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Postby bigmick » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:49 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:But surely if it's such a glaring error then someone of Hodgsons experience and know how of the prem could see it wasn't working and didn't work previously so why continue with it ? During the man city match everyone could see we were getting swamped in the centre and everyone was screaming for a change but nothing happened - same with against brum - why was merieles sat on the bench for so long when you can see it wasn't working - you don't need all season long to see what wasn't working during the game but no changes happened to try and change it .

Exactly..

Sorry Bigmick but Woy isn't the answer. The fact that it is still being so heatedly debated just goes to show that opinions are so split on him.

I sincerley hope if we get new owners in time for next season we bring in someone else. Someone who players better posession football and has a better track record with a big club in recent times.

How would you get rid of Roy though, sack him I suppose  ???
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Postby Thommo's perm » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:51 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:But surely if it's such a glaring error then someone of Hodgsons experience and know how of the prem could see it wasn't working and didn't work previously so why continue with it ? During the man city match everyone could see we were getting swamped in the centre and everyone was screaming for a change but nothing happened - same with against brum - why was merieles sat on the bench for so long when you can see it wasn't working - you don't need all season long to see what wasn't working during the game but no changes happened to try and change it .

Exactly..

Sorry Bigmick but Woy isn't the answer. The fact that it is still being so heatedly debated just goes to show that opinions are so split on him.

I sincerley hope if we get new owners in time for next season we bring in someone else. Someone who players better posession football and has a better track record with a big club in recent times.

Of course opinions are split. Weve still got these daft tw@ts going on about how Rafa was stabbed in the back and Roy couldnt lace his boots.
Add on to this the brainwashing of the players with regards to the style of football, plus the ongoing saga with the yanks, and its clear to see we are an unsettled club. If Mourhino, or anyone else people think is a great manager, were to walk into Anfield theyd quickly see they had a mountain to climb. Most wouldnt have the balls to do the job, such is the mammoth task.
The main problem Roy has is time. He is scrutinised match to match, minute by minute. No opportunity to make mistakes. Hitting the ground running with fans expectations over-riding the practicalities of the situation.
I warn you now that this negativity will bite us on the ar'se soon enough. The irony being that at a time when we need to be most patient and supportive we have people continuously moaning and pointing out the managers deficiencies.
I will say it again ciggy, benny et al. WE GET IT
You dont like him dont think hes good enough but you want him to suceed and dont want him sacked but if someone "better" comes along give him the boot. WE GET IT.
Just think on his though. If Roy is not given time and support and he fails, the next guy, whoever he is, will have a job ten times as hard as Hodgson.
Championship football anyone...
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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:53 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:But surely if it's such a glaring error then someone of Hodgsons experience and know how of the prem could see it wasn't working and didn't work previously so why continue with it ? During the man city match everyone could see we were getting swamped in the centre and everyone was screaming for a change but nothing happened - same with against brum - why was merieles sat on the bench for so long when you can see it wasn't working - you don't need all season long to see what wasn't working during the game but no changes happened to try and change it .

Exactly..

Sorry Bigmick but Woy isn't the answer. The fact that it is still being so heatedly debated just goes to show that opinions are so split on him.

I sincerley hope if we get new owners in time for next season we bring in someone else. Someone who players better posession football and has a better track record with a big club in recent times.

Of course opinions are split. Weve still got these daft tw@ts going on about how Rafa was stabbed in the back and Roy couldnt lace his boots.
Add on to this the brainwashing of the players with regards to the style of football, plus the ongoing saga with the yanks, and its clear to see we are an unsettled club. If Mourhino, or anyone else people think is a great manager, were to walk into Anfield theyd quickly see they had a mountain to climb. Most wouldnt have the balls to do the job, such is the mammoth task.
The main problem Roy has is time. He is scrutinised match to match, minute by minute. No opportunity to make mistakes. Hitting the ground running with fans expectations over-riding the practicalities of the situation.
I warn you now that this negativity will bite us on the ar'se soon enough. The irony being that at a time when we need to be most patient and supportive we have people continuously moaning and pointing out the managers deficiencies.
I will say it again ciggy, benny et al. WE GET IT
You dont like him dont think hes good enough but you want him to suceed and dont want him sacked but if someone "better" comes along give him the boot. WE GET IT.
Just think on his though. If Roy is not given time and support and he fails, the next guy, whoever he is, will have a job ten times as hard as Hodgson.
Championship football anyone...

He is gone - get over it , move on
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Postby Thommo's perm » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:54 pm

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Thommo's perm wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:But surely if it's such a glaring error then someone of Hodgsons experience and know how of the prem could see it wasn't working and didn't work previously so why continue with it ? During the man city match everyone could see we were getting swamped in the centre and everyone was screaming for a change but nothing happened - same with against brum - why was merieles sat on the bench for so long when you can see it wasn't working - you don't need all season long to see what wasn't working during the game but no changes happened to try and change it .

Exactly..

Sorry Bigmick but Woy isn't the answer. The fact that it is still being so heatedly debated just goes to show that opinions are so split on him.

I sincerley hope if we get new owners in time for next season we bring in someone else. Someone who players better posession football and has a better track record with a big club in recent times.

Of course opinions are split. Weve still got these daft tw@ts going on about how Rafa was stabbed in the back and Roy couldnt lace his boots.
Add on to this the brainwashing of the players with regards to the style of football, plus the ongoing saga with the yanks, and its clear to see we are an unsettled club. If Mourhino, or anyone else people think is a great manager, were to walk into Anfield theyd quickly see they had a mountain to climb. Most wouldnt have the balls to do the job, such is the mammoth task.
The main problem Roy has is time. He is scrutinised match to match, minute by minute. No opportunity to make mistakes. Hitting the ground running with fans expectations over-riding the practicalities of the situation.
I warn you now that this negativity will bite us on the ar'se soon enough. The irony being that at a time when we need to be most patient and supportive we have people continuously moaning and pointing out the managers deficiencies.
I will say it again ciggy, benny et al. WE GET IT
You dont like him dont think hes good enough but you want him to suceed and dont want him sacked but if someone "better" comes along give him the boot. WE GET IT.
Just think on his though. If Roy is not given time and support and he fails, the next guy, whoever he is, will have a job ten times as hard as Hodgson.
Championship football anyone...

He is gone - get over it , move on

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Postby Benny The Noon » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:58 pm

Well stop bringing him up in every post you make then - simple

We know how you feel about previous manager - we know you are delighted he has gone - we know you celebrated when he left - WE GET IT - no need to keep bringing him up
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Postby Reg » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:01 pm

But ultimately true.... all roads lead to Rafa.

Admit it, all you lads love him really. :laugh:
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Postby Thommo's perm » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:02 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Well stop bringing him up in every post you make then - simple

We know how you feel about previous manager - we know you are delighted he has gone - we know you celebrated when he left - WE GET IT - no need to keep bringing him up

Every post?
Use of exaggeration to bolster your point methinks.
How about we make a deal? I wont mention the 'R' word if you stop being a moaning arl tart who bores us constanly with how much you dont like Roy, dont think hes good enough and how badly hes doing every chance you get?
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Postby tubby » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:05 pm

Reg wrote:But ultimately true.... all roads lead to Rafa.

Admit it, all you lads love him really. :laugh:

I'll admit it mate.  :p

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Postby 7_Kewell » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:06 pm

bigmick wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:If you vilified the previous manager for what you saw on the pitch why aren't you doing the same for current manager who is setting the players up to do the exact same thing

BNecause he's been here six weeks not six years ???. I would have thought that was absolutely obvious.

you're wasting your breath mate, they wont listen  :D
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Postby Thommo's perm » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:11 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Reg wrote:But ultimately true.... all roads lead to Rafa.

Admit it, all you lads love him really. :laugh:

I'll admit it mate.  :p

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Postby Reg » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:36 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Reg wrote:But ultimately true.... all roads lead to Rafa.

Admit it, all you lads love him really. :laugh:

I'll admit it mate.  :p

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Postby Number 9 » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:48 pm

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Postby Ciggy » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:02 am

My take on them not giving him the job is once a new owner comes in Roy will be gone, if Kenny would have been given the job he would have gone also.


Kenny Dalglish - in his own words:

Hodgson faces a battle to take Reds back to where they belong

Published 23:00 14/09/10 By Kenny Dalglish


It was right for everybody that Rafa Benitez left – for him and for Liverpool *Football Club.

There just comes a stage in every manager’s career when the board says, ‘You’ve been good for the club but we feel it would be best if you go.’

Sometimes it works the same way for a manager – ‘I’ve done my time. There’s no animosity but it’s time to have a go somewhere else.’

When it was clear Rafa was going, Christian Purslow asked me to get involved in the selection process for the next manager.

“I’ll help in any way I possibly can,” I told Christian. They drew up a list, asked me to come and meet the candidates and then let them decide who the manager should be.

In mid-June, I had to let them know my real views. I wanted the job. I couldn’t miss the opportunity.

One day, I was in a meeting with Christian and the chairman, Martin Broughton, and I formally put my name forward.

“We don’t want you, Kenny,” came the reply from Christian and the chairman. Fine. That’s their *prerogative. They explained they had different plans for me, a position with greater longevity.

“We want you for a role at the club that would be for longer than the tenure of the manager,” the board told me. The job focused on player *development. It wasn’t management, though.

Martin Broughton made that *abundantly clear. People have asked me whether I was disappointed, and of course I was. I passionately wanted the job. But I would have been more disappointed if I hadn’t put my name forward. I love Liverpool so deeply I felt almost an obligation to apply.

This was about helping Liverpool more than reviving my management career. If another club came in and asked me to be their manager, I honestly don’t know how I’d react.

Liverpool’s my home. There was no self-glory attached to my application. I did feel I had unfinished business with the job, though, since my previous tenure was aborted in 1991.

But I was enjoying myself with the Academy, going in, helping the kids and attending matches at Anfield.

I usually find it difficult to promote myself. That’s not my nature.

Liverpool were experiencing hard times and I wanted to help.

If I hadn’t expressed an interest, people might have thought, ‘Well, if Kenny Dalglish doesn’t want to help, there must be big *problems at Liverpool.’

When the news of my application emerged, the Liverpool punters were more favourable than not. That was reassuring.

Maybe I didn’t make the wisest decision in the world in going for it.

By expressing my ambition for the job, the board might think that complicated life for Roy Hodgson. They needn’t have feared. I fully respect Roy, a man I’ve known for a long, long time, ever since he was in Sweden, at Halmstads and Malmo, and he visited Melwood with Bobby Houghton. We struck up a friendship.

Roy’s a very honourable and decent person, and very experienced in football. He has his beliefs in how the team should be set up, but when he arrived at Liverpool, he will have known that he had to make one or two adjustments to his system, because the individuals are different at Liverpool.

No manager can just impose their style. It’s all right having a system but players dictate how it is played.

When Roy came in, I knew *Liverpool would be committed and well *organised. He’s the type of guy players enjoy working for.

He’s very honest in the way he handles players, and he speaks very well. He’ll get a great deal of respect from the players as well as the fans.

Roy must know he has walked into a world of uncertainty at Anfield, and until Liverpool are sold, the situation won’t settle down.

Even then, people always feel *uncertain when they have a new employer. What decisions will the new buyer make? Will he keep people? Will he want his own men in? Roy understands the situation.

At his press conference, he was asked how he would cope when a new owner arrives.

His answer was very good: “I’m the same as everybody else. If I’m getting results, I’ve got a better chance of keeping my job.”

Roy knows I’ll help him in any way I canhim I I can. *Liverpool Football Club are much more important than I am, or Roy Hodgson, *Christian Purslow or Martin Broughton.

I’ve put aside any resentment I felt about not being considered for the manager’s job.

I’m focusing on the bigger picture, which is Liverpool Football Club. Roy has no problem with me being here.

I have never undermined a manager. When I was given the Liverpool manager’s job in 1985, I had the best guy ever as my ally to consult.

Bob Paisley wasn’t a threat. He was 100 per cent on my side, and I knew that.

I’ll be the same for Roy if he wants it. What matters is Liverpool fighting their way back up to where they belong.

Liverpool will always be special in my eyes but they must take care.

They are in danger of missing out on the support of a young generation, who’ve been brought up watching the Premier League on Sky.

They want success. Unless *Liverpool are winning trophies and keeping hold of quality players, such as Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres, the club will struggle to pull in that generation of support.

At the moment, the kids go to Anfield because of their dads and the players. That’s the attraction.

But that can’t last forever. Liverpool have to win some silverware or lose a generation.

Whatever happens, the club can always count on my support.

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Postby woof woof ! » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:32 am

“We don’t want you, Kenny,”  came the reply from Christian and the chairman. Fine. That’s their *prerogative. They explained they had different plans for me, a position with greater longevity.

“We want you for a role at the club that would be for longer than the tenure of the manager,” the board told me.


Interesting perspective from the minds of the suits that are running the club. Before even appointing a man and seeing whether he succeeds or not, the "board" seemed to have already decided that the job of manager was not a long term one  ???
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Postby Redman in wales » Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:53 am

woof woof ! wrote:
“We don’t want you, Kenny,”  came the reply from Christian and the chairman. Fine. That’s their *prerogative. They explained they had different plans for me, a position with greater longevity.

“We want you for a role at the club that would be for longer than the tenure of the manager,” the board told me.


Interesting perspective from the minds of the suits that are running the club. Before even appointing a man and seeing whether he succeeds or not, the "board" seemed to have already decided that the job of manager was not a long term one  ???

I also saw that, but I could give them the benefit of doubt seeing as no Liverpool manager has stayed longer than 6 years since Bob Paisley. Also in the modern game, Moyes, Ferguson and Wenger are the only managers in the entire football league who have been at their club for over 6 years.

Of course once a manager leaves they can always go back into the boardroom / academy staff etc. – but I can see their point of view if they wanted Kenny as a long term ambassador for the club, without going through the rigors of management.

Of course I don’t actually AGREE with that sentiment, and was one of those that would have loved him back at the helm, but I can see the other sides point of view
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