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[bigmick]

Well that clears that up, I agree with you then Ace. He's a top class holding midfielder. Mind you, that was what RBG was saying in the topic starter and them you and him fell out, so feck knows what all that was about. I agree with both of you, even though you don't agree with each other, Masherano is a top class holding midfielder.

[Emerald Red]

you only have one attribute up there and you just figured out 3 different ways of wording it... BRAVO...
Hes a very good player... one of the best in what he does.. in everything else he is average.. simple as..
you want names of other players who play central midfield who offer more... well.. Essien, Ballack, Fabregas, Gerrard, Alonso, Scholes... and thats just in the English league... theres probably atleast 10 if not more players who play the same position in other leagues who offer more... Hes a big name in world football and people often immediately link that to him being world class.. fair enough but i just think that the term is thrown around a little too often for my liking nowadays...

Defensive midfielders who are better than Mascherano in no particular order: DeRossi, Essien, Cambiasso, Alonso, Ballack, J.Zanneti... theres more i guess but those are ones that pop to mind i think... all round, any of the above are better than Mascherano and they play the same role/position he does when he plays with us...

Baffles me how you're on a football forum, yet with this post you've managed to both contradict yourself, and show how utterly clueless you can be at the same time. I'm sorry, but that's just a clueless post, and I've highlighted why in bold for you.

Players like Alonso, Gerrard, Farbregas etc etc are totally different pieces to the puzzle that makes up the game we all know and love as being called football. With the acception of Essien, who plays in a similar role to Mash, there aren't many players who are better in the world at THIS PARTICULAR ROLE on the pitch, see?

Great post by beergoggles as usual. Sadly it's been denigrated by such a terrible followup post.

Not my usual kind of disagreement. Not been in the best of spirits of late, but I'm sure I can be forgiven.

[aCe']

you only have one attribute up there and you just figured out 3 different ways of wording it... BRAVO...
Hes a very good player... one of the best in what he does.. in everything else he is average.. simple as..
you want names of other players who play central midfield who offer more... well.. Essien, Ballack, Fabregas, Gerrard, Alonso, Scholes... and thats just in the English league... theres probably atleast 10 if not more players who play the same position in other leagues who offer more... Hes a big name in world football and people often immediately link that to him being world class.. fair enough but i just think that the term is thrown around a little too often for my liking nowadays...

Defensive midfielders who are better than Mascherano in no particular order: DeRossi, Essien, Cambiasso, Alonso, Ballack, J.Zanneti... theres more i guess but those are ones that pop to mind i think... all round, any of the above are better than Mascherano and they play the same role/position he does when he plays with us...

Baffles me how you're on a football forum, yet with this post you've managed to both contradict yourself, and show how utterly clueless you can be at the same time. I'm sorry, but that's just a clueless post, and I've highlighted why in bold for you.

Players like Alonso, Gerrard, Farbregas etc etc are totally different pieces to the puzzle that makes up the game we all know and love as being called football. With the acception of Essien, who plays in a similar role to Mash, there aren't many players who are better in the world at THIS PARTICULAR ROLE on the pitch, see?

Great post by beergoggles as usual. Sadly it's been denigrated by such a terrible followup post.

Not my usual kind of disagreement. Not been in the best of spirits of late, but I'm sure I can be forgiven.

players who play the same position but have different styles of playing the game... doesnt mean you cant compare them...ffs and you come on and call me clueless ...

Its like saying you cant compare Kuyt and Theo Walcott because Walcott likes to dribble down the line and use his pace while Kuyt likes to... mmm..mmmm.... work hard and play short passes....

Fck off lad

"one of the best in what he does.. in everything else he is average..."

Maybe it wasnt clear but i would have though the 29 posts after it with me explaining it would have done the trick.. apparently you're even dumber that i thought...which takes some doing mind you

and what you mean by PARTICULAR ROLE ill never understand...
YES EMERALD.. NO ONE DOES THE MASCHERANO ROLE BETTER THAN MASCHERANO .. you get 2 gold stars for that.. THATS WHY YOU LOT FCKING CALL IT THE MASCHERANO ROLE, you set the criteria around Mascherano's best attributes and then fcking compare eveyone else based on that... well guess what, theres only going to be one winner there...  !!!!


FFS.. the way you lot go on about our players just makes you wonder how other teams that dont have Mascherano and Alonso as their midfield pairing can even manage to draw any game...

[maguskwt]

since when was Ballack a defensive midfielder? 

[GYBS]

Ballack ?!?! the guy has done feck all in three years now - scholes is no longer the player he was , fabregas has had a poor year

And how the well do we do so well Ace when we have so many average players (as you call them in our squad) over the last 12 months its been

Pepe - overrated by everyone
Agger -average
Arbs- average
Skrtel -average
Masher -overrated
Xabi-Overrated
Kuyt-poor
plus more

The only players you seem to think are good enough are gerrard and torres ? yet constantly praising mancs and all these other players that look good on fm

[heimdall]

Ballack ?!?! the guy has done feck all in three years now - scholes is no longer the player he was , fabregas has had a poor year

And how the well do we do so well Ace when we have so many average players (as you call them in our squad) over the last 12 months its been

Pepe - overrated by everyone
Agger -average
Arbs- average
Skrtel -average
Masher -overrated
Xabi-Overrated
Kuyt-poor
plus more

The only players you seem to think are good enough are gerrard and torres ? yet constantly praising mancs and all these other players that look good on fm

Well Kuyt despite all your protests is NOT a naturally gifted footballer. Arbelola is average, Agger has a hell of a lot of potential. Pepe is very god but can still improve. Mascha is a fine DM, one of the best imo. Babel is useless, Riera is OK. Aurelio and Insua are fairly good, Carra, Torres and Stevie are world stars and we have a decent to good manager

You must find it so fecking annoying that we don't win every year GYBS when in your eyes we have the best players and manager in the world. oh to be able to view everything through such a narrow rose tinted mind, it must be lovely, ignorance is bliss and all that.

[GYBS]

Ballack ?!?! the guy has done feck all in three years now - scholes is no longer the player he was , fabregas has had a poor year

And how the well do we do so well Ace when we have so many average players (as you call them in our squad) over the last 12 months its been

Pepe - overrated by everyone
Agger -average
Arbs- average
Skrtel -average
Masher -overrated
Xabi-Overrated
Kuyt-poor
plus more

The only players you seem to think are good enough are gerrard and torres ? yet constantly praising mancs and all these other players that look good on fm

Well Kuyt despite all your protests is NOT a naturally gifted footballer. Arbelola is average, Agger has a hell of a lot of potential. Pepe is very god but can still improve. Mascha is a fine DM, one of the best imo. Babel is useless, Riera is OK. Aurelio and Insua are fairly good, Carra, Torres and Stevie are world stars and we have a decent to good manager

You must find it so fecking annoying that we don't win every year GYBS when in your eyes we have the best players and manager in the world. oh to be able to view everything through such a narrow rose tinted mind, it must be lovely, ignorance is bliss and all that.

wow hold on their norgie - where did i say best players and bets manager in the world or me stating kuyt is a naturally gifted footballer ? lets not be making stuff up now shall we to fit into any argument you want .

Maybe just maybe being a liverpool fan i rate our players a little higher than some and have seen the proof of that throughout the season - is that through red tinted glasses ? too fecking right im a liverpool fan but i also can recognise that we do have some very very good excellent players and some that do a very very damn fine job for us and help us progress.

[heimdall]

Ballack ?!?! the guy has done feck all in three years now - scholes is no longer the player he was , fabregas has had a poor year

And how the well do we do so well Ace when we have so many average players (as you call them in our squad) over the last 12 months its been

Pepe - overrated by everyone
Agger -average
Arbs- average
Skrtel -average
Masher -overrated
Xabi-Overrated
Kuyt-poor
plus more

The only players you seem to think are good enough are gerrard and torres ? yet constantly praising mancs and all these other players that look good on fm

Well Kuyt despite all your protests is NOT a naturally gifted footballer. Arbelola is average, Agger has a hell of a lot of potential. Pepe is very god but can still improve. Mascha is a fine DM, one of the best imo. Babel is useless, Riera is OK. Aurelio and Insua are fairly good, Carra, Torres and Stevie are world stars and we have a decent to good manager

You must find it so fecking annoying that we don't win every year GYBS when in your eyes we have the best players and manager in the world. oh to be able to view everything through such a narrow rose tinted mind, it must be lovely, ignorance is bliss and all that.

wow hold on their norgie - where did i say best players and bets manager in the world or me stating kuyt is a naturally gifted footballer ? lets not be making stuff up now shall we to fit into any argument you want .

Maybe just maybe being a liverpool fan i rate our players a little higher than some and have seen the proof of that throughout the season - is that through red tinted glasses ? too fecking right im a liverpool fan but i also can recognise that we do have some very very good excellent players and some that do a very very damn fine job for us and help us progress.

You don't explicitly say it but you sure as hell imply it all the time GYBS.  If I think a player at Manure is good then I'll say so, I don't feel so insecure that I feel the need to sh1t on other players in other teams, I can appreciate football without the blinkers.

Anyway what with the xenophobia dude, I thought you were better than childish name calling. 

[GYBS]

Imply it ? sorry but i will state how i rate players - i will state who i think our the best etc so unless i say as such then i dont think they are the best around . Me not praising manc players is nothing to with any insecurities i just dont rate them myself or if i do i certainly wont praise them on a liverpool forum and i certainly dont wear blinkers - i support my team and club and players and dont feel the need to constantly slag them off or critize them and will continue to do so through thick and thin and through the good times and bad times .

And apologies for the norgie remark was just meant to be a harmless little micky taking with no offence intended .

[heimdall]

Imply it ? sorry but i will state how i rate players - i will state who i think our the best etc so unless i say as such then i dont think they are the best around . Me not praising manc players is nothing to with any insecurities i just dont rate them myself or if i do i certainly wont praise them on a liverpool forum and i certainly dont wear blinkers - i support my team and club and players and dont feel the need to constantly slag them off or critize them and will continue to do so through thick and thin and through the good times and bad times .

And apologies for the norgie remark was just meant to be a harmless little micky taking with no offence intended .

OK I didn't really take offense at the norgie remark, would you believe that I've actually been called worse. 

Anyway I don't get how you don't rate the Manure players, they must be fairly good to have won the league so many times etc etc, this is what I mean by blinkers but maybe its more a case of perception, who knows maybe just maybe I'm in the wrong, nah can't be 

[GYBS]

i didnt say i dont rate some manc players but im not going to wax lyrical about them in any sense as im a liverpool fan - i know and understand how they won the league and know which players are important to them but i wont be ever praising them and will stick to praising our own players .

[heimdall]

i didnt say i dont rate some manc players but im not going to wax lyrical about them in any sense as im a liverpool fan - i know and understand how they won the league and know which players are important to them but i wont be ever praising them and will stick to praising our own players .

well on that we agree, I passionately dislike every single player in every other team which we compete against but I can still admire and respect their qualities and abilities. I think we are more or less in agreement on this issue so what can we argue about next?? 

[redbeergoggles]

I guess its down to me again, to put this thread  back on the track it was intended to follow ,so here we go :

I think Iniesta is world class because of his ability on the ball ,and his overall control and intelligent distribution ,is at times nothing short of majestic ,and as a playmaker there is none more adept ,and finally his partnership with xavi is almost telepathic .

I kind of had in mind that sort of contribution to the thread before it was again hijacked so efficiently ...... 

[heimdall]

I guess its down to me again, to put this thread  back on the track it was intended to follow ,so here we go :

I think Iniesta is world class because of his ability on the ball ,and his overall control and intelligent distribution ,is at times nothing short of majestic ,and as a playmaker there is none more adept ,and finally his partnership with xavi is almost telepathic .

I kind of had in mind that sort of contribution to the thread before it was again hijacked so efficiently ...... 

Sorry about that, my first post was kind of on topic though 

[Zidane]

I think sometimes people don't give enough credit to Masch, imo he improved a lot this past season and wasn't strictly just a defensive midfielder he made a lot of runs and is attempting to provide more on the offensive side of things.  That statement being based on him when he was actually on form though, later in the season.  It isn't always pretty but he makes the occasional play and I think he aims at improving even more next season in that aspect of his game.