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[damjan193]

No he didnt, he cost 15 million less than Torres which the club and owners thought was a good spread.

But that's not a very smart way of spending...

It depends on how you look at it really. How I see it, in simple words is: Chelsea on deadline day say: we want Torres; Torres on deadline day says I want out; we desperately need a striker if Torres leaves so we say no way if we don't find a replacement who would also cost 15mill less than Torres. So Chelsea would pay anything that is 15mill more than what our replacement would cost, even an incredible 50 mill. So we go after Carroll who's having a good season but Newcastle say they won't give him on cheep, and we say don't ask us ask Chelsea, we just want our 15 mill. So it's really between Newcastle and Chelsea. Newcastle give the price, the blue fools agree. That's how I see it. He might have been a wrong buy but as for the money it didn't really concern us.

[stmichael]

nothing left to say that hasn't already been said. just a wonderful footballer who when he plays like he did last night, is the best player in this league by a country mile.

infact i'll probably give him a 10 in the ratings thread. it was pretty much as faultless a display as you will ever see, up there with his efforts in istanbul and cardiff. nobody else on the pitch could have scored that first goal.

[dundreamin]

Absolute LEGEND sorry kenny but your king status has been passed on to stevie g.

[Thommo's perm]

Absolute LEGEND sorry kenny but your king status has been passed on to stevie g.

King Kenny and Sir Stevie

[D___C]

If Gerrard never wins the Premier League, he has to go down as the finest player never to have won the League title. I reckon he'll carry on playing until he wins one, fair play to him based on the performance against Everton he's showing no signs of decline.

It's a bit disappointing that we still rely heavily on Gerrard to get the job done, we must find ourselves another Torres, someone who can work the channels and put away most chances we create. We can't keep relying on Gerrard all the time, the responsibility for winning matches rests on all members of our team, not just one individual.

Noboby deserves a Premier League winners medal more. I genuinely cannot see him doing so unless we have a massive change (whether that be new manager, a sudden injection of top class players).. where we are at right now, with Gerrard and Suarez being our 2 quality players in the front six, is not going to challenge for 4th place nevermind have a league title challenge.

It was a strange emotion when Gerrard scored the three goals.. because on the one hand your delighted hes done so, and on the other there is this feeling of frustration of over reliance, hes carried us again, all that money spent down the years, hundreds of millions, and still theres little else. Adrian Durham made a point on the radio (and i kinda agree) the day after the derby.. he stated "Gerrard is too good for Liverpool". Hes carried average team-mates for years. Just imagine Gerrard had not played for us over the past 10 years, if you remove his defining contributions we win nothing, no Olympiakos, Istanbul, Cardiff etc. The 150 goals, endless assists, dragging the team through.. we owe him everything. You can see whenever he scores some of the players are sheepish to congratulate him, they know hes carrying the team and they contribute jack.

Luis is the other top class player we have, and against Everton had Gerrard not played, he wouldnt have had two assists or a hand in the third, he again would have come off the field with nothing to show for, this is the importance of having good players around you. In Steven and Luis we have two class players but if we are to become a big side again we need a major injection of quality.

[Kenny Kan]

Adrian Durham is a c*nt.

[Thommo's perm]

If Gerrard never wins the Premier League, he has to go down as the finest player never to have won the League title. I reckon he'll carry on playing until he wins one, fair play to him based on the performance against Everton he's showing no signs of decline.

It's a bit disappointing that we still rely heavily on Gerrard to get the job done, we must find ourselves another Torres, someone who can work the channels and put away most chances we create. We can't keep relying on Gerrard all the time, the responsibility for winning matches rests on all members of our team, not just one individual.

Noboby deserves a Premier League winners medal more. I genuinely cannot see him doing so unless we have a massive change (whether that be new manager, a sudden injection of top class players).. where we are at right now, with Gerrard and Suarez being our 2 quality players in the front six, is not going to challenge for 4th place nevermind have a league title challenge.

It was a strange emotion when Gerrard scored the three goals.. because on the one hand your delighted hes done so, and on the other there is this feeling of frustration of over reliance, hes carried us again, all that money spent down the years, hundreds of millions, and still theres little else. Adrian Durham made a point on the radio (and i kinda agree) the day after the derby.. he stated "Gerrard is too good for Liverpool". Hes carried average team-mates for years. Just imagine Gerrard had not played for us over the past 10 years, if you remove his defining contributions we win nothing, no Olympiakos, Istanbul, Cardiff etc. The 150 goals, endless assists, dragging the team through.. we owe him everything. You can see whenever he scores some of the players are sheepish to congratulate him, they know hes carrying the team and they contribute jack.

Luis is the other top class player we have, and against Everton had Gerrard not played, he wouldnt have had two assists or a hand in the third, he again would have come off the field with nothing to show for, this is the importance of having good players around you. In Steven and Luis we have two class players but if we are to become a big side again we need a major injection of quality.

I cant even be ar'sed going through the list of players whot have played alongside Gerrard ove the years. Obviously they were all sh'ite and we have been a one man team all along. "Gerrard plus passengers" is what we should be called. Its a wonder he passes to anyone such is the lack of talent we possess in our squad. I feel totally sorry for Gerrard that he has been forced to play alongside such utter garbage for all these years. Lets hope he doesnt suss out that nobody at LFC deserves to breathe the same air, never mind be on the same pitch as him.
We are truly honoured to have such a superman, such a demi god in our midst because, lets be honest, LFC would cease to exist without his presence.
Jason MCAteer and Adrian Durham. The two most knowledgable and respected football comentators. You should listen to Stan Collymore, Alan Brazil and Bill Kenwright. They are even clevererer

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

steven gerrard is the best player i`ve ever seen in a red shirt and i go back donkeys but it`s disrespectful to say that he`s been a one man team, he`s played alongside the likes of jamie carragher, michael owen, robbie fowler, sami hyypia, xabi alonso, javier mascherano, luis suarez, didi hamaan, fernando torres, pepe reina and steve mcmanaman during his career here and plenty of other decent players like glen johnson, john arne riise, patrick berger, fernando morientes etc etc as well.
he may not have had the quality in depth around him that the likes of kenny enjoyed when he was playing but we`ve still had some good players over the last decade or so. certainly too many to start saying we were a one man side.

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steven gerrard is the best player i`ve ever seen in a red shirt and i go back donkeys but it`s disrespectful to say that he`s been a one man team, he`s played alongside the likes of jamie carragher, michael owen, robbie fowler, sami hyypia, xabi alonso, javier mascherano, luis suarez, didi hamaan, fernando torres, pepe reina and steve mcmanaman during his career here and plenty of other decent players like glen johnson, john arne riise, patrick berger, fernando morientes etc etc as well.
he may not have had the quality in depth around him that the likes of kenny enjoyed when he was playing but we`ve still had some good players over the last decade or so. certainly too many to start saying we were a one man side.

In terms of the best midfielder to ever wear the red of Liverpool for me personally it would have to be the irrepressible Big Jan Molby .
Big Jan had everything ,that is essential to a midfielder's game and  his intelligent play and incomparable distribution when a ball was
at his feet was sprinkled with true genius .

To possess a midfielder with these magical attributes would make  Molby virtually priceless in today's market .
Steven Gerrard is a legend and a superb player ,but Molby's game had no weaknesses that I am aware of .

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

steven gerrard is the best player i`ve ever seen in a red shirt and i go back donkeys but it`s disrespectful to say that he`s been a one man team, he`s played alongside the likes of jamie carragher, michael owen, robbie fowler, sami hyypia, xabi alonso, javier mascherano, luis suarez, didi hamaan, fernando torres, pepe reina and steve mcmanaman during his career here and plenty of other decent players like glen johnson, john arne riise, patrick berger, fernando morientes etc etc as well.
he may not have had the quality in depth around him that the likes of kenny enjoyed when he was playing but we`ve still had some good players over the last decade or so. certainly too many to start saying we were a one man side.

In terms of the best midfielder to ever wear the red of Liverpool for me personally it would have to be the irrepressible Big Jan Molby .
Big Jan had everything ,that is essential to a midfielder's game and  his intelligent play and incomparable distribution when a ball was
at his feet was sprinkled with true genius .

To possess a midfielder with these magical attributes would make  Molby virtually priceless in today's market .
Steven Gerrard is a legend and a superb player ,but Molby's game had no weaknesses that I am aware of .

quite a few reds rate molby very highly mate but i`m afraid i`m not one of them!
when we first signed him he was a definate downgrade from graeme souness (mind you who wouldnt be) and he did have an exceptional season in 86 when we won the double but after that he went downhill, he couldnt even get into that great late 80`s team because of steve mcmahon (a very under rated player) and ronnie whelan and when whelan was injured it was nigel spackman who got the nod.
molby`s lack of mobility and his weight problems plus other issue`s he had at the time just stalled his career, he was very unproffessional in my eyes, certainly by todays standards, there would be uproar amongst the fans these days if he ran on the pitch in 2012 in the condition he often did in the 80`s.
i think the fact he was here 13 years and only just about played 300 games says it all, he was at the club long enough to have made about 6-700 appearances but didnt even get half of that.
he had a lot of ability but you need more than that.

[7_Kewell]

Jan was a great passer of the ball, but you're right in regards to his approach to the game and his fitness. He had let himself go and his excuse of 'i don't need to run around to be involved' was a poor one.

Gerrard is still mustard, as he proved against the blues, and i believe he's got another 3 years at the top

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Jan was a great passer of the ball, but you're right in regards to his approach to the game and his fitness. He had let himself go and his excuse of 'i don't need to run around to be involved' was a poor one.

Gerrard is still mustard, as he proved against the blues, and i believe he's got another 3 years at the top

i could half understand if molby let himself go in his 30`s but molbys mid to late 20`s footballing prime coincided with us having that great side at the end of the 80`s and quite frankly he couldnt get in the side, for all the plaudits molby gets the truth is that steve mcmahon was the main man in centre mid back then not molby.
molby was superb the year we won the double though and was great in the f.a cup final against everton.
molby was a classy player but he`s nowhere near the likes of souness and gerrard, as i said the one who never gets his `props` from back then is mcmahon, mcmahon was the second best player behind john barnes in that late 80`s side imo, a very under rated player. he was just unlucky that he was trying to impress a crowd who had watched graeme souness play a few years earlier. souness was an unbelievable player, just as good as dalglish if not even better.
i know quite a few of the players who played in that era rate souness a better player than dalglish, sammy lee for one.

[stmichael]

injuries premitting, he could play for as long as he wants imo. he'll have to adapt his game though, like scholes and giggs have done. you can see him winding his career down playing infront of the back four directing stuff from a deeper position.

i've said it before, he's the best english player of the last 10-15 years. only scholes comes close but even he couldn't play so many different positions as stevie does or lead from the front like stevie does. it's a crime how he's been mistreated at international level down the years.

[Thommo's perm]

injuries premitting, he could play for as long as he wants imo. he'll have to adapt his game though, like scholes and giggs have done. you can see him winding his career down playing infront of the back four directing stuff from a deeper position.

i've said it before, he's the best english player of the last 10-15 years. only scholes comes close but even he couldn't play so many different positions as stevie does or lead from the front like stevie does. it's a crime how he's been mistreated at international level down the years.

And Carragher!
The FA and england are proper gobsh'ites

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Jan was a great passer of the ball, but you're right in regards to his approach to the game and his fitness. He had let himself go and his excuse of 'i don't need to run around to be involved' was a poor one.

Gerrard is still mustard, as he proved against the blues, and i believe he's got another 3 years at the top

i could half understand if molby let himself go in his 30`s but molbys mid to late 20`s footballing prime coincided with us having that great side at the end of the 80`s and quite frankly he couldnt get in the side, for all the plaudits molby gets the truth is that steve mcmahon was the main man in centre mid back then not molby.
molby was superb the year we won the double though and was great in the f.a cup final against everton.
molby was a classy player but he`s nowhere near the likes of souness and gerrard, as i said the one who never gets his `props` from back then is mcmahon, mcmahon was the second best player behind john barnes in that late 80`s side imo, a very under rated player. he was just unlucky that he was trying to impress a crowd who had watched graeme souness play a few years earlier. souness was an unbelievable player, just as good as dalglish if not even better.
i know quite a few of the players who played in that era rate souness a better player than dalglish, sammy lee for one.

I have often extolled the virtues of McMahon on this forum ,it would be no exaggeration to say McMahon was the driving force that most contributed to
the success of that side .

Jan Molby however was the finest and most succinct passer of a ball I have ever had the pleasure to see ,such players are rare ,and I guess the reason
I have such admiration for Molby is no matter how few and far between his appearances became for the reds ,his unabashed love for the club never
wavered ,big Jan was the Kops  adopted son and to watch at times what we all believed was such an exquisite talent made me feel privileged to witness .
We all have our own personal favourites  for differing reasons mate ,Molby was mine .