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[bunglemark2]

Point made....
Back on track, I think Roy is wrong if he decides to dump either of them

I agree, kind of, except for Pacheco, and Agger if hes unfit

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion mate....


....so long as I give it to you....

[bigmick]

Well Roy is giving the kids plenty of opportunities, nobody can say he isn't. With Pacheco it's up to him to force his way in. In the couple of appearances he's had this season he's been a major disappointment, I don't know how he's going in training, but if you add it up it's probably why he's not getting a run. From what I've seen of him I am unconvinced, but although I accept that many do rate him I think it's wide of the mark to call the manager a "numpty" for not playing him. This is particularly the case when you consider that we've had some excellent results with the "kid teams" we have picked.

As far as Agger is concerned, I too rate him higher than Skyrtel when he's fit. That said, Skyrtel has played better in the last few weeks and the difference between them isn't big enough to get me fecking fuming about the manager selecting one or the other. I'm just enjoying the fact we're playing a little bit better now (not that it is difficult to play better than we were) and getting some good results. If we do beat Chelsea tomorrow (won't be easy I know) we'll go level with Tottenham, above the bitters etc. Equally, results such as the win at Bolton when some daft daft people slagged off the "performance" can now be seen in the right context.

All in all, airing your opinion on whether or not Roy was suitable for the job is completely fair enough. I do think though that he is increasingly proving those who have said he is a "fecking sh!t manager" and "totally out of his depth" wrong. He's doing alright as of now, and good luck to him.

[NANNY RED]

"the difference between them isn't big enough to get me fecking fuming about the manager selecting one or the other"

Whose fecking fuming Mick

[Rush Job]

Good win in the end but Gerrard is merely wallpapering over the cracks which is Roys boring boring football Z zzz

What was boring about last nights performance?

The first half. Did you miss it?

Thought the first half was anything but boring. Try watching both sides for additional enjoyment! lol

Its was a simple comment and opinion, I dont now why people seem to have a problem with it?
It was boring in the sence we were disjointed, directionless and created little.
If you think different of the first half fine, I`ll not tell you you should have been bored.

[dawson99]

luckily football matches last 90 mintues, not 45

[bunglemark2]

From what I've seen of him I am unconvinced, but although I accept that many do rate him I think it's wide of the mark to call the manager a "numpty" for not playing him. This is particularly the case when you consider that we've had some excellent results with the "kid teams" we have picked.

Give me a bleedin' break, mate...What planet are you on ?
He has played the "kids" as you say against cack opposition, not Chelsea, Manure or the Ar.se....
Pacheco is class, end of. Watch his highlights from the Ressies or the U19's this summer. If you can't see that, you're as blind as RH.

[dawson99]

From what I've seen of him I am unconvinced, but although I accept that many do rate him I think it's wide of the mark to call the manager a "numpty" for not playing him. This is particularly the case when you consider that we've had some excellent results with the "kid teams" we have picked.

Give me a bleedin' break, mate...What planet are you on ?
He has played the "kids" as you say against cack opposition, not Chelsea, Manure or the Ar.se....
Pacheco is class, end of. Watch his highlights from the Ressies or the U19's this summer. If you can't see that, you're as blind as RH.

you're asking someone to check out a player on youtube are you?

reserves dont count... its like numbing your hand, you know its your hand and you're left dissapointed

[bunglemark2]

From what I've seen of him I am unconvinced, but although I accept that many do rate him I think it's wide of the mark to call the manager a "numpty" for not playing him. This is particularly the case when you consider that we've had some excellent results with the "kid teams" we have picked.

Give me a bleedin' break, mate...What planet are you on ?
He has played the "kids" as you say against cack opposition, not Chelsea, Manure or the Ar.se....
Pacheco is class, end of. Watch his highlights from the Ressies or the U19's this summer. If you can't see that, you're as blind as RH.

you're asking someone to check out a player on youtube are you?

reserves dont count... its like numbing your hand, you know its your hand and you're left dissapointed

Well, I admit youtube is only a snapshot. But where else can you get highlights from the U19's this summer ? And it's not just youtube where I've seen the lad play. Some of the games were available on myp2p and I watched them....so it's my opinion from having watched his performances, not just based on a 3 min collage on the internet.
But you're entitled to your opinion....

As for the reserves games, well, the lad hasn't played in the fitst team all that often so we haven't had the chance to see him that much have we ?

[tubby]

I do think though that he is increasingly proving those who have said he is a "fecking sh!t manager" and "totally out of his depth" wrong. He's doing alright as of now, and good luck to him.

What with 3 games? Lest we forget we were in the relegation zone. If we win tomorrow I think he will gain a few more brownie points.

[tubby]

From what I've seen of him I am unconvinced, but although I accept that many do rate him I think it's wide of the mark to call the manager a "numpty" for not playing him. This is particularly the case when you consider that we've had some excellent results with the "kid teams" we have picked.

Give me a bleedin' break, mate...What planet are you on ?
He has played the "kids" as you say against cack opposition, not Chelsea, Manure or the Ar.se....
Pacheco is class, end of. Watch his highlights from the Ressies or the U19's this summer. If you can't see that, you're as blind as RH.

you're asking someone to check out a player on youtube are you?

reserves dont count... its like numbing your hand, you know its your hand and you're left dissapointed

Well, I admit youtube is only a snapshot. But where else can you get highlights from the U19's this summer ? And it's not just youtube where I've seen the lad play. Some of the games were available on myp2p and I watched them....so it's my opinion from having watched his performances, not just based on a 3 min collage on the internet.
But you're entitled to your opinion....

As for the reserves games, well, the lad hasn't played in the fitst team all that often so we haven't had the chance to see him that much have we ?

Yeah Pacheco was class in that under 19s tourno recently. He was heavily involved in so many good goals there. That trick penalty was not bad either. 

[Rush Job]

luckily football matches last 90 mintues, not 45

Yes and we turned it round with style. Look mate I`m not one of the Roy bashers, credit where its due but I just so happen to think we were going knowhere first half.
Whats the problem with that? 

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Listen .....its been a while without the obligatory  foot in mouth moment from the manager ....  if the man can get a result against Chelsea and we start clawing our way back up the table ,then credit where credit is due ....and maybe just maybe its been a lesson learnt and  he can start to turn  the tide in regards to collating the hardcore support  ...... but for me personally he needs to mend a serious amount of bridges to gain our trust ....but much improved results and a dignified media silence and presence  will certainly go a long way to doing precisely that ..... but I must add this proving people wrong thing being bandied about by certain posters is completely wide of the mark ...if Chelsea get a result Tomorrow we could find ourselves stuck in 16th position if this is making people consider their earlier opinions on the man then I am at a loss for words .... 16th in the league is a fucking disgrace  for a team of our standing ,so maybe the helpings of humble pie some posters cant wait to dish out should be retained for now  ............
We have to win against Chelsea even this early in the season because we are already allowing an unhealthy gap to grow between us and the top three

[red till i die!!]

Well Roy is giving the kids plenty of opportunities, nobody can say he isn't. With Pacheco it's up to him to force his way in. In the couple of appearances he's had this season he's been a major disappointment, I don't know how he's going in training, but if you add it up it's probably why he's not getting a run. From what I've seen of him I am unconvinced, but although I accept that many do rate him I think it's wide of the mark to call the manager a "numpty" for not playing him. This is particularly the case when you consider that we've had some excellent results with the "kid teams" we have picked.

As far as Agger is concerned, I too rate him higher than Skyrtel when he's fit. That said, Skyrtel has played better in the last few weeks and the difference between them isn't big enough to get me fecking fuming about the manager selecting one or the other. I'm just enjoying the fact we're playing a little bit better now (not that it is difficult to play better than we were) and getting some good results. If we do beat Chelsea tomorrow (won't be easy I know) we'll go level with Tottenham, above the bitters etc. Equally, results such as the win at Bolton when some daft daft people slagged off the "performance" can now be seen in the right context.

All in all, airing your opinion on whether or not Roy was suitable for the job is completely fair enough. I do think though that he is increasingly proving those who have said he is a "fecking sh!t manager" and "totally out of his depth" wrong. He's doing alright as of now, and good luck to him.

i agree mick that he is giving the youth a chance to an extent.
only pacheco and shelvey have featured for us in the league and  i dont think either even got 10 mins.since we have began this competitive season, only 5 youth players have been given a shot.pacheco 5mins/shelvey 180 mins/spearing 270 mins/eccleston 27 mins/kelly 270 mins.
we have played a total of 16 competitive matches ,1440 mins and only 5 have had a crack with kelly and spearing leading the way with 3 games a piece but all in europe.
the ones that have played have done good,spearing looks better,shelvey has potential and kelly also has potential but i would much rather have insua over konchesky and aqua over poulsen.i would say roy has got rid of more youth than he has given a shot too.

you make it sound like we field "kid teams" every week.
we did in the qualifiers v rabotnicki and trabsonspur but only because we had everyone still on leave after the w.c.then the match in napoli where they did do a good job
our biggest win was against steaua 4.1 followed by a rampant sg stuffin 3 past napoli other than that i wouldnt call our results excellent.

i also rate agger over skyrtel when he is fit but i think roy simply prefers skyrtel in centre with kyrgiakos/carragher rather than agger.well i hope its that and not him been frozen out resulting in him leaving.
your right we are playing better but were still terrible to watch.yes we got results but just about and far from the standard we should be playing.

i too hope we beat chelski and climb the table above spurs and bitters and i wont blame roy if we dont as it is going to be a tough task for anyone to beat them.

i didnt think roy was suitable for the job when he got it and still dont think he is now.its my opinion and its based purely on footballing reasons nothing else.some people chose to express theirs in other ways like for the reasons you gave in your post but im sure its nothing personal against the man just what they see on the field week in/out.
i think most fans against roy wont be swayed by a win over bb and bol and im sure we are all grateful for the points but we should be beating teams like this anyway and we just about did.
he is doing just alright as of now and yes good luck to him.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Ive lost count of how many Kids Roy has played in the Premier League .....can anyone possibly give me a heads up on that 
and you cant include Spearing in that equation as he's about 53 ........ 

[alwayslfc]

Manuel Pellegrini whom some fans (including myself) wouldn't mind him to replace RH has been taken and LFC have lost the opportunity to appoint him because on 5 Nov. he has joined Spanish side Malaga FC on a 3 year contract. So the only available option is Rijkaard and based on the news on JH, he won't act in haste to replace RH. So there you have it, we're all going to be stuck with Hodgy at least for the rest of the season.

The only consolation is, based on the current league table, even if we get beat by Chelsea on Sunday, we're still not in the relegation zone. This is pitiful time for Liverpool.