Liverpool FC Forum

[akumaface]

The fact is that if we are going to have a chance to win this season, we can't play LUCAS in CM. Waiting for Aquilani is not an excuse as we were all arguing why didn't Rafa put the best team on the field for the last couple of season. For those Lucas Supporter, tell me if you think putting Lucas in CM is in fact our strongest team! We should put Gerrard back in the Middle and put Beni behind Torres. The rest are the usual. That would be our best team and not the one with LUcas.

I agree with take Lucas out. put SG in midfield but why play Beni behind Torres . I would love to see Ngog play together with Torres ( 4-1-2-1-2 diamond ) ...

We are agreed to disagree. 

[GYBS]

Im sorry akuma you cant compare babel being dropped to lucas should be dropped as at least lucas has contributed to the team this season despite everyone denying as such where as babel contributed nothing this season so far and deserved to be dropped - lucas doesnt deserved to be dropped from performances this season - if anyone from the midfield should be on performances alone then masher should be as he has been way below par so far

[Fowler_E7]

Im sorry akuma you cant compare babel being dropped to lucas should be dropped as at least lucas has contributed to the team this season despite everyone denying as such where as babel contributed nothing this season so far and deserved to be dropped - lucas doesnt deserved to be dropped from performances this season - if anyone from the midfield should be on performances alone then masher should be as he has been way below par so far

My lord you couldnt make up the rubbish you post about Lucas! he dosnt deserve to be dropped? hes contributed something? actually your right on that point, he scored an own goal, and given away practically all the free kicks that we have conceded from. Lucas is the worst player in the first team by miles, he is the worst player on the pitch in about 75% of the matches ive seen him play in. He is terrible, has no confidence a complete pussy and contributes precisley zero to the team effort, an absolutely appaling player.

[GYBS]

Im sorry akuma you cant compare babel being dropped to lucas should be dropped as at least lucas has contributed to the team this season despite everyone denying as such where as babel contributed nothing this season so far and deserved to be dropped - lucas doesnt deserved to be dropped from performances this season - if anyone from the midfield should be on performances alone then masher should be as he has been way below par so far

My lord you couldnt make up the rubbish you post about Lucas! he dosnt deserve to be dropped? hes contributed something? actually your right on that point, he scored an own goal, and given away practically all the free kicks that we have conceded from. Lucas is the worst player in the first team by miles, he is the worst player on the pitch in about 75% of the matches ive seen him play in. He is terrible, has no confidence a complete pussy and contributes precisley zero to the team effort, an absolutely appaling player.

Then your totally blinded by your hatred and dislike of lucas and no matter what he did your opinion will be the same as you would ignore anything good he did or does for the team .

[GYBS]

What is also interesting is the same people who spent 12 months calling Kuyt sh.ite and not good enough for us are in the whole the same people who are doing the same with Lucas - Kuyt proved all those people wrong and by the end of the season i feel Lucas will prove them wrong again and the same dissenting voices with Lucas will die away just like they did with Kuyt

[heimdall]

Im sorry akuma you cant compare babel being dropped to lucas should be dropped as at least lucas has contributed to the team this season despite everyone denying as such where as babel contributed nothing this season so far and deserved to be dropped - lucas doesnt deserved to be dropped from performances this season - if anyone from the midfield should be on performances alone then masher should be as he has been way below par so far

My lord you couldnt make up the rubbish you post about Lucas! he dosnt deserve to be dropped? hes contributed something? actually your right on that point, he scored an own goal, and given away practically all the free kicks that we have conceded from. Lucas is the worst player in the first team by miles, he is the worst player on the pitch in about 75% of the matches ive seen him play in. He is terrible, has no confidence a complete pussy and contributes precisley zero to the team effort, an absolutely appaling player.

I agree with you but we are both wrong, we have been beaten in our arguments by a relentless onslaught. The facts are that Lucas is young so will get better, he hasn't played enough games so he will get better, he makes a 30 yard pass that nobody noticed, actual proof he's getting better. 

[Fowler_E7]

Im sorry akuma you cant compare babel being dropped to lucas should be dropped as at least lucas has contributed to the team this season despite everyone denying as such where as babel contributed nothing this season so far and deserved to be dropped - lucas doesnt deserved to be dropped from performances this season - if anyone from the midfield should be on performances alone then masher should be as he has been way below par so far

My lord you couldnt make up the rubbish you post about Lucas! he dosnt deserve to be dropped? hes contributed something? actually your right on that point, he scored an own goal, and given away practically all the free kicks that we have conceded from. Lucas is the worst player in the first team by miles, he is the worst player on the pitch in about 75% of the matches ive seen him play in. He is terrible, has no confidence a complete pussy and contributes precisley zero to the team effort, an absolutely appaling player.

Then your totally blinded by your hatred and dislike of lucas and no matter what he did your opinion will be the same as you would ignore anything good he did or does for the team .

I dont hate him, why would i? i dont know the guy personally. If he ever has a good run of form and he magically turns into a good player overnight ill say so, but thats never going to happen so i can rest easy. So i take it you think he is an acceptable replacement for Alonso then?

[Fowler_E7]

What is also interesting is the same people who spent 12 months calling Kuyt sh.ite and not good enough for us are in the whole the same people who are doing the same with Lucas - Kuyt proved all those people wrong and by the end of the season i feel Lucas will prove them wrong again and the same dissenting voices with Lucas will die away just like they did with Kuyt

Kuyt hasnt proved anything other than having a decent run of form, he can do a job, but is still no way near the required quality for a player in the Liverpool first eleven. If Benayoun played in his position for the same amount of games he would score the same amount of goals, and add a lot more to the team in every other area apart from workrate.

[GYBS]

Im sorry akuma you cant compare babel being dropped to lucas should be dropped as at least lucas has contributed to the team this season despite everyone denying as such where as babel contributed nothing this season so far and deserved to be dropped - lucas doesnt deserved to be dropped from performances this season - if anyone from the midfield should be on performances alone then masher should be as he has been way below par so far

My lord you couldnt make up the rubbish you post about Lucas! he dosnt deserve to be dropped? hes contributed something? actually your right on that point, he scored an own goal, and given away practically all the free kicks that we have conceded from. Lucas is the worst player in the first team by miles, he is the worst player on the pitch in about 75% of the matches ive seen him play in. He is terrible, has no confidence a complete pussy and contributes precisley zero to the team effort, an absolutely appaling player.

Then your totally blinded by your hatred and dislike of lucas and no matter what he did your opinion will be the same as you would ignore anything good he did or does for the team .

I dont hate him, why would i? i dont know the guy personally. If he ever has a good run of form and he magically turns into a good player overnight ill say so, but thats never going to happen so i can rest easy. So i take it you think he is an acceptable replacement for Alonso then?

When did i ever say he is a good enough replacement for Xabi ? there isnt many in the football world that is good enough to replace Xabi and we dont have the funds to buy those sort of players .

[Fowler_E7]

Im sorry akuma you cant compare babel being dropped to lucas should be dropped as at least lucas has contributed to the team this season despite everyone denying as such where as babel contributed nothing this season so far and deserved to be dropped - lucas doesnt deserved to be dropped from performances this season - if anyone from the midfield should be on performances alone then masher should be as he has been way below par so far

My lord you couldnt make up the rubbish you post about Lucas! he dosnt deserve to be dropped? hes contributed something? actually your right on that point, he scored an own goal, and given away practically all the free kicks that we have conceded from. Lucas is the worst player in the first team by miles, he is the worst player on the pitch in about 75% of the matches ive seen him play in. He is terrible, has no confidence a complete pussy and contributes precisley zero to the team effort, an absolutely appaling player.

Then your totally blinded by your hatred and dislike of lucas and no matter what he did your opinion will be the same as you would ignore anything good he did or does for the team .

I dont hate him, why would i? i dont know the guy personally. If he ever has a good run of form and he magically turns into a good player overnight ill say so, but thats never going to happen so i can rest easy. So i take it you think he is an acceptable replacement for Alonso then?

When did i ever say he is a good enough replacement for Xabi ? there isnt many in the football world that is good enough to replace Xabi and we dont have the funds to buy those sort of players .

you said he dosnt deserve to be dropped, and as he is playing in Alonso position and you think he is doing a good job then you must think he's a suitable replacement.

[GYBS]

He doesnt deserve to be dropped and i think he is perform ok presently and certainly better overall than his midfield partner- i dont think he is good enough as a replacement for xabi but then there isnt many out there so we have to play the best we have got .

[Fowler_E7]

He doesnt deserve to be dropped and i think he is perform ok presently and certainly better overall than his midfield partner- i dont think he is good enough as a replacement for xabi but then there isnt many out there so we have to play the best we have got .

so you think he dosnt deserve to be dropped but that he isnt good enough to replace Xabi? that makes sense. If i remember correctly we do have a half decent central midfield player in our squad, his last names Gerrard i think he's not bad, maybe not quite in Lucas class though.

[LFC2007]

Being a 'good enough replacement' is very different from replacing what Xabi brought to the team. Suffice to say, in the long-term we need something that comes quite close to what he brought to the side (Aquilini hopefully) or in the short-term as close as we can get (Gerrard dropping back), because unfortunately right now Lucas and Masch are some distance off in providing that ability. For me, I'd drop Lucas, but like some have said I don't think it's massively significant who's dropped at the present moment given Masch's form and the opposition we'll be up against.

And Bammo you didn't give an 'other's option in your poll 

[Fowler_E7]

For me, I'd drop Lucas, but like some have said I don't think it's massively significant who's dropped given Masch's form and the opposition we're up against.

it is IMO, if we drop Mascherano we lose his tackling and tenacity, he's been poor so far and im not his biggest fan either but at least he contributes something, Lucas is offering the team nothing and is a complete liability.

[GYBS]

Ok lets see if i can make it clearer for you

1. We sell Xabi

2. We buy Aqualini

3.He is injured

4. We have to play the next best available = Lucas

5. Gerrard isnt as good as Xabi in the Xabi role

6.Gerrard has formed an outstanding partnership with Torres that last season we broke up to play Keane

7.He went back to the partnership once Keane went and lo and behold both Gerrard and Torres started scoring goals for fun


So in summary we have no one in the squad as good as xabi in the role xabi did for us - what does that mean then - well we play the next best available to us without damaging the other areas of the team - ie Lucas in their until Aqualini is fit to take his place or do we just play with 10 as we dont have anyone as good as Xabi in that role . 25 odd games Lucas played for us last season and how many did we loose ? NONE how many did we win - all bar two the others being draws - and some of those games where against the best team in the world ( when Xabi wasnt playing as well) so how the hell did we manage to not loose when lucas played so many games for us when he is so poor ?? how did we manage to win so many games with Lucas playing when he is so poor ?