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by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:55 pm

Agreed - think Hodgson as struck lucky with both the gerrard and Torres situations . Gerrard had nowhere to go and think Torres would of only gone to Barce but that door closes when they bought Villa .

by **In and Out** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:59 pm

I wouldn't have said Roy was lucky in that respect.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:03 pm

Why is it not lucky keeping hold of your two best players ? What would you call it ?

by **In and Out** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:03 pm

Doing his job. simple.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:07 pm

Can you not see the situation of both those two being lucky - it had nothing to do with manager - if Madrid bid 30 mil gerrard would of left - if barce had bid 60 mil or maybe less Torres would of left - nothing to do with the manager doing his job .

by **In and Out** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:09 pm

No not at all, it's all 'ifs and buts' from your perspective.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:13 pm

Maybe it is but it's being realistic - they are both with us because they both had nowhere to go . They wouldn't of turned down the chance to win trophies and carry on playing in CL . IMO . So it that respect I think Hodgson is extremely lucky that they both had to stay .

by **LFC2007** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:45 pm

We don't know for certain, but I think out of the two, Gerrard was more likely to leave, (he said considered "another option" while on holiday) presumably to Madrid. If he had his heart set on going there then I suspect a fee would have been agreed and he would have gone. But on balance he concluded that his future lies with Liverpool, and Roy may well have been a factor in that. Certainly, if he had as much faith in Roy as some of the people on here - i.e. that we are destined for mid-table mediocrity - he probably would have handed in a transfer request. But, because there are things happening at the club, and more importanly I think, because he's committed so much to the club over the years, it would overly simplistic and downright silly to make out that he was dying to leave the club, and is ONLY here because no club matched the asking price. Everything from Roy, to the signing of Joe Cole and the commitment of Torres, to the increasing possibility of new ownership all point to a change in the future direction of the club. It's just that Madrid are a Real attraction too, and so is Mourinho. It was probably last chance saloon for a big move so he was bound to give it serious thought. I've no doubt we'll see a revitalised Gerrard this season and the early signs are looking good.

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:51 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Can you not see the situation of both those two being lucky - it had nothing to do with manager - if Madrid bid 30 mil gerrard would of left - if barce had bid 60 mil or maybe less Torres would of left - nothing to do with the manager doing his job .

The rumoured tension between Rafa and Gerrard is pure conjecture...but the fact they’re still here is nothing more than ‘luck’ because no large bids came in?

They’re here the same reason Joe Cole is here. To play for Liverpool FC AND Roy Hodgson.

by **LFC2007** » Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:56 pm

Roy Hodgson isn't an obstacle to big players either joining or remaining at the club. He may not be the decisive factor (which is good, they play for the club and the fans as much as anyone else) but they aren't thinking "feck this, what's Uncle Woy ever won? We're heading back to the Souness days. I'm handing a transfer request, and you, Joe Cole, would be better of signing for Spurs".

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:01 am

LFC2007 wrote:Roy Hodgson isn't an obstacle to big players either joining or remaining at the club. He may not be the decisive factor (which is good, they play for the club and the fans as much as anyone else) but they aren't thinking "feck this, what's Uncle Woy ever won? We're heading back to the Souness days. I'm handing a transfer request, and you, Joe Cole, would be better of signing for Spurs".

I think you're right, it's a bit of both. However, it makes me laugh when some people refuse to give Hodgson ANY credit whatsoever. He played a part in keeping these players and Torres has gone on record to say how much he apprecoated the fact that Roy went to see him for a chat while he was on holiday.

by **PabloAimar** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:19 am

7_Kewell wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Can you not see the situation of both those two being lucky - it had nothing to do with manager - if Madrid bid 30 mil gerrard would of left - if barce had bid 60 mil or maybe less Torres would of left - nothing to do with the manager doing his job .

The rumoured tension between Rafa and Gerrard is pure conjecture...but the fact they’re still here is nothing more than ‘luck’ because no large bids came in?

I was thinking the exact same thing reading the last few pages. There's something not quite right with that guy. Too opinionated in blatant bias towards our previous manager and resorts to spouting utter rubbish to make his point. Sorry, just how I read it.

On the Gerrard head-scratch, do you seriously believe he genuinely felt an urch to tickle a nit at that moment of the match? Or do you think he's clever enough to realise exactly what that gesture implies in western society and will be interpreted as a reaction to his manager choosing to take the best striker in the world off the pitch?

by **Kharhaz** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:39 am

In and Out wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I agree with that, although I believe he would have been less happy if we hadn't changed manager. Carra said it was time for a change in manager and I reckon Gerrard would have felt the same.

defo.

I agree also. We went stale, and the players looked miffed. They must have surely thought, with rafa signing a 5 year contract the season before that this team was going nowhere. It would also explain why Gerrard was considering leaving.

by **Scottbot** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:42 am

LFC2007 wrote:I believe he would have been less happy if we hadn't changed manager. Carra said it was time for a change in manager and I reckon Gerrard would have felt the same.

Of course we won't know until the players come out and say it but I suspect (without claiming to be an expert on body language) that Gerrard shared the same opinion as Carra.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:54 am

Scottbot wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:I believe he would have been less happy if we hadn't changed manager. Carra said it was time for a change in manager and I reckon Gerrard would have felt the same.

Of course we won't know until the players come out and say it but I suspect (without claiming to be an expert on body language) that Gerrard shared the same opinion as Carra.

probably have to wait until the 'reveal all' autobiographies come out for that one

All i can say, it's good job we have a 'lucky' manager. :laugh:

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