Liverpool FC Forum

[killerp]

Riena has been a great servant but maybe he has been here too long & by that I mean he has witnessed too many changes in managers & owners of the club all with different ideas of where we should be going. Many consecutive disappointments to deal with. Not to mention the lack of competition for his gloves.

If you are Reina & see another rebuilding process happening, you'll know automatically that means more years without mounting a serious challenge on anything but a Carling Cup. Your performances will never be as committed as new blood trying to impress.

Anyway if someone wants him back, too late we burnt that bridge.

[Greavesie]

So if Madrid came in for Suarez you think he would turn them down after going on about them all summer ? He would be away in an instant

He hasn't publicly stated as bluntly as Reina. You answer questions with more questions and fail to acknowledge genuine points

No the difference is Suarez has constantly go on about Madrid all summer into the press and come up with all sort of reasons to wanting the leave - if anything Suarez is the one playing it all out in the open. How many times to the media did Pepe say he would like the club to consider an offer ? I think this is the first time.

Right so we've established they're different situations, what's your point?

[devaney]

Pepe's father has been making overtures to the media about a possible move to Barca for quite some time and on many occasions. This is just as unacceptable as Pepe saying it himself unless we want to be totally naive about the situation.

Defending Pepe for saying he would like to move to Barca only once is a bit of a nonsense. Does it really matter how many times he said it? It is still massively disrespectful considering the life his has enjoyed as a result of playing for LFC. Just how many goalkeepers in the world earn £110k a week.

Pepe can moan as much as he likes about how he was treated and sent on loan to Napoli but the fact remains that Pepe, his father and his agent caused this problem. Pepe moans about deserving better! That's a bit cheap when you have said I'm off to Barca if they come for me. Just WTF did he expect?

Great player but he did himself no favours and neither did his father or agent.

As for the club disrespecting a legend I do not accept that for one moment. When you pay somebody over £5m a year you are entitled to expect loyalty and professionalism at all times. As much as I want Suarez to stay if the club treated him in the same way I would not blame them.

[SouthCoastShankly]

I would be taking reports bythe Independent with a large grain of salt.
That article smacks of sh!t stirring.

How can one expect any player who leaves due to a lack or performance or game time to be completely unbiased in their assessment of how the club is being managed? Are they going to give a glittering testimonial to the people who didn't rate them?

Nuri Sahin did well in the Bundesliga. He could not hack it in the Primera Liga nor the Premiership at the clubs he was at. With most unsuccessful situations, everything but the kitchen sink gets blamed instead of taking a retrospective look at one's self.

nice post.

Tough Sh*t Sahin, if you are as good as you make out to be a slight shift forward in midfield would not have caused possibly the most uninspiring transfer we have had in years. He seemed happy when he was scoring but as soon as his tap ins dried up he sulked at actually having to put a shift in.

[Redrider]

But everyone knows about ‘the Liverpool way’, and this is not it. This is meant to be a club where individuals were respected, especially those who had earned it on the pitch. Honest conversation was always meant to be the solution, and difficult divorces managed in a calm and dignified way, but Reina found himself surprised and rather put out when Liverpool decided to move him to Italy.

It raises questions, not for the first time, about the man-management at Anfield these days. It may well grow out of the American owners, coming from a sporting culture where players are traded at the whim of the owners without much of a say for themselves.

Or perhaps it comes from elsewhere at the club. Brendan Rodgers has his own ways of motivating players but it is not clear that they all respond well to him. Early last season Stewart Downing was publicly criticised by the new manager and was not delighted by it

.

To a 'Tee'! The club is not what it was!
Ian Ayre has no gravitas and Brenden Rodgers brings little of substance to the party!

[Kenny Kan]

But everyone knows about ‘the Liverpool way’, and this is not it. This is meant to be a club where individuals were respected, especially those who had earned it on the pitch. Honest conversation was always meant to be the solution, and difficult divorces managed in a calm and dignified way, but Reina found himself surprised and rather put out when Liverpool decided to move him to Italy.

It raises questions, not for the first time, about the man-management at Anfield these days. It may well grow out of the American owners, coming from a sporting culture where players are traded at the whim of the owners without much of a say for themselves.

Or perhaps it comes from elsewhere at the club. Brendan Rodgers has his own ways of motivating players but it is not clear that they all respond well to him. Early last season Stewart Downing was publicly criticised by the new manager and was not delighted by it

.

To a 'Tee'! The club is not what it was!
Ian Ayre has no gravitas and Brenden Rodgers brings little of substance to the party!

How is the 'Liverpool way' supposed to remain so righteously in tact when footballers act like mercenaries these days? The club would become a fecking door mat if it didn't keep up with the cut throat business of 21st century football. Reina telling the club that he'd be off if Barca came in for him, yet expects to remain at Anfield until his dream move comes about leaving the club to flap about for a new keeper - talk about audacity!

Respect is a two way street and LFC cannot uphold it's 'way' when players 'expect this and that' at it's expense. This fiasco has been Reina's undoing, nobody else's so he doesn't really have any right to take the moral high ground here.

Having said that, he has been a great player for this club (apart from the last two years) I wish him all the best with his reunion with Rafa.

[Redrider]

The point is that Reina was open about his preferences and the management did not respond with equal candour.

[Benny The Noon]

The point is that Reina was open about his preferences and the management did not respond with equal candour.

That is exactly the point. It's not how our club should work.

I'm guessing Ayre was too busy getting ***** in Australia.

The man is a joke

[devaney]

The point is that Reina was open about his preferences and the management did not respond with equal candour.

I think the club did respond with equal candour as you call it. Pepe showed total disrespect for LFC stating publicly that he would prefer to play for Barca. That probably applies to a lot of Premiership players but you don't hear them coming out and saying it. Pepe has been given a fantastic opportunity by LFC. He earns £110k a week. Don't you at least get some loyalty and professionalism for that? Personally I think he has got a diabolical cheek moaning about how he was treated.

[Benny The Noon]

Until this letter he released after leaving when did Pepe publicly state he would prefer to play for Barce. Have i missed that statement ?

I know he said that playing for Barce would be an honour because he would be following in the footsteps of his dad but i dont recall him publicly stating he would prefer to play for Barce over us.

[devaney]

How would we feel about Steven Gerrard if he said it would be an honour to play for Manchester United regardless of family connections.

[Benny The Noon]

Not really the same is it ? So I guess Pepe didn't state publicly he would prefer to play for Barce

[devaney]

Gerrard last time I looked is English. Like it or not Manchester United are currently the most successful club in England. Pepe is Spanish. Barca are currently the most successful club in Spain. But as you say that is completely different or is it. It is only completely different in your opinion because it does not agree with your argument.

Pepe as you point out has openly said it would be an honour to play for Barca. What do you actually think he means by that? Do you think he might have meant prefer?  It is open to interpretation and that is why he should never have said it. Semantics !! His agent and his father have also been quite open about him going to Barca for quite some time.

If you are happy for one of our players to to indicate his desire to play for another team directly or by interpretation then that is your prerogative.

[Benny The Noon]

So he never publicly stated he would prefer to play for Barce over us. That's that cleared up

Now onto Gerrard - he has zero connection to the Mancs - zero , he has grown up hating them as a club so would never state the desire to play for a club he has hated all his life. He did nearly join Chelsea of course. Now onto Pepe and Barce - there is a connection there to the club - it has f*ck all to do with how successful they are - his father played there , he grew up a Barce fan , he had his education at Barce , he started his career at Barce , he had his big break at Barce until he left - it's the same as Fabregas,s desire to return to Barce. Pepe said it would be an honour to play for Barce because of everything the club means to him and his family.

Now please tell me exactly what connection Gerrard has with the Mancs that would ever make him state that it would be an honour to play for the Mancs !

[devaney]

As I pointed out it is all about interpretation which you fail to accept. You are naively assuming that everybody in football is aware of Reina's history with Barca and Gerrard's hatred for Manchester United. Take those aspects out of the equation and the scenario looks very different. If you are satisfied that Pepe can openly state that it would be an honour to play for another team then there is very little I can do to change your opinion.

The following is an extract from the this link: http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... -Barcelona Reina says it would be hard to call time on his eight years at Liverpool but admits a move to Barcelona would be too good to turn down. Surely you can see that his preference is Barca and that is clearly what he said unless in your world TOO GOOD TO TURN DOWN means something else.

Pepe's father spouting off: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... elona.html

Our views are diametrically opposed so let's just stick to our agreement to ignore each other.