at the moment. Given his outstanding past managerial records and if he still has the passion for managing Liverpool and no possibility of another nervous breakdown, FSG should let him at least complete his 3 year contract. With more than 120 million spent (though net spent is around 75 mill) on players and finishing 7th is a likely possiblity and with a great manager like KD in charge, something is extremely not right here.

I'd say, one reason is the Carroll factor. IMO, KD signed so many midfielders in the summer was because he wanted these guys to supply the passes and crosses to Andy to score BUT unfortunately it doesn't work out. Andy was a great New Utd striker but like some hardware plugins, is not compatible with Liverpool. So to solve this problem, KD can either tries to justify the price tag and buy more midfielders or hammer into the current midfielders to play the game the Carroll way OR he can opt for a cheaper alternative and bench and eventually sell A.C. and get someone else in who can do the job. I know the lad is improving but he doesn't look like nor will ever be as prolific as Rushie, Aldo or Fowler. But I'll be more than happy to eat my words if he proves me wrong.

So A.C. could be the downfall of Liverpool or worse, downfall of KD this season.

by **Octsky** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:54 am

i think fans nowadays need to chill out a bit, it been 10 plus games and we are talking
about doom and gloom.
so what if we draw a few games ?
this is Kenny first full season right ?
last season manu drew a total of 11 games and we drew 7 games for the whole season.
guess who won the league.

i am not saying we will win the league but 4 place or higher is still possible. hv some faith.

by **Redman in wales** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:47 am

Octsky wrote:i think fans nowadays need to chill out a bit, it been 10 plus games and we are talking
about doom and gloom.
so what if we draw a few games ?
this is Kenny first full season right ?
last season manu drew a total of 11 games and we drew 7 games for the whole season.
guess who won the league.

i am not saying we will win the league but 4 place or higher is still possible. hv some faith.

sorry but that's a cr@p argument. League positions are not decided by draws, they're decided on points which mainly come from wins. utd won 23 games, we won 17. So what's your point?!

we're talking doom and gloom because that's what our results have been. Not being able to beat Sunderland, Norwich or Swansea at Anfield is worrying and should be talked about.

by **Kenny Kan** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:18 am

We can still finish in 4th, there are probably many more twists and turns to come before the season is out. At this point in time though it doesn't feel as though we will get 4th. I hope so, and I genuinely believe if any man can get us there it's Kenny. His tactics and decisions have been under the spotlight recently, (and let's just clear one thing up, being critical of this and the team doesn't mean you don't support them - I'm fed up of hearing this RAWKshite bollox spouted on here by a few). I think Kenny will take stock over the internationals reflect and evaluate a bit (that's what I'd do), there's nowt wrong with his philosophy which to sum it up is 'expansive, pass and move football'. I hope him and Clarke can come up with something that shows they're adaptable and can change things. I don't know whether it's formation, personnel or both. Though in fairness I do think the personnel is a big problem and how we've been going about using them. I hope Kenny addresses this, he shouldn't be scared to change things.

It's weird because last time Kenny was in charge of this club the internet never existed and it's not nice seeing knee-jerkish behaviour sla.gging him off. It's the first time I've ever seen Kenny perhaps being subjected to a bit of verbal diarrhea by our own, at this stage it's nothing major and I suppose in this day and age you have to be prepared to hear such views on the www. But come the end of the season I think we'll be singing his praises and seeing this as a "bliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip" in Kenny's 2nd coming.

by **Reg** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:54 am

Thommo's perm wrote:I understand your negativity but one thing Ive learned is that the only sure thing is that there is no sure thing.
I am hoping and dreaming at the moment I admit, but weve all seen teams who have been thought to be out of sight caught and overtaken. The glorious british winter weather is on its way and IF we can capitalise, who knows?

Its not 'negativity', its scepticism, doubts or concerns all the end product of evaluating the games and tactics so far this season. Negativism - on this forum - implies someone giving it both barrels without justification.

I dare say a 'few' people on this foum have 'grave concerns' the current strategy isn't working, and you've got to bring Steve Clarke into the equation.

We've got to get out of this League attitude rut we've been trapped in for years or, mediocrity beckons. How can Ure winning the league for the 19th time NOT act as a boost to take us back to victory at all costs?

by **jacdaniel** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:00 am

Last January we were 12th and just 4 points above the relegation zone. We went on a run of good form and should have really finished 5th. We're doing a lot better than that this season although its very likely we'll drop even more points over the next 2 games. We just need to try and take what we can from the Chelsea and City games.

After the City game though, we really need to try go on a bit of a run over through the Xmas period. I think come January 2012 we'll have a better idea of whether 4th is realistic or not.

Of course we always have the option to spend big in January if neccesary. But will Fenway be prepared to do that if our new signings don't start improving?

by **mart** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:21 am

jacdaniel wrote:Last January we were 12th and just 4 points above the relegation zone. We went on a run of good form and should have really finished 5th. We're doing a lot better than that this season although its very likely we'll drop even more points over the next 2 games. We just need to try and take what we can from the Chelsea and City games.

After the City game though, we really need to try go on a bit of a run over through the Xmas period. I think come January 2012 we'll have a better idea of whether 4th is realistic or not.

Of course we always have the option to spend big in January if neccesary. But will Fenway be prepared to do that if our new signings don't start improving?

Last january we had gone through a terrible time for the club and had an owl as our manager. Since then the club has done a complete 180 turn. We have new owners that have spent a lot of cash and we got a club legend as our manager.

You cant compare today with the start of last season, you have to expect a lot more than that. You can instead compare our form this season to our form at the end of the last season. Have we improved as a team?

by **jacdaniel** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:03 pm

mart wrote:You cant compare today with the start of last season, you have to expect a lot more than that. You can instead compare our form this season to our form at the end of the last season. Have we improved as a team?

No.

The new players arent performing well enough at all and Kenny needs to be prepared to drop them or find a system that gets the best out of them.

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