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by **neil** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:57 am

Would luv to see johnson playing a more right midfield/winger role, he would be excellent better than monkey face at spurs on the left

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:06 am

NANNY RED wrote:Sorry but once again Roy has come out and opened his mouth in public, this is very poor man management imo. he is basicaly hanging Johnson out to dry here , doesnt matter what anyone thinks of him wether they rate him or not the manager should be keeping these thoughts to himself or between him and the player, The lad is gonna be crusified in public enough in the next couple of weeks without having the managers views on him made public and all,

Its no worse than calling him a hypochondriac.

Roy has called it as it is. He has been tripe. He has not justified his selection in the team. In fact, since he signed for us, he has done nothing to justify the fee, or his wages. He has been, oh what the hell I will say it, shit.

He pops in the odd cross, or the odd goal, can anyone here say that is worth the money splashed out on him?

Roy has it spot on. He is a big signing on big wages, now its time to bloody earn them.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:04 am

well when it comes to motivation, there's something called reverse psychology but of course some people on here are just too stupid to see that.

by **Seress** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:48 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:well when it comes to motivation, there's something called reverse psychology but of course some people on here are just too stupid to see that.

That's the way to make a point and be respectful;call people stupid.

By the way,the reverse would be challenging him to play worse then he currently is.Not telling him he is :censored:

and needs to play better.That just plain psychology.

by **loopyliverpool** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:02 am

Johnson has been awful thus far this season it's a simple as that. I don't have any issue with Roy coming out and saying it cos its true. For a long time now we have been fielding substandard players or players who haven't been performing and Johnson is amongst them. I think Kelly has come in and done well enough... better than Johnson and deserves to keep his place whether Johnson is fit or not. The axing of Johnson from the starting line up might spark something in him ... who knows... but his performances are poor and he has become a liability defensively and his forward runs have been few and far between.

by **Ben Patrick** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:05 am

on what Roy has said its a bit hard to say its right or wrong at this moment in time.
He may have been praising the lad and trying to motivate him behind the scenes to no avail and this could be another approach ?
Who knows.

What i would say is lets see whether we see anything better from Glen before saying that the manager has done something wrong because if his form picks up then we will be wrong.

Not every player reacts to the same approach when out of form.

Of course if Glen plays even worse then we can blame Roy and call him all the cnts under the sun

by **Red-er-Dare** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:47 am

He's a funny one is Glen, he can play like a man possesed on occasions and then suddenly drop and look shot of confidence. His form is very much hot and cold, when he's hot he almost emulates Gerrard's 'grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck' style, but when he's cold he looks terrible.

If rumours are to be true in re to Glen heading for pastures new, Hodgson should at least give the bloke a shot at right midfield before a decision is made. It could be something we'll later rue, especially if he went somewhere new and was played at RM and looked an absolute gem there. We should be the club to find out what else Glen is all about, the lad has ability why not try to optimise that. It'll either do two things a) it will work out, or b) it won't and they'd hardly be any real loss if it doesn't work out. Meireles isn't the answer on the right that's for sure, give Glen a go there Roy!

by **Benny The Noon** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:04 am

Ben Patrick wrote:on what Roy has said its a bit hard to say its right or wrong at this moment in time.
He may have been praising the lad and trying to motivate him behind the scenes to no avail and this could be another approach ?
Who knows.

What i would say is lets see whether we see anything better from Glen before saying that the manager has done something wrong because if his form picks up then we will be wrong.

Not every player reacts to the same approach when out of form.

Of course if Glen plays even worse then we can blame Roy and call him all the cnts under the sun

I have to agree that we really cant judge until we see the results of the "slating of form " BUT the one thing im a bit miffed out is the singling out of Johnson - the lad has been injured and there have been plenty other players who have under performed - Cole,Skrtel,Carra,Konchesky,Poulsen and even Torres yet he hasnt come out and said anything about them

by **Waldo** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:06 am

120k per week...we are not getting value for money. If offered decent cash in the Jan window then I say sell

by **woof woof !** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:13 am

For me he's always looked better at attacking than defending. Thought when Kuyt got injured Hodgson might have given him a go at RM with Kelly in behind him. Would still like to see Hodgson give it a go .

by **Ciggy** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:25 am

Are Hodgson's comment correct? Absolutely.

Is he right to air them publicly? Absolutely not.

If the arm around the shoulder doesnt work, give him a kick up the @rse in the media that will teach him !!!

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:37 am

Ciggy wrote:Are Hodgson's comment correct? Absolutely.

Is he right to air them publicly? Absolutely not.

CORRECT. We know hes been sh,ite theres no denying that but he doesnt have to tell the world about it we can see it forourselves, hes gonna be dealing with a lot more over the next few weeks without his boss slating him in the papers an all

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:50 am

Seress wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:well when it comes to motivation, there's something called reverse psychology but of course some people on here are just too stupid to see that.

That's the way to make a point and be respectful;call people stupid.

By the way,the reverse would be challenging him to play worse then he currently is.Not telling him he is and needs to play better.That just plain psychology.

Johnson can react in 2 ways after seeing the comments by Roy

1) continue to play badly

2) take a look at himself at improve

it was the effect i was talking about, not the deliverance of the comments to the media you numpty.

by **Ciggy** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 11:57 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:it was the effect i was talking about, not the deliverance of the comments to the media you numpty.

Glen Johnson's played 11 times this season. He hasn't hit the heights he's capable of when he's played, but he's certainly been no worse than many others. Let's say Joe Cole just for example, who's played 13 times and, to be kind, let's just say he hasn't played to his capabilities either. Both players are injured at the moment. Yet one gets attacked while the other has recieved nothing but the comforting arm around the shoulder that is supposedly one of Roy's great strengths.

In fact, one's been supported so much he was allowed to pick his own position in the team and was told before an important knock out game that if a penalty arose, he should take it so he could get his first goal for the club and ingratiate himself to the Kop/supporters. Both these things were given to the lad despite the fact that he'd never played in the hole or taken a penalty since he was 13 years of age.

On the same day as the manager chose to publically embarass and castigate his senior right back, he also chose to defend Poulsen, a player who has, again to be kind, hardly pulled up any trees since arriving at the club. On top of that, he chose to do these things when argubaly our best player publically quelled media meddling that was promoting unrest in the squad.

Some people have chosen to defend this. I find it undefensible. It's at best, bad man management, which is supposedly one of the strengths that got the manager the job.

Add to all that the pressure it has put onto a 20 year old defender who is just beginning to establish himself in the first team squad, and it starts to look like stupidity of the highest order. Kelly is bound to suffer from injury, loss of form/confidence, fatigue, or a roasting from someone, somewhere in the season. So, alienating the country's best attacking right back, when his only real cover is a young lad starting his senior career, really isn't the greatest of ideas.

But then of all the things I think Roy is, stupid isn't one of them. So, what was his point in doing all this. I can't see anything it achieves.

Its an absolutely ridiculous decision. And nevermind the Johnson need a kick up the @rse bit. Nevermind the he might have done it in private, it didn't work malarky. We can only comment on what we see, and that is Roy attacking one of his senior players yet again, from his self confessed small squad, but this gives the media another headline about our club on a day when Pepe was doing his best to quash that sort of sh!te.

No. Sorry. There's no excusing it. . Do his appologists really expect people not to comment on this or just say, Oh that's okay because Roys spoken. Because it isn't okay. It's fuckin stupidity of the highest order.

And no good can come about of it.

From fat Scouser on RAWK.

by **Ben Patrick** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:01 pm

Ciggy wrote:In fact, one's been supported so much he was allowed to pick his own position in the team and was told before an important knock out game that if a penalty arose, he should take it so he could get his first goal for the club and ingratiate himself to the Kop/supporters. Both these things were given to the lad despite the fact that he'd never played in the hole or taken a penalty since he was 13 years of age.

is this something that is fact now as well ?

Or am i missing something ?

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