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by **metalhead** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:22 pm

I mean what really grinds me that every time we see a photo of Roy ( whether he is laughing, smiling, singing, crying, etc...) people turn it into something bad. I want Hodgson to go, but can we cut the cr@p, be sensible and not attack Roy on anything he wears or says.

Its becoming an obsession

by **metalhead** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:27 pm

Greavesie wrote:hmmm that photo of Hodgson means nothing? so in response you post pics of Rafa with Fergie...surely you do see something in the pictures then...?

anyway...my take...pictures of Rafa and Fergie on the sidelines of a football pitch and a picture of Roy sitting with Fergie in stands are two different things, surely anybody can see that? Not that a pic of Roy and Fergie changes my opinion of Roy but there is a difference in the pictures posted

Comon mate, that is just a lame excuse, both managers (well Rafa at the time) had mutual respect or friendship for Whiskey Nose, that is all right, because in the end it is their choice. What really matters is that they get on with their job and do whats best for their respective club, who gives a :censored:

if they are best mates or they have lunch together everyday! as long as it doesn't interfere with our business, I DON'T GIVE A :censored:

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Like 7_kewell said, Shankly was best mates with Sir Matt Busby, but I don't see anyone attacking Shankly

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:28 pm

shabelle50 wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Lets face facts here ...the posters who believed the current manager would take us forward .....were irrefutably ,incontrovertibly ,entirely , comprehensively ...100 % .... WRONG ..... now that's got to hurt ? so lets allow them a chance to strike out ... whilst they dispel all that pent up frustration in a tirade against Benitez

I will just give them some space to vent ,and turn the other cheek ..... a magnanimous gesture I'm sure you will agree ?

I think thats where the anti-Roys have got it wrong
I for one never thought of Hodgson as a great manager who would bring back the glory days. A steady, experienced hand to put us on an even keel was more like it to me.
I believe under the circumstances he has done a decent job, Not good. Definitely not great. We lie in 9th and its not beyond the realms of possibility that we will finish higher than last season. All the outrage and hysteria have distracted us from what his job was supposed to be and maybe with more support from the players and the fans we would have been higher.
If he stays until the end of the season and we do finish higher than 7th, will all those against him give him credit for being better than Benitez?

If we beat Blackburn, Blackpool, Everton, Wolves and Fulham in the next few weeks and keep winning after that then Hodgson may be safe until the summer but if we only win two of those games I think he'll be gone fairly soon.

I think hes here until the summer unless we have a drastic run of losing

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:41 pm

Greavsie, you're missing the point.

If you think I posted the Rafa pictures to defend Roy you're sorely mistaken sunshine. My post was aimed at highlighting how preposterous it would be to criticise a manager for greeting a rival manager.

Using a photo to attack Hodgson is both pointless (his managerial record this season is doing enough to attract criticism) and childish (you're making a lame argument out of an innocent photo).

Focus on the football, you'll embarrass yourself less.

by **Greavesie** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:45 pm

I haven't criticised Roy anywhere for such matters, I merely pointed out if you want to find a difference you can. The relationships managers have with each other is no big deal, but you osrt of have to appreciate that Roy is going to be under quite a lot of scrutiny that's all. That's literally all I've been getting at this whole thing. I don't think photos should be used to criticise any Liverpool manager, nor their relationships with rivals.

As far as I'm concerned I need to look no further than Roy's record to get my opinion on his tenutr at LFC, admittedly some o his comments have been nothing short of ridiculous as well but in no way will I point to Rafa or any sort of picture to lay into Roy

by **neil** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:54 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:My post was aimed at highlighting how preposterous it would be to criticise a manager for greeting a rival manager.

pi55ing in the wind SCS, there are posters on here who criticised our manager for going to Llandudno, really they did.

by **metalhead** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:04 pm

Greavesie wrote:I haven't criticised Roy anywhere for such matters, I merely pointed out if you want to find a difference you can. The relationships managers have with each other is no big deal, but you osrt of have to appreciate that Roy is going to be under quite a lot of scrutiny that's all. That's literally all I've been getting at this whole thing. I don't think photos should be used to criticise any Liverpool manager, nor their relationships with rivals.

As far as I'm concerned I need to look no further than Roy's record to get my opinion on his tenutr at LFC, admittedly some o his comments have been nothing short of ridiculous as well but in no way will I point to Rafa or any sort of picture to lay into Roy

mate the hatred towards Roy and Rafa on here has become an obsession.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:05 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:stop posting pictures and b0ll0cks lad, that's all we ask.

When the manager is no longer making us suffer his ineptitude then yes I will quell my pursuit ... until then I will continue to make public his every indiscretion ...as a supposed journalist you should respect such dedication in cornering the Kill

I review cars lad, so the only cornering i do is on a test track or public road. But i am sure your ramblings on an internet forum are cornering Roy

Maybe you can explain in detail why Roy being friends with a rivals manager is such a crime? Bear in mind Shanks and Busby were close friends when posting your answer. thanks.

Greeting a rival manager ?.. ...your diluting the importance of taking in a game with a manager who is loathed by a wide spectrum of Reds fans ,you are also talking about the most despicable twat in football ,one who has yet to be knocked of that particular pedestal ...although Mourinho is pushing hard

the man is despised so although they're not exactly in the middle of a wine and cheese party and popping some party poppers ......... its still classed as rubbing the collective Roy likes to call "THOSE PEOPLE " noses in it ,
and for me that's unforgivable and I suspect making their betrothal so public will also have a profound effect on any real support he was hoping to forge ...... just a thought like ....

by **Greavesie** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:05 pm

metalhead wrote:
Greavesie wrote:I haven't criticised Roy anywhere for such matters, I merely pointed out if you want to find a difference you can. The relationships managers have with each other is no big deal, but you osrt of have to appreciate that Roy is going to be under quite a lot of scrutiny that's all. That's literally all I've been getting at this whole thing. I don't think photos should be used to criticise any Liverpool manager, nor their relationships with rivals.

As far as I'm concerned I need to look no further than Roy's record to get my opinion on his tenutr at LFC, admittedly some o his comments have been nothing short of ridiculous as well but in no way will I point to Rafa or any sort of picture to lay into Roy

mate the hatred towards Roy and Rafa on here has become an obsession.

Pretty much, you think a new manager will offer a fresh outlook?

by **metalhead** » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:09 pm

Greavesie wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Greavesie wrote:I haven't criticised Roy anywhere for such matters, I merely pointed out if you want to find a difference you can. The relationships managers have with each other is no big deal, but you osrt of have to appreciate that Roy is going to be under quite a lot of scrutiny that's all. That's literally all I've been getting at this whole thing. I don't think photos should be used to criticise any Liverpool manager, nor their relationships with rivals.

As far as I'm concerned I need to look no further than Roy's record to get my opinion on his tenutr at LFC, admittedly some o his comments have been nothing short of ridiculous as well but in no way will I point to Rafa or any sort of picture to lay into Roy

mate the hatred towards Roy and Rafa on here has become an obsession.

Pretty much, you think a new manager will offer a fresh outlook?

probably... on what he wears?

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:54 am

Jan 3 2011 By Ben Thornley Daily Post
Roy Hodgson argues for change of boss at Liverpool FC

OF all the voices who have argued for a change of management at Anfield this season one man has consistently made the most compelling case – Roy Hodgson.
There has never have been a Liverpool boss as universally disliked by supporters as the Londoner.
But it’s not just the regressive tactics, awful signings (Christian Poulsen and Paul Konchesky) and pitiful away form (six defeats in nine games with a goal difference of -10) that has turned the Kop against him.
Liverpool supporters have become accustomed to their managers being equally skilled as orators, a trend begun by the great Bill Shankly. Even the quieter men among the club’s roll call of bosses like Bob Paisley could be relied upon for cutting sound bites.
Not Hodgson. Barely a press conference goes by without the former UAE coach embarrassing himself and the club, alienating a player or enraging fans.
Here is a collection of the worst efforts of his first – and hopefully only – six months in charge:

I preferred to put my weight behind David Ngog and Ryan Babel, who's never really been given a proper chance at centre-forward at the club. I'm hoping that between now and Christmas we'll have ample quality to see us through that period.
On not buying another striker

A club like Liverpool shouldn't have to rely on non-specialists like Dirk Kuyt or Ryan Babel ‘doing a job’ up front when they are primarily wide players.
Hodgson changes his mind a month later.

They'll be a formidable challenge – there's no question about that.
On Carling Cup opponents, struggling League Two side Northampton

I thought we did quite well when (Northampton) they took the lead in the extra time and we threw caution to the wind it gave us the equaliser.
Hodgson uses the words ‘threw caution to the wind’ about playing a League Two side. At Anfield.

That was as good as we have played all season..... To get a result here – against Everton – would have been Utopia.
After the wretched loss to Everton

I know Sir Alex (Ferguson) is not really a Liverpool man so I’m a bit concerned about my excellent relationship with him.
I sincerely hope he forgives me for moving north and hopefully we can have a glass of wine together, maybe in secret.
Hodgson endears himself to Liverpool fans everywhere

I prefer to talk about the game and talk about issues that interest me. Mr Ferguson is entitled to any opinion he wants to have but I'm not going to come here and say I agree or disagree.
Hodgson refuses to defend Fernando Torres against accusations of cheating

I understand (Frank) Rijkaard has just been sacked from Galatasaray – he must be a great manager to have been sacked by Galatasaray.
'Nice guy' Roy on the Champions League and La Liga winning manager

You would have to ask (Glen Johnson) 'do you think you're playing at top form and are you playing like the best right-back in the country for your club?' If he says yes, obviously we will have to agree to differ and if he says no, then you'd have to ask the question 'why not?
Showing his man-management skills

The protest does not help but it is something I have had to live with since I came to the club.
Criticising the fans’ protest against the club’s former owners

I was disappointed – and I've told him this – that he – Dalglish – applied for the job in the summer because I don't think that was ever really going to happen for him.
Putting Liverpool legend Dalglish in his place, a man who has won more trophies than Hodgson has Premier League away games in his entire time in England

I've been involved in some big derbies in my career and you know how much they mean to the fans.... I didn't like losing in those games, which I did quite often. I did poorly so it would be nice to change that.
Hodgson shows he’s the man for the big occasion before losing 3-2 to Manchester United.

He’s a quality player and we will be working hard on our tactics to make sure he doesn’t dominate the game.
No, not Lionel Messi, rather Fulham’s Danny Murphy, who was sent packing by Liverpool six years ago.

I think it would be a sad day for football and for Liverpool if someone who had been brought in with the pomp and circumstance, and the money it took them to release me from my previous contract, and being feted as one of England's best managers – if after eight games people are deciding this guy has got to go
Showing his modest side.

Are you from Denmark? (No, Norway replied the journalist) Ah, two countries I never want to work in again.
Insulting a Norweigian journalist and a large part of Liverpool’s fan base.

We have got a lot more expensive failures on our list than good players that we have brought in for next to nothing.
Having a dig at Champions League winning former Reds boss Rafa Benitez and his transfer record

What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmstad to Malmo to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax to the Swiss national team. So I find the question insulting. To suggest that, because I have moved from one club to another, that the methods which have stood me in good stead for 35 years and made me one of the most respected coaches in Europe don’t suddenly work, is very hard to believe.
Reeling off some of the massive clubs he’s managed. Not so much a who’s who of European football as a who are they?

Today was a famous victory
No, not Liverpool’s win in Istanbul but a 1-0 triumph over Bolton at the Reebok.

There aren't many quality left-backs around in the world, never mind in England – so to find an English one ( Paul Konchesky) who can go straight into the team without any adjustment problems is a big advantage.
Hodgson, who sold Roberto Carlos to Real Madrid while manager of Inter Milan, knows a good left back when he sees one.

Christian (Poulsen) is an all-round player. He is capable of scoring goals, a good passer of the ball and a good defender.
After paying £4.5m on the 30-year-old plodder.

He's not that bad on the ball.
After seeing him play.

It is very early for me to make very strong judgements about where his best position is.
Hodgson shows the depth of his research on £11.5m signing Raul Meireles, who has played his entire career in central midfield. Until he came to Anfield.

I don't understand questions about Liverpool and Fulham players being different types
Who said Hodgson doesn’t grasp how big a club Liverpool is?

I've had several bad experiences. Even at Halmstad in the 70s, in the year we won our second championship, it took until the second half of the season to win our first game away and that broke a record going back two seasons. We went over two seasons without winning an away game.
On his wretched away form throughout his career.

Fans make their frustrations felt every time we lose, but unfortunately they may have to do that a few more times, because I can't see us going through a season winning every game.
Roy promises the good times are going to roll again after the 2-0 defeat to Stoke

I don't know where the stories came from that Gerrard would be fit for Newcastle.
From your Head of Sports Medicine Dr Peter Brukner, Roy.

It's not as if he'll be playing with a bunch of also-rans. I'm not asking him to play in the reserves.
Asking Torres to play against Utrecht while also motivating his reserves

I thought it would be a nice game for him (Torres) and a chance for him to get his confidence back. But I also had a talk to our fitness people and they made me see sense that it wasn't the wisest thing to do.
Revealing who picks the team.

I think we will cross that bridge when we come to it... I am not naive to believe there won’t be any danger and we will never lose a player like Torres, I understand these things can happen
Issuing a stern hands-off Torres warning to pal Ferguson. Well, kind of.

When it was mooted the club wanted me for the job I made it clear to Kenny I wanted him on board and it wouldn’t be like it was with Benitez where he’d be here in name only. It wouldn’t be the case that Kenny would be never be allowed to step foot into Melwood.
Having another dig at the Spaniard, a claim which was exposed as a lie by the Champions League winning manager

He's not so much a player I can really take responsibility for. I'd have to share the responsibility for Joe, less so than for people like [Christian] Poulsen, [Raul] Meireles and [Paul] Konchesky, who are players I was quite happy to bring to the club.
Washing his hands of Joe Cole a week before the former Chelsea midfielder earns Liverpool a 2-1 victory over Bolton

Ever since I came here, the famous Anfield support hasn't really been there.There was the problem with the owners and Kenny being so popular and the job going to me, so I have had to live with that. I have to hope the fans will become supporters because we need support. We are not deliberately losing games.
Roy puts the final nail in his coffin

Good article backed up solidly by quotes of the mans indiscretions against the club and its fans

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:03 am

I wonder how many Liverpool players and managers, past and present, have shaken hands with Ferguson at some point down the years? I suppose they're all c...s for showing the most basic form of courtesy? Didn't think so.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:40 am

Which suits best A or B ?
A. "I will continue to defend the indefensible "
B. "I see myself as the belt which holds Roy's dodgy trousers up "
or do the two actually state the same ?

by **mramo** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:58 am

metalhead wrote:
Like 7_kewell said, Shankly was best mates with Sir Matt Busby, but I don't see anyone attacking Shankly [quote/]

The reasons why shanks and busby were best mates were because of busbys 3 year playing association for Liverpool. Also in those days football was a "gentleman's" sport unlike now.

by **boodiddy1** » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:33 am

mramo wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Like 7_kewell said, Shankly was best mates with Sir Matt Busby, but I don't see anyone attacking Shankly [quote/]

The reasons why shanks and busby were best mates were because of busbys 3 year playing association for Liverpool. Also in those days football was a "gentleman's" sport unlike now.

Go and give your head a wobble ya prat!

This notion of not being friends off the pitch is nonesence. Rooney and Gerrard comes to mind. Even Kenny and Fergie have a respect and friendship for each other. As much as I hate Fergie for his alleigance to that mob, the guy is no ogre away from football.

This is just part of the witch hunt to rid ourselves of roy. Whilst i think he must be replace, there is no way that we should conduct ourselves like Newcastle, West Ham fans.

The owners was one thing, but this is purely football.

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