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[only me]

Kenny bought Carrol not with last season in mind but for THIS season ,he bought him after Torres pressured the club with his last minute getaway and he bought him in the middle of the season as he just received a broken team from Roy.

Haha so we really needed a striker that we knew would be out for most of the season because we lost torres? The season was already lost and yes we would have been fine without carrol for the 7 games he managed to play at the end of last season.

Because the season was lost ,And you already had Suarez and Ngog then signing Carrol ,just to secure him for this season was pretty reasonable for me. (Again not talking price tag and current performance).

[devaney]

Kenny bought Carrol not with last season in mind but for THIS season ,he bought him after Torres pressured the club with his last minute getaway and he bought him in the middle of the season as he just received a broken team from Roy.

Haha so we really needed a striker that we knew would be out for most of the season because we lost torres? The season was already lost and yes we would have been fine without carrol for the 7 games he managed to play at the end of last season.

Can't believe some of this utter cr.ap !! The season was far from over.At one stage we were close to challenging for a CL spot!

[only me]

Was Rafa decision to spend the bulk amount of his money on an Injured player Reasonable??? In my book never in a million years. He gambled LFC season away which for me is criminal and deserved immidiate sacking.

Kenny just paid twice that amount for a completely untested and injured player (Carroll), and he didnt have to deal with the two . It seems you have double standards. Its not ok for Rafa to sign an injured player, but when kenny spends almost twice that amount on a player that will be out for a similar amount of time it its reasonable.

Was Kenny decision to sign Downing/Hendo/Adam/Carrol based their track record in the moment of signature ,Reasonable??? In my opinion Yes it was.

Can you spot the difference? Of course Kenny's signing are currently a hugh failure ,but at the time did he make a reasonable decision ,I think Yes. Rafa thought he is so brillient he could micro manage a team without bringing quality players and when he did he brought an injured one ,his Ego led him to think he is bigger then LFC and that was his ruin.

If Kenny didnt have the history he has with the club you would not have said that.

Sorry mate it is a totally different Scenario. Let me try and explain.

Kenny bought Carrol not with last season in mind but for THIS season ,he bought him after Torres pressured the club with his last minute getaway and he bought him in the middle of the season as he just received a broken team from Roy.

Rafa bought an injured player ,as a calculated risk and gamble BEFORE the season started ,he KNOW Aqua couldn't play for month and he know he had no one to hold the midfield (Except Lucas which was pretty owfull). Rafa built our whole season on the toss of a dice that we would be able to hold the fort till a healthy succesfull Aqua returns.

Kenny didn't know Carrol would stink the place ,he didn't know Adam nor Hendo nor Downing would be too shell shocked to perform as they did in the past ,and that is why i thought Rafa action were unreasonable and criminal while Kenny's were reasonable even if not succesfull.

I Still think Kenny fails in other aspects of a football manager ,in tactics ,in game managment ,in overall approach ,but this discussion is more over player picking and signing.

But Kenny did know that Carroll is masively suited to al ong ball game, a style of football that Liverpool tries not to play.

I'm not having a go at Kenny, the guy is God, but if any other manager had spent the money he had on the players he has and we were playing the way that we are, hed be gone.

It ALMOST looks like Kenny has told the team to play sh!t until Suarez comes bac

Can't say i understand exactly what goes inside Kenny's mind. god knows sometime i have no idea what he is doing ,but as to Carrol i think when he bought Downing and Adam he thought they would be providing a much better service to our attackers and Carrol would compliment Suarez on high balls and power. As of today no one ,other then Gerrard ,is capable of providing a decent ball into the box ,Carrol is redundant.

[NorfolkRed]

Like many i was scratching my head when the team announcement came through. I had a 14 hour round trip to the game yesterday and took Kenny's book with me for something to read. In it he talks a couple of times about playing three at the back when dealing with strong aerial attacks. Far from being change for change sake this was Kenny using a tried and trusted tactic. Defensively it was fine but going forward left a lot to be desired mainly the lack of movement and the failure of midfielders to make runs into the box.

[Kerry07]

I would like to know what part Comolli is actually playing in our revival when to this point we have pretty much recruited from within the Premier league.

I was under the impression he was brought in to find these young lads from world football, some real bargains for us, but hes done nothing of the sort.

You see players like the boys Newcastle got in from French football which is supposed to be Comollis hunting ground but we missed them.

If hes going to present us with Downings and Hendersons then take him off the payroll because anyone can pick up those lads if you want to chuck big money at it.

I would get rid of him now. No way is Kenny happy to have him here (hes saying nowt as its the owners appointment, and Kenny aint going to upset them). Kenny aint in a position of power to start dictating (as say Ferguson or Wenger can).

This director job is nonsense. Mourinho got rid of Valdano at Madrid (to achieve that was incredible). Its the manager's call who to sign and how the team should be run, not some jobsworth.


If we must have a director (the owners appointed one as their knowledge of the game is non-existant) then have him permanently based in Spain, scouring all the best young players in a league where possessing a high level of technical ability is a necessity.

[dawson99]

If we must have a director (the owners appointed one as their knowledge of the game is non-existant) then have him permanently based in Spain, scouring all the best young players in a league where possessing a high level of technical ability is a necessity.

What is the point if we have a system in place where we only want to buy British as a rule?

[teamleader1]

Like many i was scratching my head when the team announcement came through. I had a 14 hour round trip to the game yesterday and took Kenny's book with me for something to read. In it he talks a couple of times about playing three at the back when dealing with strong aerial attacks. Far from being change for change sake this was Kenny using a tried and trusted tactic. Defensively it was fine but going forward left a lot to be desired mainly the lack of movement and the failure of midfielders to make runs into the box.

It was soon obvious to everyone in the ground that the system (or lack of one) was going nowhere
What was wrong with leaving the same back 4 that had done so well of late?
If Agger was injured why not just bring Coates or Jamie in?
Adam should have been benched with SG in the centre,  Young Henderson playing deep, Maxi and Downing out wide with Bellers and Carroll up front.
Kenny got it so wrong to begin with then just lost the plot from there.
Has to be said that it was more home pts thrown away through negative tactics

[Benny The Noon]

If we must have a director (the owners appointed one as their knowledge of the game is non-existant) then have him permanently based in Spain, scouring all the best young players in a league where possessing a high level of technical ability is a necessity.

What is the point if we have a system in place where we only want to buy British as a rule?

Doni - Italy
Coates - Uruguay
Suarez - Uruguay
Enrique - Spain

Adam - Scotland
Downing - England
Carroll - England
Henderson - England

So that's half our signings that have been foreign .

That's about right when we consider home grown rules and the amount of English players we have to have to the squad .

[Greavesie]

Doni's Brazilian but I'll let you off on that one Benny

The line up was a bit strange and as soon as I saw it I went back to sleep expecting 0:0 at full time. We've definitely progressed since Roy and anyone who even suggests otherwise is blind. The circumstances which Kenny took over compared to Rafa are completely different as well, I don't even undrstand why his name is being mentioned anyway, its over, let it go.

We're killing for Suarez back. I have no idea why he opted for Kuyt unless Kenny is just trying to keep everyone in the camp happy and giving them all game time, if thats the case he needs to take out that sentimental side and choose choose his best 11. Its gonna take time. Once you slip out of the CL places its bloody difficult to get back into them.

I'm not losing patience with Kenny, its a long term affair and choopping and changing isnt going to help us but I fear CL footy will be at Stamford Bridge next season

[Benny The Noon]

Of course he is - good spot mate

I'm amazed if someone says we haven't progressed under Kenny .

This season was always going to be a building season with the team going through a transition and learning stage . We got new owners and a new manager and it's going to take time for it all to settle , for players to settled down , for younger players to develop . It is definatley a time for paitence for a Liverpool fan .

[mart]

We've definitely progressed since Roy and anyone who even suggests otherwise is blind. The circumstances which Kenny took over compared to Rafa are completely different as well, I don't even undrstand why his name is being mentioned anyway, its over, let it go.

Ofcourse we have progressed compared to Roy. It was almost impossible not to. The question is if we have progressed compared to how we played at the end of last season. Kenny certainly cant say he has not been backed by the owners, when you look at the amount of money made available to him.

[teamleader1]

I dont think anyone really thinks we haven't progressed under Kenny, and I for one wouldn't change him.
BUT that doesn't mean its ok to virtually throw pts away by experimenting at such a crucial time of the season.
Its vital on so many fronts that we get a top 4 finish this season
We are basically stepping aside for the other contenders to go by us
Best 11 every game and stick to a system.

[devaney]

Dawson99 you say it ALMOST looks like Kenny has told the team to play sh!t until Suarez comes back

I can appreciate the frustration but let's at least keep it real!

Suarez including his finger to Fulham was banned for a total of 9 mathes - so far he has missed 5 games and just for the record we have Won 3 Drawn 1 Lost 1 and the match we lost was away to City. I think we have done very without him considering just what what we have available up front.

[Dundalk]

After 21 games we are 7th in the league.

Behind Newcastle.

[Benny The Noon]

It's ok - prizes aren't given out after 21 games .