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[GYBS]

And Liability ? How many games have we lost because of Lucas playing so far then ?

And Bammo - people wont be happy you havent got the others option available - prepare for uproar

[LFC2007]

For me, I'd drop Lucas, but like some have said I don't think it's massively significant who's dropped given Masch's form and the opposition we're up against.

it is IMO, if we drop Mascherano we lose his tackling and tenacity, he's been poor so far and im not his biggest fan either but at least he contributes something, Lucas is offering the team nothing and is a complete liability.

I'd have him in too, but we have a run of four games approaching against winnable opposition (I don't like using that term ) and so I dont think it's massively significant. I think Lucas would be able to do a tidy job in there, I don't think he'd necessarily be a 'massive liability', not with Gerrard, Riera and Kuyt next to him - players who will use the ball better, get back and tackle and work hard. He'll be protected so his input would be limited, essentially he'd be taking a back seat in the midfield. He can do a tidy job if nothing spectacular - that much we know from some of his performances last season. That's why it's not massively significant, and by that I mean potentially a big problem.

Obviously if we're up against Chelsea, or another very good side, we need our big players in like Masch because we know he can reach a much higher level and he has experience in those sorts of games. It wasn't so long ago after all that people were making regular claims that he was 'world class' and 'obviously better than Alonso'.

[Fowler_E7]

Ok lets see if i can make it clearer for you

1. We sell Xabi

2. We buy Aqualini

3.He is injured

4. We have to play the next best available = Lucas

5. Gerrard isnt as good as Xabi in the Xabi role

6.Gerrard has formed an outstanding partnership with Torres that last season we broke up to play Keane

7.He went back to the partnership once Keane went and lo and behold both Gerrard and Torres started scoring goals for fun


So in summary we have no one in the squad as good as xabi in the role xabi did for us - what does that mean then - well we play the next best available to us without damaging the other areas of the team - ie Lucas in their until Aqualini is fit to take his place or do we just play with 10 as we dont have anyone as good as Xabi in that role . 25 odd games Lucas played for us last season and how many did we loose ? NONE how many did we win - all bar two the others being draws - and some of those games where against the best team in the world ( when Xabi wasnt playing as well) so how the hell did we manage to not loose when lucas played so many games for us when he is so poor ?? how did we manage to win so many games with Lucas playing when he is so poor ?

yeah because Lucas won us all those games didnt he! the team was flying after the turn of the year, easlily playing well enough to carry Lucas.

Lucas is not our best option after Xabi,he's terrible and shows that week in week out to anyone who eyes are working properly.

Whats the point of keeping Torres and Gerrard together if no bodys supplying them? surely that is more detrimental to the team. There are best players and they need the ball to be effective, if we put Gerrard back into central midfield until Aquilani is fit then at least we can get the engine room sorted because we will have a good player in one of if not the most important area on the pitch.

[Bammo]

And Liability ? How many games have we lost because of Lucas playing so far then ?

And Bammo - people wont be happy you havent got the others option available - prepare for uproar

I nearly put "Greatest player ever" as a joke 

If I did all the options wanted (big liability...medium liability..small liability...some potential...huge potential...no potential..etc) there'd be 100's of options 

[Fowler_E7]

For me, I'd drop Lucas, but like some have said I don't think it's massively significant who's dropped given Masch's form and the opposition we're up against.

it is IMO, if we drop Mascherano we lose his tackling and tenacity, he's been poor so far and im not his biggest fan either but at least he contributes something, Lucas is offering the team nothing and is a complete liability.

I'd have him in too, but we have a run of four games approaching against winnable opposition (I don't like using that term ) and so I dont think it's massively significant. I think Lucas would be able to do a tidy job in there, I don't think he'd be a 'massive liability', not with Gerrard, Riera and Kuyt next to him - players who will use the ball better, get back and tackle and work hard. He'll be protected so his input would be limited. He can do a tidy job if nothing spectacular - that much we know from his performances last season. That's why it's not massively significant, and by that I mean potentially a big problem.

Mate, we cannot have a midfield that consists of Mascherano, Lucas and Kuyt all togther and expect to score and create goals, it wont happen because they dont have enough attacking talent, and there very easily to nulify. We might get away with it against the smaller teams but we will come unstuck eventually if we persist with it.

[GYBS]

25 games magte - so are you saying Lucas was carried for 25 games ? im sorry but thats impossible to play that many games with just ten men and the other being carried ?

So which games this season have we lost becuase Lucas played

Oh and what was the turning point of the game yesterday ? was it not the sending off of Davies ?? who was bursting forward past the midfield carrying the ball when brought down by Davies ? was it Gerrard ? no it was Lucas

[Fowler_E7]

And Liability ? How many games have we lost because of Lucas playing so far then ?

And Bammo - people wont be happy you havent got the others option available - prepare for uproar

Weve lost 2 already, or havnt you noticed. He's been our worst player so yeah he is a liabilty

[LFC2007]

Mate, we cannot have a midfield that consists of Mascherano, Lucas and Kuyt all togther and expect to score and create goals, it wont happen because they dont have enough attacking talent, and there very easily to nulify. We might get away with it against the smaller teams but we will come unstuck eventually if we persist with it.

'not with Gerrard, Riera and Kuyt next to him'

I'm essentially agreeing with you but for some reason it isn't registering 

[GYBS]

And Liability ? How many games have we lost because of Lucas playing so far then ?

And Bammo - people wont be happy you havent got the others option available - prepare for uproar

Weve lost 2 already, or havnt you noticed. He's been our worst player so yeah he is a liabilty

worst player ? are you really sure now or just carryiing on the witch hunt ? so is lucas the reason why we lost those two games or was their any other factors like poor defending at set peices , shocking tackles by our captain ? poor defending by our cbs , quality striker from free kick ? or was it all because of lucas

[Fowler_E7]

25 games magte - so are you saying Lucas was carried for 25 games ? im sorry but thats impossible to play that many games with just ten men and the other being carried ?

So which games this season have we lost becuase Lucas played

Oh and what was the turning point of the game yesterday ? was it not the sending off of Davies ?? who was bursting forward past the midfield carrying the ball when brought down by Davies ? was it Gerrard ? no it was Lucas

you are deluded, so now your prasing Lucas because he was involved in the sending off? next you will be saying how great his communications skills are because he mentioned to the ref that Davies was already on a yellow 

and yes he was carried/protected nearly every time he played, he avoids the ball and when does get it, he only passes it simple  that is not good enough for a player in our team.

[GYBS]

And Liability ? How many games have we lost because of Lucas playing so far then ?

And Bammo - people wont be happy you havent got the others option available - prepare for uproar

I nearly put "Greatest player ever" as a joke 

If I did all the options wanted (big liability...medium liability..small liability...some potential...huge potential...no potential..etc) there'd be 100's of options 

im sure that would of e caused even more uproar mat

[Fowler_E7]

Mate, we cannot have a midfield that consists of Mascherano, Lucas and Kuyt all togther and expect to score and create goals, it wont happen because they dont have enough attacking talent, and there very easily to nulify. We might get away with it against the smaller teams but we will come unstuck eventually if we persist with it.

'not with Gerrard, Riera and Kuyt next to him'

I'm essentially agreeing with you but for some reason it isn't registering 

yeah sorry, dont know why i quoted you on that one i wasnt talking to you directly  i do agree with what your saying but i think it would be a risk to drop Mascherano instead of Lucas.

[GYBS]

25 games magte - so are you saying Lucas was carried for 25 games ? im sorry but thats impossible to play that many games with just ten men and the other being carried ?

So which games this season have we lost becuase Lucas played

Oh and what was the turning point of the game yesterday ? was it not the sending off of Davies ?? who was bursting forward past the midfield carrying the ball when brought down by Davies ? was it Gerrard ? no it was Lucas

you are deluded, so now your prasing Lucas because he was involved in the sending off? next you will be saying how great his communications skills are because he mentioned to the ref that Davies was already on a yellow 

and yes he was carried/protected nearly every time he played, he avoids the ball and when does get it, he passes it simple, that is not good enough for a player in our team.

No im praising Lucas for his forward run past the Bolton midfielders that caused the foul to occur in the first place - just like his forward run in the first half down the left hand side that resulted in the first booking as well .

Avoids the ball ?? rubbish total rubbish

Simple passes ? my god passing it simple is a bad thing now is it when Liverpool were brought up on playing and passing it simple to keep hold of possesion and now its a bad thing becuase someone like to play pass and move ?? what next ?

[Fowler_E7]

And Liability ? How many games have we lost because of Lucas playing so far then ?

And Bammo - people wont be happy you havent got the others option available - prepare for uproar

Weve lost 2 already, or havnt you noticed. He's been our worst player so yeah he is a liabilty

worst player ? are you really sure now or just carryiing on the witch hunt ? so is lucas the reason why we lost those two games or was their any other factors like poor defending at set peices , shocking tackles by our captain ? poor defending by our cbs , quality striker from free kick ? or was it all because of lucas

i never said he was the single reason we lost those games, the whole team has been pretty awful so far but he has been our worst player and has had been a significant factor in us losing those mathces and playing so badly. Who's been worse than him then?

[GYBS]

And Liability ? How many games have we lost because of Lucas playing so far then ?

And Bammo - people wont be happy you havent got the others option available - prepare for uproar

Weve lost 2 already, or havnt you noticed. He's been our worst player so yeah he is a liabilty

worst player ? are you really sure now or just carryiing on the witch hunt ? so is lucas the reason why we lost those two games or was their any other factors like poor defending at set peices , shocking tackles by our captain ? poor defending by our cbs , quality striker from free kick ? or was it all because of lucas

i never said he was the single reason we lost those games, the whole team has been pretty awful so far but he has been our worst player and has had been a significant factor in us losing those mathces and playing so badly. Who's been worse than him then?

Both Carra and Skrtel have played worse this season than Lucas and been more at fault than us loosing this season than Lucas - Masher has also been worse than Lucas so far this season .